[Vtigercrm-developers] Fwd: Re: vtigercrm-developers Digest, Vol 100, Issue 122

Vic Cekvenich vic.cvc at gmx.com
Sun Aug 17 17:54:40 GMT 2014



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Subject: 	Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigercrm-developers Digest, Vol 
100, Issue 122
Date: 	Fri, 23 May 2014 07:49:44 +0530
From: 	Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>
Reply-To: 	vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
To: 	vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com 
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sure  - updated http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8068

thanks,
Prasad

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On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Pabiszczak, Błażej 
<b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>> wrote:

    Please check your license file (License_linux.txt): points:

      * MagpieRSS
      * phpSysinfo
      * Mailfeed
      * NOCC scripts

    &

      * libraries\tcpdf\fonts\freefont\README
      * Hu lang in ckeditor

    Z poważaniem / Regards
    Błażej Pabiszczak
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    E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>


    2014-05-22 11:37 GMT+02:00
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        Today's Topics:

            1. Re: Licensing issues with GPL (was sharing realworld test)
               (Prasad)


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        Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:07:01 +0530
        From: Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com <mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>
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        Please update - http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8068

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        On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
        <mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>> wrote:

         > If GPL owner doesn't grant liberty over license - we have
        less option than
         > to drop it.
         > I assume your lang-pack is less restrictive - please clarify.
         >
         > We will move to less-restrictive libraries and then be more
        selective
         > with integration + licensing.
         >
         > Regards,
         > Prasad
         >
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         >
         > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
         > b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
        wrote:
         >
         >>
         >>    1.
         >>
        http://trac.vtiger.com/svn/vtiger/vtigercrm/branches/6.1.0/libraries/magpierss/rss_cache.inc
        (and
         >>    releated files)
         >>    2. FreeFont use GPL
         >>    3. Our Lang Pack have GPL.
         >>    4. etc.
         >>
         >> Z powa?aniem / Regards
         >> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
         >> M: +48.884999123
         >> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
         >>
         >>
         >> 2014-05-22 10:37 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com
        <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>:
         >>
         >>>  Prasad is correct. TCPDF is LGPL and, thus, it is not in
        conflict. In
         >>> that case I would say that the only GPL library present is
        AjaxLoader
         >>> (qqUploader) in MailManager. So it should be rather easy to
        get rid of that
         >>> dependency.
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> On 22/05/14 10:26, Joe Bordes wrote:
         >>>
         >>> Yes, vtiger already uses other libraries, and they SHOULD
        get rid of
         >>> them, it is incorrect. The thing is that unless you hit
        onto something like
         >>> facebook, nobody comes asking. If/When vtiger hits onto a
        gold mine,
         >>> somebody will call a lawyer, in the mean time, you just
        keep trying to make
         >>> a living...
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> On 22/05/14 10:19, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej wrote:
         >>>
         >>> We create 4 module (OSS Mail) and only first module have
        GPL license,
         >>> other tools dont use roudcube (other licenses). Vtiger use
        many libraries
         >>> like TCPDF on GNU licenses.
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
         >>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
         >>> M: +48.884999123
         >>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> 2014-05-22 9:59 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com
        <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>:
         >>>
         >>>>  Correct. In fact you would see yourself forced to change
        the license
         >>>> on the whole product and make it GPL. In fact that is what
        may be happening
         >>>> to your own integrated roundcube extension....
         >>>>
         >>>> Another option would be that vtiger changed the license to
        support dual
         >>>> licensing, then, with a LOT of care and conditions, you
        could have both
         >>>> together. It is a REALLY tricky thing and I think vtiger
        does correctly in
         >>>> staying away from the problems, albeit the inconveniences....
         >>>>
         >>>>
         >>>> On 22/05/14 09:24, Matteo Baranzoni wrote:
         >>>>
         >>>> I think GPL it's not compatible with VPL....
         >>>>
         >>>>
         >>>> 2014-05-22 9:18 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak, B?a?ej
        <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
         >>>> :
         >>>>
         >>>>> And what is the problem?
         >>>>>
         >>>>>
         >>>>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
         >>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
         >>>>> M: +48.884999123
         >>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
         >>>>>
         >>>>>
         >>>>>  2014-05-22 4:42 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
        <mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>:
         >>>>>
         >>>>>>  RoundCube is under GPL License which is strict to grow
        OpenSource.
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>  Regards,
         >>>>>> Prasad
         >>>>>>
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         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
         >>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
        <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>> wrote:
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>> Poorly you did, that you wrote your own email client.
        Why did not
         >>>>>>> you use roundcube?
         >>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
         >>>>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
         >>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
         >>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
        <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
         >>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>  2014-05-21 6:20 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
        <mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>:
         >>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>  B?a?ej,
         >>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>  Contributions welcome.
         >>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>> *Connect with us on: *Twitter
        <http://twitter.com/vtigercrm> *I*
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         >>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
         >>>>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
        <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>> wrote:
         >>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>> The problem is that you do not use the mail module,
        so you do not
         >>>>>>>>> know how it works.
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
         >>>>>>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
         >>>>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
         >>>>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
        <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>> 2014-05-20 16:12 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com
        <mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>>:
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>  Bastiaan,
         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>  Thank you for sharing the feedback - its always
        different to
         >>>>>>>>>> think like customer than developer.
         >>>>>>>>>>  UX plays a vital role and one of the key reasons
        why Vtiger 6
         >>>>>>>>>> Platform was built for.
         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>  We will continue to improve usability.
         >>>>>>>>>>
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        <http://twitter.com/vtigercrm> *I*
         >>>>>>>>>>
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         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Zebra Hosting <
         >>>>>>>>>> support at zebrahosting.eu
        <mailto:support at zebrahosting.eu>> wrote:
         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>>  Just sharing a little test I did with  secretary
        who is doing
         >>>>>>>>>>> some customer contact and never worked with a CRM.
         >>>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>>  I asked her to open the mail manager and answer
        emails like
         >>>>>>>>>>> she normally does. (IMAP connected)
         >>>>>>>>>>> First thing she tried was open en email and
          looking for ways to
         >>>>>>>>>>> move it to a folder (not possible in open mail)
         >>>>>>>>>>> Then closed the mail, tried to drag it over to a
        folder (drag
         >>>>>>>>>>> and drop not supported)
         >>>>>>>>>>> Then saw that she first have to click the checkbox,
        open a drop
         >>>>>>>>>>> down and select a folder.
         >>>>>>>>>>> 3 steps and she gave up and went back to her mail
        client.
         >>>>>>>>>>> Doesn?t work when you do hundreds of mails a day.
         >>>>>>>>>>> People get used to modern GUI?s with HTML5, might
        be time to
         >>>>>>>>>>> think about if for the next version.
         >>>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>>  So yes, it is sometimes good, not to think like a
        developer
         >>>>>>>>>>> but just see normal user working to learn about
        your GUI?..
         >>>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>>  Bastiaan Houtkooper
         >>>>>>>>>>>  Zebra Hosting
         >>>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
         >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vtiger.com/
         >>>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
         >>>>>>>>>> http://www.vtiger.com/
         >>>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>>>>>>>>
         >>> --
         >>> Un saludo
         >>> Joe
         >>> TSolucio
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
        _______________________________________________http://www.vtiger.com/
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> --
         >>> Un saludo
         >>> Joe
         >>> TSolucio
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> _______________________________________________
         >>> http://www.vtiger.com/
         >>>
         >>
         >>
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