[Vtigercrm-developers] Roadmap 6.5 and 7

Fri Apr 29 06:16:20 GMT 2016

I agree with Joe. Haven't been here so long but I seen this conversation
came up a lot usually with the same outcome.

@Sreenivas,

Agree with Alan and Simone. You and Vtiger need to be more transparent
about the roadmap, and what is your vision for the open source version for
the next years at least. Many of us have invested heavily creating modules
and developing a company around this platform.

I'm most concern about your vision. With the on-demand growing that faster
I wonder which role the open-source plays: Lead generation? Letting
companies outgrow you?

You have already change your marketing and no longer talk about the open
source version.

@All
About  the fork, Alan explained it really well.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Alan Bell <alan.bell at libertus.co.uk> wrote:

>  Customers don't really want us to maintain our own fork of Vtiger, each
> customer has in effect their own fork of Vtiger and they are interested in
> theirs, not creating some new upstream.
>

Vtiger open source is for companies that don't want to pay the on-demand
version or have out-grown it. That means they need they own fork with
custom modules and features that are unique to that company.

The second group usually has the money to pay for the own fork. That is
where the money for coreBOS come (I guess). Companies that have their own
vt5.4 fork

> There is a fair bit of work involved in forking something and it isn't
> clear where the revenue is for that. It is a technical challenge, a
> community building challenge and a marketing challenge.

100% Agree. Viewing this a matter of collaboration and features is seeing
20% of the problem. Who will finance the marketing team? PR Team, Web
development, etc. etc. We invest a lot in our company and we do less than
1% of what you need to move forward a project like this.

Selling support is not an option for us. Unless someone have the ability to
get 1000+ companies paying 200$ a month for support to finance something
like vtiger.

A fully feature on-demand version? Yeah! Oh wait, it's exactly what Vtiger
does. Also, the following forks: VTE (5.4 fork), VTC, Metricwise (niched
5.4 fork), Vt4you, and a few more I can't remember.

About contributions,  if you are really comfortable releasing that for
free. Upload them to forums or your company website, anything will work. I
have released a few simple modules that are downloaded 100+ times a month.
Deal with the support later, for free!

Or commit your contribution to code.vtiger.com. Wait for them to be
reviewed, that the code is according to the standards, don't break anything
else, etc. Do the people on the list know how long its take to get you
module approved and published in the marketplace?

Finally, I think most modules are being sold really cheap, prices should be
higher, look at to Sugar or Magento extensions.

Just my 2 cents.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Ranieri <rslemer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I still think a fork or split is not the solution. But instead, joining
> efforts.
>
> On the financial side, I see two opposites, or free or expensive modules.
>
> Back to the example, a module as Dynamic blocks for example, if your cost
> is US $ 5, and considering that 10% of the base would be interested, we are
> talking about $ 5,000.
>
> For $ 5 it is difficult for anyone to want to develop again and a user
> find it very expensive, not buy.
>
> It's what I think. You have to make it happen, the wheel spin ...
>
> Ranieri
>
> 2016-04-28 9:12 GMT-03:00 Matteo Baranzoni <info at greenbitweb.com>:
>
>> why not? fork where everyone can contribuite and some "bigboss" of this
>> community point the way (set milestone, create task, search "volunteers"
>> that fix specific issue) whould be great.
>>
>> We create many new features (tool for manage inventory, bill of material,
>> track purchase cost, etc) and many other are coming (pentaho/seiku for
>> report, new html5 mobile app), on new fork i must release all for free.
>> But i'm not interested to do here because vtiger guys are too slow to
>> track community requirements!
>>
>> 2016-04-28 13:54 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>:
>>
>>> >> I can only imagine how badly it must feel if you know the old vtiger,
>>> the slow down must feel even heavier.
>>>
>>> No, not heavier, exactly the same, it has been exactly the same for the
>>> past 10 years, nothing has changed. This conversation hasn't changed at all
>>> in all that time. What is incredible is that we are still listening and
>>> participating :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> >> I would love to see fork run by joint Alan's (both), Joe & Andrea,
>>> Simone, Manuel, Conrado and ...
>>>
>>> I truly doubt this will ever happen.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> TSolucio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/04/16 13:01, Preexo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have only started using vtiger since a year, so I am relatively fresh
>>>> to
>>>> this open source project and I did not experience vtiger before version
>>>> 6.1.
>>>> Still I can tell that the contribution in the open source project by the
>>>> vtiger company have slowed down dramatically. I can only imagine how
>>>> badly
>>>> it must feel if you know the old vtiger, the slow down must feel even
>>>> heavier.
>>>>
>>>> The change to gitlab could have started a really great new time with
>>>> many
>>>> changes from the community, collaboration, users totally unrelated to
>>>> the
>>>> vtiger company making it an awesome product, because that's what open
>>>> source
>>>> is about, right...?
>>>> It didn't... The change to gitlab only made more transparent how little
>>>> interest vtiger has in community changes and driving the open source
>>>> project
>>>> to something awesome. Well done vtiger...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stacey Johnson wrote
>>>>
>>>>> If not.......... I would love to see fork run by joint Alan's (both),
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> &
>>>>> Andrea, Simone, Manuel, Conrado and few more from this list - in
>>>>> friendly
>>>>> and honest collaboration
>>>>> which will respect "free code and community".
>>>>>
>>>> So yeah, I would also love to see a fork by the team you suggest
>>>> @Stacey!
>>>> In case the fork is not going to happen, could Alan, Alan, Joe, Andrea,
>>>> Simone, Manuel, Conrado share with us why this is not an option to
>>>> them? As
>>>> far as I have understood all of you are living of selling consultation
>>>> and
>>>> CRM customization to companies... wouldn't it make sense to have your
>>>> own
>>>> product? Who knows if you would do it so much better than vtiger in the
>>>> end,
>>>> but at the moment anything is better, really....
>>>> Like Stacey, I also hope you give it a think.
>>>>
>>>> Until then I will stick with this (Yetiforce might be awesome, but I
>>>> don't
>>>> like the vibes from that project) and add commits and merge requests to
>>>> a
>>>> project that no one ever knows if they stand a chance making their way
>>>> into
>>>> the core, not even getting any feedback, what other choice do I have? I
>>>> feel
>>>> very dependent since a long time already (having bought all those fancy
>>>> extensions that fill the gap of vtigers core), well done again
>>>> vtiger... you
>>>> destroyed any left freedom and openness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Un saludo
>>> Joe
>>> TSolucio
>>>
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