[Vtigercrm-developers] Fwd: Re: Cooperation - part 2
Vic Cekvenich
vic.cvc at gmx.com
Sun Aug 17 22:05:04 GMT 2014
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Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] Cooperation - part 2
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:06:12 +0200
From: Matteo Baranzoni <info at greenbitweb.com>
Reply-To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
@Sreenivas Owncloud inc, Zimbra inc, Zentyal S.L.
are commercial company that work with community using a community council.
Create a working group does not mean "steal" your leadership but join
forces, currently many resources available in the community are lost
because vtiger guys does not have time to follow.
For example: Italian translation, it's completed in trac (created by my
team and Simone Travaglini) but Vt6.1 still has a translation done with
google translator. Why should I pay employees in order to continue (or
expand) our contribute to Vtiger?
2014-08-01 15:35 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com
<mailto:svk at vtiger.com>>:
@Matteo,
/why not create a governance such as other open source projects
(like owncloud, libreoffice)? A community council with vtiger
guys, opensaas, its4you, Alan, Joe that plan future of vtiger
and keep up to date the code, accept proposals, check submitted
code etc. Possibly moving on github and using the powerful tools
provided by this platform!/
Vtiger is a commercial company. Vtiger Open source edition is
instrumental for our success. We always believed that there is money
to be made by providing affordable (even free) software to
businesses. Since our business depends on it, it is important for us
to be able to chart the course of the open source product. At the
same time, there might be better ways to collaborate than what we
are doing today (mostly via this list). We plan to move from SVN to
github/gitlab later this year. (trac issues migration is one of the
tasks we want to complete).
@Mutuku,
Thanks for sharing your comments.
A few years ago (when the motto was "The only truly open source
CRM" ), I tried forming a business around implementing CRM
solutions for clients.
Different markets require specific customizations. I would
suggest having a "core" crm engine and let the community build
modules around it, given different business scenarios
Vtiger Open Source has enabled many such vertical solutions. Joe's
CoreBOS Law and Medical editions are recent examples. Joe is able to
release them with a proprietary license because Vtiger's MPL based
open source license is truly open. (GPL license would have forced
Joe to release them under GPL)
Regards,
Sreenivas
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Mutuku Ndeti <jnmutuku at gmail.com
<mailto:jnmutuku at gmail.com>> wrote:
Let me start by saying thank you for the work done with vtiger
I would like to add my voice here too. A few years ago (when the
motto was "The only truly open source CRM" ), I tried forming a
business around implementing CRM solutions for clients.
My first implementation, with some customization (5.0) wowed the
client (who had been using excel sheets and had failed in trying
out customizing sugarcrm).
After that it was a uphill task due to lack of documentation /
community support / Road Map. I was not confident about
direction / documentation, so I gave up, changed the business
and started implementing drupal solution (more open active
community). I even implemented basic crm using it. I like the
drupal model (they have the commercial Acquia and the very open
source drupal). There is a lot of documentation and freedom. I
don't mind donating to the community because my business is
fully founded on drupal solutions.
That said, I keep coming back and testing vtiger because I see a
local market for custom CRMs. What I find every time is that
Vtiger is becoming more closed that open.
To cut the long story short :-
1. I think there should be a clear road map (so that users /
integrators are not left in the dark). With every "curveball",
Vtiger looses users / a market
2. I think Vtiger should adopt a fully open source model (with
some form of governance). I really like the drupal model (where
there is a "core" and users build modules around it. From time
to time, the governance decides what should be included in
core) You can an have a commercial offshoot (We all need to pay
the bills)
3. Different markets require specific customizations. I would
suggest having a "core" crm engine and let the community build
modules around it, given different business scenarios
thanks
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:40 PM, SIAM Translations
<info at siam-translations.com <mailto:info at siam-translations.com>>
wrote:
Let's see response :-)
Andy
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Matteo Baranzoni
<info at greenbitweb.com <mailto:info at greenbitweb.com>> wrote:
why not create a governance such as other open source
projects (like owncloud, libreoffice)?
A community council with vtiger guys, opensaas, its4you,
Alan, Joe that plan future of vtiger and keep up to date
the code, accept proposals, check submitted code etc.
Possibly moving on github and using the powerful tools
provided by this platform!
2014-07-30 17:29 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru
<svk at vtiger.com <mailto:svk at vtiger.com>>:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Blazej. I do
understand your time is precious and appreciate you
taking the time to provide it here.
Your points A-G refer to our decision to remove the
'install from file' option and to add the feature to
encrypt the extension file. We did it for the
following reasons
1. Removing 'Install from File' option - to protect
users
2. Encrypt the Extension - to empower developers
(as Matus noted, some developers might want it)
Certain assumptions we made were not on the mark. We
shared the preview here in the developers list to
ensure we get it right. We are taking feedback and
making corrections.
1. Add 'Install from File' option - done
2. Allow Free extensions installation without
loader - pending to be done shortly
*2 + 20 developers*
While we have 2 dedicated resources for trac, we
have 20+ other developers contributing to
improvements to the product (list view search is an
example that was deployed to 6.1 branch recently,
many more improvements are integrated into 6.1)
*2 Business Days*
*
*
/If you don’t believe, I can send you modules,
and you can try to publish them in two days./
*
*
I mentioned that "we will respond to new submissions
in 2 business days.". I meant that we will review
and approve or reply to the developer. So, you are
right for complex modules we might need more time to
review. But, our goal is to respond with our
findings within 2 business days.
*Encouraging Developers*
/You have done everything you could to
discourage us from continuing our dialogue and
from your product./
I am sorry you see it that way, but our efforts are
to only make Vtiger open source more stronger and to
empower developers.
I welcome your feedback. Though critical, I know it
is coming from a well intended mind.
Regards,
Sreenivas
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Maik Standtke
<maikst at gmail.com <mailto:maikst at gmail.com>> wrote:
2014-07-30 15:45 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak, Błażej
<b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
<mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>:
Summary
You have done everything you could to
discourage us from continuing our dialogue
and from your product.
+1
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