[Vtigercrm-developers] Fwd: Re: vtigercrm-developers Digest, Vol 100, Issue 122
Vic Cekvenich
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Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigercrm-developers Digest, Vol
100, Issue 122
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:27:31 +0200
From: Pabiszczak, Błażej <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
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Please check your license file (License_linux.txt): points:
* MagpieRSS
* phpSysinfo
* Mailfeed
* NOCC scripts
&
* libraries\tcpdf\fonts\freefont\README
* Hu lang in ckeditor
Z poważaniem / Regards
Błażej Pabiszczak
M: +48.884999123
E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
2014-05-22 11:37 GMT+02:00
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Licensing issues with GPL (was sharing realworld test)
(Prasad)
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:07:01 +0530
From: Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com <mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] Licensing issues with GPL (was
sharing realworld test)
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Please update - http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8068
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On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
<mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>> wrote:
> If GPL owner doesn't grant liberty over license - we have less
option than
> to drop it.
> I assume your lang-pack is less restrictive - please clarify.
>
> We will move to less-restrictive libraries and then be more selective
> with integration + licensing.
>
> Regards,
> Prasad
>
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>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1.
>>
http://trac.vtiger.com/svn/vtiger/vtigercrm/branches/6.1.0/libraries/magpierss/rss_cache.inc
(and
>> releated files)
>> 2. FreeFont use GPL
>> 3. Our Lang Pack have GPL.
>> 4. etc.
>>
>> Z powa?aniem / Regards
>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>> M: +48.884999123
>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>>
>>
>> 2014-05-22 10:37 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com
<mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>:
>>
>>> Prasad is correct. TCPDF is LGPL and, thus, it is not in
conflict. In
>>> that case I would say that the only GPL library present is
AjaxLoader
>>> (qqUploader) in MailManager. So it should be rather easy to get
rid of that
>>> dependency.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/05/14 10:26, Joe Bordes wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, vtiger already uses other libraries, and they SHOULD get
rid of
>>> them, it is incorrect. The thing is that unless you hit onto
something like
>>> facebook, nobody comes asking. If/When vtiger hits onto a gold
mine,
>>> somebody will call a lawyer, in the mean time, you just keep
trying to make
>>> a living...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/05/14 10:19, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej wrote:
>>>
>>> We create 4 module (OSS Mail) and only first module have GPL
license,
>>> other tools dont use roudcube (other licenses). Vtiger use many
libraries
>>> like TCPDF on GNU licenses.
>>>
>>>
>>> Z powa?aniem / Regards
>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>>> M: +48.884999123
>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-05-22 9:59 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com
<mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>:
>>>
>>>> Correct. In fact you would see yourself forced to change the
license
>>>> on the whole product and make it GPL. In fact that is what may
be happening
>>>> to your own integrated roundcube extension....
>>>>
>>>> Another option would be that vtiger changed the license to
support dual
>>>> licensing, then, with a LOT of care and conditions, you could
have both
>>>> together. It is a REALLY tricky thing and I think vtiger does
correctly in
>>>> staying away from the problems, albeit the inconveniences....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22/05/14 09:24, Matteo Baranzoni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think GPL it's not compatible with VPL....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-05-22 9:18 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak, B?a?ej
<b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> And what is the problem?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Z powa?aniem / Regards
>>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-05-22 4:42 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
<mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RoundCube is under GPL License which is strict to grow
OpenSource.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Prasad
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> *I *Forums <https://discussions.vtiger.com>*I*
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
>>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Poorly you did, that you wrote your own email client. Why
did not
>>>>>>> you use roundcube?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Z powa?aniem / Regards
>>>>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-05-21 6:20 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
<mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B?a?ej,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Contributions welcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Connect with us on: *Twitter
<http://twitter.com/vtigercrm> *I*
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> *I* Blog <https://blogs.vtiger.com/>* I*
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>>>>>>>> *I *Forums <https://discussions.vtiger.com>*I*
Website<https://www.vtiger.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
>>>>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
<mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you do not use the mail module, so
you do not
>>>>>>>>> know how it works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Z powa?aniem / Regards
>>>>>>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>>>>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>>>>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-20 16:12 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
<mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bastiaan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for sharing the feedback - its always
different to
>>>>>>>>>> think like customer than developer.
>>>>>>>>>> UX plays a vital role and one of the key reasons why
Vtiger 6
>>>>>>>>>> Platform was built for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We will continue to improve usability.
>>>>>>>>>>
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<http://twitter.com/vtigercrm> *I*
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> *I* Blog <https://blogs.vtiger.com/>* I*
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>>>>>>>>>> *I *Forums <https://discussions.vtiger.com>*I*
Website<https://www.vtiger.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Zebra Hosting <
>>>>>>>>>> support at zebrahosting.eu
<mailto:support at zebrahosting.eu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just sharing a little test I did with secretary who
is doing
>>>>>>>>>>> some customer contact and never worked with a CRM.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I asked her to open the mail manager and answer emails
like
>>>>>>>>>>> she normally does. (IMAP connected)
>>>>>>>>>>> First thing she tried was open en email and looking
for ways to
>>>>>>>>>>> move it to a folder (not possible in open mail)
>>>>>>>>>>> Then closed the mail, tried to drag it over to a folder
(drag
>>>>>>>>>>> and drop not supported)
>>>>>>>>>>> Then saw that she first have to click the checkbox,
open a drop
>>>>>>>>>>> down and select a folder.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3 steps and she gave up and went back to her mail client.
>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn?t work when you do hundreds of mails a day.
>>>>>>>>>>> People get used to modern GUI?s with HTML5, might be
time to
>>>>>>>>>>> think about if for the next version.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So yes, it is sometimes good, not to think like a
developer
>>>>>>>>>>> but just see normal user working to learn about your GUI?..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bastiaan Houtkooper
>>>>>>>>>>> Zebra Hosting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Un saludo
>>> Joe
>>> TSolucio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
_______________________________________________http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Un saludo
>>> Joe
>>> TSolucio
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
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