[Vtigercrm-developers] about new template manager (Vtiger 6.4)

Mon Nov 16 11:21:49 GMT 2015

@Federico
I read both your posts again and I don't know if there's something I
didn't understand. From what you said I understood that you're no longer
planning to commit fixes and patches, and this means that the community
is smaller and shrinking. Of course, my misunderstanding of the context
might result from the fact that I don't read/write well in English. I
don't know why you're talking to me about some custom modules, it wasn't
me who reported problems with them. 

Prasad writes about some layout v7 to be released in 8-12 months, you
write about some strange fallback system and some cooperation on it, but
the truth is that the current problems result from the fact that: 

1. The current mechanism is not finished. 

2. The current mechanism is not compatible with MVC. 

3. Vtiger should upgrade BS2 to BS3 / 4. 

4. Creating such a mechanism should be consulted with the community. 

5. In order for the template mechanism to work properly, you must
rebuild many internal mechanisms, for example. vtiger_links, loader and
so on. 

Whatever you say about the fallback system, we created layout support
and rebuilt the engine to it, so there's nothing to theorize about, just
check how it works in our system and then do the same thing or better. 

I'm not going to discuss which template is more responsive, I'm not
going to waste my time for that, and it won't bring anything substantial
to the discussion. I just want to point out that if you make a new
template based on BS3 outside the engine [the engine decides what and
when is to be loaded], then it's wrong in many ways [no matter what
effect you achieve]. 

However, the template problem is a marginal issue, the standard Vtiger
template is not bad, it's better than many commercial systems. Vtiger's
problem is the calendar, lack of integration with caldav/carddav, data
import/export problems, no pdf editor integrated with the engine, no
decent email client, no searching by related modules, lack of search
engine management. A lot of vtiger's code is outdated and needs
refactoring and new business approach. 

The open-source version is no longer being developed, it will be good if
vtiger adds multi layout support under your pressure, but on the
priority list it is of low importance for the community and for the real
needs of customers. Compared to other projects Vtiger slowed down and
many other systems accelerated, at this rate taking a step forward with
the template, you are three steps behind the competition, and that's
short-term thinking. 
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Z poważaniem / Regards 

BŁAŻEJ PABISZCZAK 
_Chief Executive Officer_ 
M: +48.884999123
E: b.pabiszczak at yetiforce.com 
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> Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] about new template manager (Vtiger 6.4)
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> 2015-11-12 15:25
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> OD:
> makeyourcloud <info at makeyourcloud.com>
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> DO:
> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
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> ODPOWIEDŹ DO:
> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
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> Hi Błażej,
> 
> Honestly I think you made a bit of confusion, I'm Federico and I'm the main
> developer of the MYC team and speak for all the team in this forum, we
> offered our collaboration to contribute to the development of the new v7
> layout and the fallback structure with the condition that they have to share
> the new layout "v7" (I simplified the fallback procedure description in my
> previous post because I would just "inspire" Prasad to find the solution!),
> we have yet implemented the fallback structure to develop our themes, many
> customers use it everyday and no problems with custom modules were reported,
> obviously it will surely need a revision but for us and our customers it is
> working properly.
> 
> Maybe you didn't read with care all the posts in this thread, we hadn't
> released any free theme for vtiger, you could look at our demo to see our
> themes ( http://demo.makeyourcloud.com/vtiger6.3 [1] ) , you will see how we
> developed two really responsive layouts with our custom fallback method and
> implemented a sort of custom layout change (making our layout as skins, it
> was a trick to enable the user to quickly change it) when this feature was
> not present yet. 
> 
> We are working to a new module that will replace the layout switcher (this
> time according to the layout structure, so no fake skin changes but a custom
> module to do it and skins will have their original function) with many
> advantages like the fallback solution, an user-based layout selection, a
> fully responsive layout ( no layout switch required, the layout will adapt
> itself to each screen resolution, and you should understand how much work
> this need due to the hard tabled structure of many vlayout views) and it
> will be fully compatible with the vtiger role/permission system, we
> scheduled this release (updating our two themes) by the end of this month.
> 
> P.S.: I looked at your bs3 theme and it seems to be really far from the
> concept of "responsive", obviously I know how many hard work you needed to
> adapt all the js to work with the new structure, we have a similar project
> in progress but with the goal to make a really fully responsive bs3 layout
> and it is the main reason why we need the standardization of bs3 css
> framework for vtiger and relative extensions.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Federico Bempensato,
> MakeYourCloud (MYC) Development Team - http://www.makeyourcloud.com [2]
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