[Vtigercrm-developers] Cooperation - part 2

Sat Aug 2 11:57:47 GMT 2014

My feeling is that VT Team is trying to improve the product, but with a
wrong perspective. VT On demand has been a good strategy, and allows the
team to add features and resolve bugs quickly. The idea of a marketplace is
indeed good. The problem is: community developers have a strong set of
tools to build modules for the store? How much VT is customizable? How many
old bugs are still unresolved? 6.0 version  has too many small 'black
holes',  and 6.1 release should focus on the resolution of them. My opinion
is that the release cycle of the product is too slow because VT developers
use a top-down strategy, keeping the community in the margin, and
generating hundres of micro-forks, loosing hundred of opportunities for the
Vtiger product to grow.

Stability, Clear Full Api, Security, Easy customization are the primary
needs of the dev community, then the marketplace will take off!!

VTiger is a great product and could be even better... Thanks for your
efforts, VTeam
Il 01/ago/2014 16:09 "Matteo Baranzoni" <info at greenbitweb.com> ha scritto:

> @Sreenivas Owncloud inc, Zimbra inc, Zentyal S.L.
> are commercial company that work with community using a community council.
>
> Create a working group does not mean "steal" your leadership but join
> forces, currently many resources available in the community are lost
> because vtiger guys does not have time to follow.
> For example: Italian translation, it's completed in trac (created by my
> team and Simone Travaglini) but Vt6.1 still has a translation done with
> google translator. Why should I pay employees in order to continue (or
> expand) our contribute to Vtiger?
>
>
>
>
> 2014-08-01 15:35 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com>:
>
>> @Matteo,
>>
>> *why not create a governance such as other open source projects (like
>>> owncloud, libreoffice)? A community council with vtiger guys, opensaas,
>>> its4you, Alan, Joe that plan future of vtiger and keep up to date the
>>> code, accept proposals, check submitted code etc. Possibly moving on github
>>> and using the powerful tools provided by this platform!*
>>
>>
>> Vtiger is a commercial company. Vtiger Open source edition is
>> instrumental for our success. We always believed that there is money to be
>> made by providing affordable (even free) software to businesses. Since our
>> business depends on it, it is important for us to be able to chart the
>> course of the open source product. At the same time, there might be better
>> ways to collaborate than what we are doing today (mostly via  this list).
>> We plan to move from SVN to github/gitlab  later this year. (trac issues
>> migration is one of the tasks we want to complete).
>>
>> @Mutuku,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your comments.
>>
>> A few years ago (when the motto was "The only truly open source CRM" ), I
>>> tried forming a business around implementing CRM solutions for clients.
>>
>>
>> Different markets require specific customizations. I would suggest having
>>> a  "core" crm engine and let the community build modules around it, given
>>> different business scenarios
>>
>>
>> Vtiger Open Source has enabled many such vertical solutions. Joe's
>> CoreBOS Law and Medical editions are recent examples. Joe is able to
>> release them with a proprietary license because Vtiger's MPL based open
>> source license is truly open. (GPL license would have forced Joe to release
>> them under GPL)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sreenivas
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Mutuku Ndeti <jnmutuku at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me start by saying thank you for the work done with vtiger
>>>
>>> I would like to add my voice here too. A few years ago (when the motto
>>> was "The only truly open source CRM" ), I tried forming a business around
>>> implementing CRM solutions for clients.
>>>
>>> My first implementation, with some customization (5.0) wowed the client
>>> (who had been using excel sheets and had failed in trying out customizing
>>> sugarcrm).
>>>
>>> After that it was a uphill task due to lack of documentation / community
>>> support / Road Map. I was not confident about direction /  documentation,
>>> so I gave up, changed the business and started implementing drupal solution
>>> (more open active community). I even implemented basic crm using it. I like
>>> the drupal model (they have the commercial Acquia and the very open source
>>> drupal). There is a lot of documentation and freedom. I don't mind donating
>>> to the community because my business is fully founded on drupal solutions.
>>>
>>> That said, I keep coming back and testing vtiger because I see a local
>>> market for custom CRMs. What I find every time is that Vtiger is becoming
>>> more closed that open.
>>>
>>> To cut the long story short :-
>>>
>>> 1. I think there should be a clear road map (so that users /
>>> integrators are not left in the dark). With every "curveball", Vtiger
>>> looses users / a market
>>> 2. I think Vtiger should adopt a fully open source model (with some form
>>> of governance). I really like the drupal model (where there is a "core" and
>>> users build modules around it. From time to time, the governance decides
>>> what should be included in core)  You can an have a commercial offshoot (We
>>> all need to pay the bills)
>>> 3. Different markets require specific customizations. I would suggest
>>> having a  "core" crm engine and let the community build modules around it,
>>> given different business scenarios
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:40 PM, SIAM Translations <
>>> info at siam-translations.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's see response :-)
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Matteo Baranzoni <
>>>> info at greenbitweb.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> why not create a governance such as other open source projects (like
>>>>> owncloud, libreoffice)?
>>>>> A community council with vtiger guys, opensaas, its4you, Alan, Joe
>>>>> that plan future of vtiger and keep up to date the code, accept proposals,
>>>>> check submitted code etc. Possibly moving on github and using the powerful
>>>>> tools provided by this platform!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-07-30 17:29 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks for sharing your thoughts,  Blazej. I do understand your
>>>>>> time is precious and appreciate you taking the time to provide it here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your points A-G refer to our decision to remove the 'install from
>>>>>> file' option and to add the feature to encrypt the extension file. We did
>>>>>> it for the following reasons
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. Removing 'Install from File' option - to protect users
>>>>>>    2. Encrypt the Extension - to empower developers (as Matus noted,
>>>>>>    some developers might want it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Certain assumptions we made were not on the mark. We shared the
>>>>>> preview here in the developers list to ensure we get it right. We are
>>>>>> taking feedback and making corrections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       1. Add 'Install from File' option  - done
>>>>>>       2. Allow Free extensions installation without loader - pending
>>>>>> to be done shortly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *2 + 20 developers*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While we have 2 dedicated resources for trac, we have 20+ other
>>>>>> developers contributing to improvements to the product (list view search is
>>>>>> an example that was deployed to 6.1 branch recently, many more improvements
>>>>>> are integrated into 6.1)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *2 Business Days*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  * If you don’t believe, I can send you modules, and you can try to
>>>>>>> publish them in two days.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mentioned that "we will respond to new submissions in 2 business
>>>>>> days.". I meant that we will review and approve or reply to the developer.
>>>>>> So, you are right for complex modules we might need more time to review.
>>>>>> But, our goal is to respond with our findings within 2 business days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Encouraging Developers*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *You have done everything you could to discourage us from continuing
>>>>>>> our dialogue and from your product.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry you see it that way, but our efforts are to only make
>>>>>> Vtiger open source more stronger and to empower developers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I welcome your feedback. Though critical, I know it is coming from a
>>>>>> well intended mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Sreenivas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Maik Standtke <maikst at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-07-30 15:45 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak, Błażej <
>>>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Summary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have done everything you could to discourage us from continuing
>>>>>>>> our dialogue and from your product.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
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