[Vtigercrm-developers] vtigercrm-developers Digest, Vol 100, Issue 122

Prasad prasad at vtiger.com
Fri May 23 02:19:44 GMT 2014


sure  - updated http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8068

thanks,
Prasad

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On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Pabiszczak, Błażej <
b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> wrote:

> Please check your license file (License_linux.txt): points:
>
>    - MagpieRSS
>    - phpSysinfo
>    - Mailfeed
>    - NOCC scripts
>
> &
>
>    - libraries\tcpdf\fonts\freefont\README
>    - Hu lang in ckeditor
>
> Z poważaniem / Regards
> Błażej Pabiszczak
> M: +48.884999123
> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>
>
> 2014-05-22 11:37 GMT+02:00 <
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>>    1. Re: Licensing issues with GPL (was sharing realworld test)
>>       (Prasad)
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>> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:07:01 +0530
>> From: Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>
>> To: "vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com"
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>> Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] Licensing issues with GPL (was
>>         sharing realworld test)
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>> Please update - http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8068
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>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If GPL owner doesn't grant liberty over license - we have less option
>> than
>> > to drop it.
>> > I assume your lang-pack is less restrictive - please clarify.
>> >
>> > We will move to less-restrictive libraries and then be more selective
>> > with integration + licensing.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Prasad
>> >
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>> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
>> > b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>    1.
>> >>
>> http://trac.vtiger.com/svn/vtiger/vtigercrm/branches/6.1.0/libraries/magpierss/rss_cache.inc(and
>> >>    releated files)
>> >>    2. FreeFont use GPL
>> >>    3. Our Lang Pack have GPL.
>> >>    4. etc.
>> >>
>> >> Z powa?aniem / Regards
>> >> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>> >> M: +48.884999123
>> >> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2014-05-22 10:37 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>:
>> >>
>> >>>  Prasad is correct. TCPDF is LGPL and, thus, it is not in conflict. In
>> >>> that case I would say that the only GPL library present is AjaxLoader
>> >>> (qqUploader) in MailManager. So it should be rather easy to get rid
>> of that
>> >>> dependency.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 22/05/14 10:26, Joe Bordes wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, vtiger already uses other libraries, and they SHOULD get rid of
>> >>> them, it is incorrect. The thing is that unless you hit onto
>> something like
>> >>> facebook, nobody comes asking. If/When vtiger hits onto a gold mine,
>> >>> somebody will call a lawyer, in the mean time, you just keep trying
>> to make
>> >>> a living...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 22/05/14 10:19, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> We create 4 module (OSS Mail) and only first module have GPL license,
>> >>> other tools dont use roudcube (other licenses). Vtiger use many
>> libraries
>> >>> like TCPDF on GNU licenses.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
>> >>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>> >>> M: +48.884999123
>> >>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2014-05-22 9:59 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>>  Correct. In fact you would see yourself forced to change the license
>> >>>> on the whole product and make it GPL. In fact that is what may be
>> happening
>> >>>> to your own integrated roundcube extension....
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Another option would be that vtiger changed the license to support
>> dual
>> >>>> licensing, then, with a LOT of care and conditions, you could have
>> both
>> >>>> together. It is a REALLY tricky thing and I think vtiger does
>> correctly in
>> >>>> staying away from the problems, albeit the inconveniences....
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 22/05/14 09:24, Matteo Baranzoni wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think GPL it's not compatible with VPL....
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2014-05-22 9:18 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>> >>>> :
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> And what is the problem?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
>> >>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>> >>>>> M: +48.884999123
>> >>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  2014-05-22 4:42 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>  RoundCube is under GPL License which is strict to grow OpenSource.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>  Regards,
>> >>>>>> Prasad
>> >>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
>> >>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Poorly you did, that you wrote your own email client. Why did not
>> >>>>>>> you use roundcube?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
>> >>>>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>> >>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>> >>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  2014-05-21 6:20 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  B?a?ej,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  Contributions welcome.
>> >>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Pabiszczak, B?a?ej <
>> >>>>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The problem is that you do not use the mail module, so you do
>> not
>> >>>>>>>>> know how it works.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>  Z powa?aniem / Regards
>> >>>>>>>>> B?a?ej Pabiszczak
>> >>>>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>> >>>>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2014-05-20 16:12 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  Bastiaan,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  Thank you for sharing the feedback - its always different to
>> >>>>>>>>>> think like customer than developer.
>> >>>>>>>>>>  UX plays a vital role and one of the key reasons why Vtiger 6
>> >>>>>>>>>> Platform was built for.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  We will continue to improve usability.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Zebra Hosting <
>> >>>>>>>>>> support at zebrahosting.eu> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  Just sharing a little test I did with  secretary who is doing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> some customer contact and never worked with a CRM.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  I asked her to open the mail manager and answer emails like
>> >>>>>>>>>>> she normally does. (IMAP connected)
>> >>>>>>>>>>> First thing she tried was open en email and  looking for ways
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> move it to a folder (not possible in open mail)
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then closed the mail, tried to drag it over to a folder (drag
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and drop not supported)
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then saw that she first have to click the checkbox, open a
>> drop
>> >>>>>>>>>>> down and select a folder.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3 steps and she gave up and went back to her mail client.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doesn?t work when you do hundreds of mails a day.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> People get used to modern GUI?s with HTML5, might be time to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> think about if for the next version.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  So yes, it is sometimes good, not to think like a developer
>> >>>>>>>>>>> but just see normal user working to learn about your GUI?..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  Bastiaan Houtkooper
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  Zebra Hosting
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Un saludo
>> >>> Joe
>> >>> TSolucio
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Un saludo
>> >>> Joe
>> >>> TSolucio
>> >>>
>> >>>
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