[Vtigercrm-developers] Email marketing scenario

Thu Jul 7 11:23:36 GMT 2016

I've already said it many times but will repeat that again - basic
functionalities should be a part of the engine. What "vtexperts' do
kills the project. Vtiger also publishes defective functionalities
although they have them ready in On Demand and it will also kill the
project from the time perspective. As far as I remember, this topic was
already mentioned by Joe or Alan when they talked about the global
search and said that every feature can be for a payment. Obviously, in a
short-term perspective, both Vtiger and the authors of add-ons will earn
some money... but at what cost? 

For me Vtiger as a clean system isn't enough to use in any company, it's
unfinished, faulty, and crippled. The way search, calendar, or mail work
by default, makes me question whether it still is open source, or is it
a place to make money on the end users. If this is what Vtiger is aiming
at then it's wonderful news for us! Over 60 commercial modules from
https://marketplace.vtiger.com/app/listings are included in our fork as
free modules, which means that if there really is a will - there's a
way. 

One day I'll put together a summary titled "how many thousands of
dollars you need to spend in order to start using an open source system
- on the example of Vtiger"

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W dniu 2016-07-07 11:20, Tony Sandman napisał(a):

> Dear developers 
> 
> Don't try keep vtiger poor in functionalities just to have opportunity to sell your extensions. 
> Actually, this group is set for developers of open source doesn't it?  
> Garry's comment is correct. Charging 200 for something what should be for free here, while alternatives (much better)  are half cheaper 
> seems to be inappropriate even (or especially) market is restricted.  
> It all about logical core functionalities. They should be for free as they seems they should be integral part of vtiger (or whatever CRM) 
> On this base vtiger may die giving place for rich in core functionalities fork or alternative app.  
> 
> So, maybe better is to start discussion what should be for free here?  
> 
> The problem is when developers selling in extension store starts such discussion, it will lead us to nowhere..... messy circle of greediness  adjacent to vtiger platform started by vtiger company. 
> 
> Thanks for reading 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Conrado Maggi <comaggi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I will use this as a general example to illustrate something that is recurring in this list 
> 
> _On the other hand, getting half functional extension (don't take me wrong Simon, it is a business talk) for 200 Euro, where _ 
> _such stuff like Acymailing cost 89 only, brings down hope for development of internal module. I guess it is better to share income from _ 
> _such extension than spending time coding?  _ 
> _ _ 
> If your customer is really sending millions of emails a month. That means that the mailchimp invoice is a X,XXX$ a month. They are spending 5 figures a year to send those emails. And if doing right making Millions a month from those emails. 
> 
> Do you really want to replace that with a 80$ module? Even Simone 200$ module?  
> 
> To be honest, I think someone should charge you XX,XXX$ to developed a proper module for this. And it will make sense from your "business" side to pay that. 
> 
> Them you can release it as open source.  
> 
> Cheers, 
> Conrado 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Simone Travaglini <simonetravaglini at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hi garry, 
> we are working to a complete marketing platform and email marketing module it's only a start.I think that with future enenchement will became a must have for every vtiger installation :) 
> About pricing? 
> A vtiger extension it's not a joomla extention: price it's naturally higer becouse market is restricted. So we think it's a correct price. Anyway we develop modules first of all for our customers, we sell it to other only to get money to invest more in growthing of modules! It's not our core business. 
> 
> 2016-07-07 9:38 GMT+02:00 Garry Brighton <garryatbrighton at gmail.com>:
> 
> Thanks Simon, the only my concern is that bounces and statistic should be managed correctly. 
> Also... CRM (decode abbreviation) should consist of excellent email marketing module. Especially nowadays. 
> Current "Campaigns" is kind of gloomy joke. Tried to figure out how to send correctly managed  
> frequent email to customers, but gave up disgusted. It needs rapid development or just deletion. 
> Nobody who thinking seriously about contemporary marketing operations would touch it.  
> It just clings negative score to vtiger itself. 
> 
> On the other hand, getting half functional extension (don't take me wrong Simon, it is a business talk) for 200 Euro, where  
> such stuff like Acymailing cost 89 only, brings down hope for development of internal module. I guess it is better to share income from  
> such extension than spending time coding?   
> 
> What are your thoughts guys? 
> 
> Garry 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Simone Travaglini <simonetravaglini at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Our solution is working with external SMTP like sendgrid, ecc...
>> Our module have also batch management, so you can plan how many email send in every batch (then there is a scheduler that manage batch sending time).
>> We have tested with campaign of 20k email and works correctly.
>> 
>> 2016-07-07 7:36 GMT+02:00 Stacey Johnson <stacey.johnson110 at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Other point is, that during sending emails vtiger work very slowly, because of server performance.
>>> 
>>> Email needs to be send to queue, so sending shouldn't affect vtiger mucho.
>>> Anyway sending more than 300 email p/h is not a good idea... and, what about services such elastic email or amazon? Emails can be send thorough external 
>>> smtp services, therefore on the vtiger side needs to be only developed bouncing back management and all other e-marketing related  goodies..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:28 PM, IT-Solutions4You <info at its4you.sk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The question is, did you deployed/configured/extended vtiger to manage
>>>>> millions of email monthly? Any recommendations?
>>>> 
>>>> Emails send mostly use SMTP server. Our Email Maker or another extension just communicate with this mailserver. So, I suppose limitation is by mailserver how much email can by send. Other point is, that during sending emails vtiger work very slowly, because of server performance. vtiger  (CRM system) is not built for sending millions of email monthly.
>>>> 
>>>> Matus
>>>> ITS4You
>>>> 
>>>> Dňa 4. 7. 2016 o 16:17 Garry Brighton napísal(a):
>>>>> 
>>>>> Client asked me if there is reasonable approach to replace mailchimp (or
>>>>> simillar) with vtiger.
>>>>> There is some extensions such as different smtp management, Email Makers
>>>>> etc...
>>>>> The question is, did you deployed/configured/extended vtiger to manage
>>>>> millions of email monthly? Any recommendations?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Garry
>>>>> 
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