[Vtigercrm-developers] Fwd: Re: New Extensions Store! - Take a Tour
Vic Cekvenich
vic.cvc at gmx.com
Sun Aug 17 19:16:57 GMT 2014
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Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] New Extensions Store! - Take a Tour
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 07:30:42 +0200
From: Stefan Warnat <ich at stefanwarnat.de>
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Hy Sreenivas,
Thanks. This sounds thoughtful and secure together.
When will you open the store for the developers?
I think it will be good, if there will be many extension at the
beginning of vt6.1
But i'm sure you know and will work every minute on this. ;)
Stefan
(Please excuse the different formattings. I write on the iPAD)
Am Montag, 30. Juni 2014 schrieb Sreenivas Kanumuru :
Stefan,
/Did you allow developers to open up the license for multiple
installations? My Customers could install every license on 2
systems to allow a development setup. Without this, it will be
hard to create big extensions./
By default license will be locked to an installation. Developers can
choose to NOT lock the license to an installation (checkbox). If
hardware locking
is disable, users who copy the extension file manually to another
installation can use the extension (the extension should be
installed via the command line
console tool on the second machine)
Currently, the login to the store is done automatically through an
id that is unique for each instance. So, it is not possible to login
to store with same user id
from different installations. We plan to relax this by allowing
users to signup and login to the store with their own chosen id.
With this, they will be able to login
to the store with same id from multiple installations. Once this is
there, we can provide the option of multiple installations for a
single purchase.
The Colorizer module in the preview was only shown as an example in
the Store. While we have intention to add support for coloring
records in a list, such a
feature is not yet released. We would be happy to see the Colorizer
module in the Store.
Regards,
Sreenivas
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Stefan Warnat <ich at stefanwarnat.de
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ich at stefanwarnat.de');>> wrote:
Hy,
This looks great. Additionally if you extend the API Framework
in 6.1 multiple times.
Did you allow developers to open up the license for multiple
installations? My Customers could install every license on 2
systems to allow a development setup. Without this, it will be
hard to create big extensions.
I don't want to bind my customers to hard with the licenses. In
my view of the world, a too hard license agreement will create
illegal movements.
I'm a little bit confused, because in preview you have a module
"Colorizer" which looks like my "Colorizer" module.
How could I register for an account in this store? Nothing
speaks against my modules for this store. I think it would fit
greatly.
Stefan
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On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Sreenivas Kanumuru
<svk at vtiger.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','svk at vtiger.com');>> wrote:
Yes, Conrado. The Store will be available in On Demand
instances as well.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:14 PM, MAGGI Conrado
<comaggi at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','comaggi at gmail.com');>> wrote:
Sreenivas, Hi..
Will be the marketplace available in the on-demand
version?
Thanks,
Conrado
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Sreenivas Kanumuru
<svk at vtiger.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','svk at vtiger.com');>> wrote:
We love the experience of installing apps on the
Mobile app stores, and trying to replicate that in
Vtiger. If the revenue we generate from the app
store (25% of the app fee) is good, then that means
developers will be lot happier (with 75%) which is
going to make us even more happier.
The main hurdle is that the framework API
limitations require some system file changes, which
makes the extension non-compliant. That is something
we are working to address this and see more
extensions listed. However, we will not be able to
solve this in 1 version.
Regards,
Sreenivas
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On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:04 PM, SIAM Translations
LLP <info at siam-translations.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','info at siam-translations.com');>>
wrote:
If clumsy user will mess system than developers
should be able to help him. I suggest to create
directory of qualified devs next to app store.
On the other hand vtiger team got right to
generate revenue - just limiting existing
functions could be controversial
On 23 Jun 2014, at 17:10, Sreenivas Kanumuru
<svk at vtiger.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','svk at vtiger.com');>> wrote:
> Hi Holbok, Blazej,
>
> We considered keeping the 'install from file'
> option in the UI, but felt it could lead to
> users installing unverified extensions that
> might damage the installation. We wanted to
> add one level of difficulty for installing
> such extensions to ensure that
> users are aware of the risk. We will review
> this plan if the command line tool becomes
> difficult for users to use.
>
> Note: The one limitation of the command line
> tool is that developers will not be able to
> protect their
> extensions (Store offers this feature to
> encrypt php files and tie it to specific MAC
> address )
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Pabiszczak,
> Błażej <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl');>>
> wrote:
>
> *We expect that in the same way it will be
> solved.*
>
>
> Z poważaniem / Regards
> Błażej Pabiszczak
> M: +48.884999123 <tel:%2B48.884999123>
> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl');>
>
>
> 2014-06-23 11:04 GMT+02:00 Holbok István
> <holbok at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holbok at gmail.com');>>:
>
> Dear Vtiger Team and All other list
> members,
>
> There are several good examples how to
> organize module install manager.
> Please look at the Joomla! project
> solutions:
>
> <joomla-vtiger.png>
>
>
> This approach can be utilized by the
> vtiger project also.
> In the Joomla! project you can find a
> method to
> - install from the web (e.g. from the
> vtiger store)
> - install from package (this method
> was used in earlier vtiger version),
> the package can be placed in a
> directory or in a URL
>
> and there is a method to install
> extension by Discover.
>
> For the vtiger - counting future
> demands - would be very useful:
>
> * possibility to install from vtiger
> store
> * possibility to install from package
> * possibility to install by
> bootstrap string (for developing
> using vtlib API)
> * or possibility to install by CLI
>
> And should be there a possibility to
> Update all earlier installed extensions.
>
> I do not suggest to close any earlier
> used possibility to install extensions
> into vtiger.
> By my opinion the install from store
> possibility should be an extra over
> the earlier used methods but not a
> replacement.
>
> Kindest regards:
> Istvan
>
>
> üdvözlettel:
>
> *Holbok István*
>
> +3670-342-0900 <tel:%2B3670-342-0900>
> *e-mail:* holbok at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holbok at gmail.com');>
> *SkyPe:* holboki
>
> 2014.06.23. 10
> <tel:2014.06.23.%2010>:29 keltezéssel,
> Sreenivas Kanumuru írta:
>> Yes, Matteo. We will improve
>> framework APIs to reduce the need to
>> modify system files. We understand
>> that is important for the success of
>> the Store.
>>
>> Blazej,
>>
>> /If you will not publish modules
>> that modifying system files, we
>> are forced to create our own fork./
>>
>>
>> Console (command line tool) will
>> allow the installation of such
>> modules that are not listed on the
>> store. It is a complementary tool
>> that will be useful for developers
>> and users who want to install
>> extensions that are not yet published
>> on the store. In essence, there are 2
>> ways to install extensions. first
>> through the store (certainly more
>> easier), and the other is through the
>> Console. If we are finding that users
>> are having difficulty with the
>> Console, then we will try to provide
>> a UI for the console (that is
>> separate from the store).
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> /I understand that after
>> migration from 6.0 to 6.1 custom
>> modules will not be migrated but
>> i have to install 'em manually.
>> It means that database tables
>> will be untouched. Is it correct?/
>>
>>
>> Yes, upgrading framework from 6.0 to
>> 6.1 will leave custom modules
>> untouched. They will need to be
>> updated manually through the Store
>> (possible only if the name matche) ,
>> or from outside the store (through
>> the Console).
>>
>> /Can I claim one extension to be
>> published - email campaigns?
>> Vtiger really need it to make
>> marketing guys happy and stick to
>> one app only. /
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion. We are
>> discussing internally on the On
>> Demand features we can release to
>> open source and support well. I
>> expect we will be releasing a couple
>> of extensions initially (Quickbooks,
>> Magento connectors for example) and
>> add more over time.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sreenivas
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM,
>> Matteo Baranzoni
>> <info at greenbitweb.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','info at greenbitweb.com');>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think that not allow modifyng
>> system files in extensione store
>> was the only possible solution
>> but vtiger needs to improve to
>> ensure that they are not necessary!
>>
>>
>> 2014-06-23 8:31 GMT+02:00
>> Pabiszczak, Błażej
>> <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl');>>:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Even if we publish an
>> extension, we will list
>> similar extensions
>> published by other
>> developers, as long as
>> they meet the guidelines
>> (*_not modifying system
>> files_*).
>>
>>
>> If you will not publish
>> modules that modifying system
>> files, we are forced to
>> create our own fork.
>>
>> Z poważaniem / Regards
>> Błażej Pabiszczak
>> M: +48.884999123
>> <tel:%2B48.884999123>
>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl');>
>>
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