[Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger > Market place module protection (was: joomla articles)

Mon Aug 11 08:49:49 GMT 2014

We also offer Colo what would be number 4 on your list. + a variety of managed and un-managed versions
of each.

Yes we have ion cube standard installed for all (shared) hosting yes. Both windows and Linux systems.

Bastiaan Houtkooper
Zebra Hosting

From: Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com<mailto:svk at vtiger.com>>
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Date: maandag 11 augustus 2014 10:22
To: "vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com<mailto:vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com>" <vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com<mailto:vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com>>
Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger > Market place module protection (was: joomla articles)

Thanks for the feedback, Bastiaan. We can open up the store to allow developers to encrypt using IonCube/ZendGuard and distribute via marketplace. Besides the concerns i shared one of the other features we will not be able to offer with IonCube/ZendGuard, is the 'Try before you Buy' feature.

I wanted to seek some input to help shape our decision.

I see hosting companies generally have 3 plans

1. Web Hosting (cheapest)
2. VMs
3. Dedicated Servers

Are you saying that IonCube installer is preinstalled for Web Hosting accounts?

thanks,
Sreenivas

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Zebra Hosting <support at zebrahosting.eu<mailto:support at zebrahosting.eu>> wrote:
Dear Screenivas,

Thanks for your explanation, (although I had those reasons also figured out). They are logical and make sense from vTiger point of view.
>From a hosting company point of view it will be a bit different. Guess we will have to advice people to run vTiger from their own VM if they want to use the marketplace.
Seriously increasing their costs from standard hosting. Lets see if they think it is worth it.

Remains the overal discussion how people protect their modules now outside the marketplace and if there is something to learn from that process.

Bastiaan Houtkooper
Zebra Hosting

On 11 aug. 2014, at 07:02, Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com<mailto:svk at vtiger.com>> wrote:

Bastiaan, Thanks for sharing your feedback.

We considered using IonCube or ZendGuard. However, we didn't proceed because of the following concerns.

  1.  Each extension developer has to purchase the Encoder ($400 to $800) and pay additional support fees.
  2.  On the same MAC address we can have multiple copies of Vtiger. So, the standard MAC address based restriction would not work.
  3.  Developer has to encode before submitting to Vtiger. (with our loader, developer has to click a checbox to encrypt - nothing else)
  4.  IonCube doesn't work with APC. (reference<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fstackoverflow.com%2Fquestions%2F3828845%2Fare-apc-and-ioncube-fully-compatible&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHp3GMEh17QElm2gKVseSMDmNQGnw>)

We needed more flexibility, and wanted to make it easier and less expensive for developers. So, we invested the time into developing the Vtiger Loader as an alternative to  IonCube / ZendGuard / SourceGuardian.

Regards,
Sreenivas

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Zebra Hosting <support at zebrahosting.eu<mailto:support at zebrahosting.eu>> wrote:
Creating a new subject to avoid hijacking Andrews thread.

Prasad, as mentioned earlier we are not going to use the vTiger market place extension on our servers for security reasons and I assume more companies will think the same way.

That leaves the option for those companies to install modules via de manual install but the modules will not be encrypted and easy to copy (correct me if I am wrong)

I haven’t been checking what could be an alternative option but would love to hear suggestions and experience how people protect their vTiger modules.

Ioncube has been a standard way but I am not sure how it plays with the marketplace.

Would it be possible to add a modules to the marketplace with a 3rd party encryption like ioncube?

I really hope you guys find a way to make the market place work with some form of security but without the mandatory extra extension install. That would solve most issues (and end this discussion)

Bastiaan Houtkooper
Zebra Hosting

On 10 aug. 2014, at 20:28, Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com<mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>> wrote:

If you are not choosing source-protection for your extension on marketplace. When customer downloads the file it would not be altered. This would mean the code you had submitted (raw / encrypted) would be sent over.

I assume you would submit the code with 3rd party protection if you have already have the licensed copy of those application.

Could you please share more details on the confusion.

Regards,
Prasad

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On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Zebra Hosting <support at zebrahosting.eu<mailto:support at zebrahosting.eu>> wrote:
But than the source is unprotected.
I would like to see (as mentioned by others) a common way like ioncube, to protect the source. I like the idea to support the market, I like the idea of bringing in modules but it needs a decent protection without extra libs.

Bastiaan Houtkooper
Zebra Hosting

On 10 aug. 2014, at 12:04, Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com<mailto:prasad at vtiger.com>> wrote:

Bastiaan,

You can list the extension on marketplace for free and opt-out source protection.
Customers will be able to use the same on CRM without need of "exotic drivers".

Regards,
Prasad

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