[Vtigercrm-developers] Fwd: Re: Cooperation - part 2
Vic Cekvenich
vic.cvc at gmx.com
Sun Aug 17 22:05:17 GMT 2014
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Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] Cooperation - part 2
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:44:01 +0530
From: Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com>
Reply-To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
<vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com>
@Marco, @Matteo, Thanks for the comments
/Stability, Clear Full Api, Security, Easy customization are the
primary needs of the dev community,/
That is a good high level list. I added Performance and Distribution to
it. Much work has gone into these already, and more work is ahead of us.
We hope you will see 6.1 score higher on all these areas.
Stability - We are in a better position now than 6 months ago
with expanded test suite, some of which is automated.
API - 6.1 includes API improvements (ex: Get related
Entities <http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8167#ticket>,
Label in vtws_retrieve
<http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8168#ticket>)
Performance - 6.1 has many performance improvements (ex: Alan's
suggestion on to_html
<http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8169#ticket>)
Security - We are deploying fixes for the critical issues
through security patches.
Customization - Ex: 6.1 has easy theme selection from Menu bar,
Distribution - Listing and 1 click installation of verified
extensions through extension store inside CRM
/Create a working group does not mean "steal" your leadership but
join forces, currently many resources available in the community are
lost because vtiger guys does not have time to follow./
/
/
/For example: Italian translation, it's completed in trac (created
by my team and Simone Travaglini) but Vt6.1 still has a translation
done with google translator. Why should I pay employees in order to
continue (or expand) our contribute to Vtiger? /
It is clear that having more hands can reduce any misses like this.
Also, moving to github/gitlab setup could reduce friction in taking
contributions. I couldn't find more about the role the community council
plays on Zimbra / OwnCloud. If you have any links, please share here.
thanks,
Sreenivas
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Marco Roello <marco.roello at gmail.com
<mailto:marco.roello at gmail.com>> wrote:
My feeling is that VT Team is trying to improve the product, but
with a wrong perspective. VT On demand has been a good strategy, and
allows the team to add features and resolve bugs quickly. The idea
of a marketplace is indeed good. The problem is: community
developers have a strong set of tools to build modules for the
store? How much VT is customizable? How many old bugs are still
unresolved? 6.0 version has too many small 'black holes', and 6.1
release should focus on the resolution of them. My opinion is that
the release cycle of the product is too slow because VT developers
use a top-down strategy, keeping the community in the margin, and
generating hundres of micro-forks, loosing hundred of opportunities
for the Vtiger product to grow.
Stability, Clear Full Api, Security, Easy customization are the
primary needs of the dev community, then the marketplace will take off!!
VTiger is a great product and could be even better... Thanks for
your efforts, VTeam
Il 01/ago/2014 16:09 "Matteo Baranzoni" <info at greenbitweb.com
<mailto:info at greenbitweb.com>> ha scritto:
@Sreenivas Owncloud inc, Zimbra inc, Zentyal S.L.
are commercial company that work with community using a
community council.
Create a working group does not mean "steal" your leadership but
join forces, currently many resources available in the community
are lost because vtiger guys does not have time to follow.
For example: Italian translation, it's completed in trac
(created by my team and Simone Travaglini) but Vt6.1 still has a
translation done with google translator. Why should I pay
employees in order to continue (or expand) our contribute to
Vtiger?
2014-08-01 15:35 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com
<mailto:svk at vtiger.com>>:
@Matteo,
/why not create a governance such as other open source
projects (like owncloud, libreoffice)? A community
council with vtiger guys, opensaas, its4you, Alan, Joe
that plan future of vtiger and keep up to date the
code, accept proposals, check submitted code etc.
Possibly moving on github and using the powerful tools
provided by this platform!/
Vtiger is a commercial company. Vtiger Open source edition
is instrumental for our success. We always believed that
there is money to be made by providing affordable (even
free) software to businesses. Since our business depends on
it, it is important for us to be able to chart the course of
the open source product. At the same time, there might be
better ways to collaborate than what we are doing today
(mostly via this list). We plan to move from SVN to
github/gitlab later this year. (trac issues migration is
one of the tasks we want to complete).
@Mutuku,
Thanks for sharing your comments.
A few years ago (when the motto was "The only truly open
source CRM" ), I tried forming a business around
implementing CRM solutions for clients.
Different markets require specific customizations. I
would suggest having a "core" crm engine and let the
community build modules around it, given different
business scenarios
Vtiger Open Source has enabled many such vertical solutions.
Joe's CoreBOS Law and Medical editions are recent examples.
Joe is able to release them with a proprietary license
because Vtiger's MPL based open source license is truly
open. (GPL license would have forced Joe to release them
under GPL)
Regards,
Sreenivas
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Mutuku Ndeti
<jnmutuku at gmail.com <mailto:jnmutuku at gmail.com>> wrote:
Let me start by saying thank you for the work done with
vtiger
I would like to add my voice here too. A few years ago
(when the motto was "The only truly open source CRM" ),
I tried forming a business around implementing CRM
solutions for clients.
My first implementation, with some customization (5.0)
wowed the client (who had been using excel sheets and
had failed in trying out customizing sugarcrm).
After that it was a uphill task due to lack of
documentation / community support / Road Map. I was not
confident about direction / documentation, so I gave
up, changed the business and started implementing drupal
solution (more open active community). I even
implemented basic crm using it. I like the drupal model
(they have the commercial Acquia and the very open
source drupal). There is a lot of documentation and
freedom. I don't mind donating to the community because
my business is fully founded on drupal solutions.
That said, I keep coming back and testing vtiger because
I see a local market for custom CRMs. What I find every
time is that Vtiger is becoming more closed that open.
To cut the long story short :-
1. I think there should be a clear road map (so that
users / integrators are not left in the dark). With
every "curveball", Vtiger looses users / a market
2. I think Vtiger should adopt a fully open source model
(with some form of governance). I really like the drupal
model (where there is a "core" and users build modules
around it. From time to time, the governance decides
what should be included in core) You can an have a
commercial offshoot (We all need to pay the bills)
3. Different markets require specific customizations. I
would suggest having a "core" crm engine and let the
community build modules around it, given different
business scenarios
thanks
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:40 PM, SIAM Translations
<info at siam-translations.com
<mailto:info at siam-translations.com>> wrote:
Let's see response :-)
Andy
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Matteo Baranzoni
<info at greenbitweb.com <mailto:info at greenbitweb.com>>
wrote:
why not create a governance such as other open
source projects (like owncloud, libreoffice)?
A community council with vtiger guys, opensaas,
its4you, Alan, Joe that plan future of vtiger
and keep up to date the code, accept proposals,
check submitted code etc. Possibly moving on
github and using the powerful tools provided by
this platform!
2014-07-30 17:29 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru
<svk at vtiger.com <mailto:svk at vtiger.com>>:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Blazej. I
do understand your time is precious and
appreciate you taking the time to provide it
here.
Your points A-G refer to our decision to
remove the 'install from file' option and to
add the feature to encrypt the extension
file. We did it for the following reasons
1. Removing 'Install from File' option - to
protect users
2. Encrypt the Extension - to empower
developers (as Matus noted, some
developers might want it)
Certain assumptions we made were not on the
mark. We shared the preview here in the
developers list to ensure we get it right.
We are taking feedback and making corrections.
1. Add 'Install from File' option - done
2. Allow Free extensions installation
without loader - pending to be done shortly
*2 + 20 developers*
While we have 2 dedicated resources for
trac, we have 20+ other developers
contributing to improvements to the product
(list view search is an example that was
deployed to 6.1 branch recently, many more
improvements are integrated into 6.1)
*2 Business Days*
*
*
/If you don’t believe, I can send you
modules, and you can try to publish them
in two days./
*
*
I mentioned that "we will respond to new
submissions in 2 business days.". I meant
that we will review and approve or reply to
the developer. So, you are right for complex
modules we might need more time to review.
But, our goal is to respond with our
findings within 2 business days.
*Encouraging Developers*
/You have done everything you could to
discourage us from continuing our
dialogue and from your product./
I am sorry you see it that way, but our
efforts are to only make Vtiger open source
more stronger and to empower developers.
I welcome your feedback. Though critical, I
know it is coming from a well intended mind.
Regards,
Sreenivas
*
*
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Maik
Standtke <maikst at gmail.com
<mailto:maikst at gmail.com>> wrote:
2014-07-30 15:45 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak,
Błażej <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
<mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>:
Summary
You have done everything you could
to discourage us from continuing our
dialogue and from your product.
+1
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