[Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger CRM 5 Long Time Support :: coreBOS

[Maik Standtke]

Hi All,

it is my first writing here... and maybe my last also :-)
English is not my mother language, so I hope I make not to many mistakes
and will not offend anyone. If so, sorry, it is not my intention.

I'm in IT since a bit more than 30 years and have a lot of different
experiences made in these years.

Since a year I'm on the search for an open source CRM for me and a few
customers.
vtiger was one of the CRM were I was looking a little bit deeper.

vtiger is an interesting system and it has a lot of potential and open
source is the right way to go and to get bigger. But it must be real open
source... I do not have this feeling with vtiger.

It is difficult to find reliable and deep information on ONE place.
Even the source is not really easy to find and it seems also not always on
the last development state.
The installable packages and patches are also not clearly documented. I
found sometimes different source versions with the same version number....
and so on.

However .. after this confusing search and try out I thought it is a good
idea to read the list of the developers to get a feeling how developing is
made and what kind of problems are looking for solutions and how the
communication is...

I'm on this list now for about 6 month and after this post of John Crisp I
must say, I couldn't agree more.

vtiger is and will not be a really good solution until the main development
team is not able to
- make use of all the talented programmers out there who are willing to
work on the source
- implement a good steering mechanism for all contributing developers
- control and implement patches and contributions fast
- release ALWAYS the latest source often and fast ... > that means the
actual source is allways online and in every develepoment state
downloadable. (if it is already so, please tell me where i can find it)

I'm not happy with the actual situation of vtiger and new forks are not
really a solution.. only another diversification and reason for slower
development of the main application.

John wrote TEAM in capitals... that is good and and this will be the
solution.

                                        BUILD A TEAM!

I wish you all luck and thx for reading.

Maik



2014-03-29 19:50 GMT+01:00 John Crisp <john at reetspetit.net>:

> On 29/03/14 18:04, Pabiszczak, Błażej wrote:
> > In my opinion you have done wrong. Why?
> >
>
> He's done nothing wrong. It's Open Source. If you don't like what the
> developers are doing, vote with your feet and do your own thing. I think
> he has had one straw too many on his back.
>
> >
> > And what would happen if our common system was developed by Team Vtiger
> > (Vtiger 6), and companies like yours and my (&others), have joined
> > forces (how will work mail module, if we built it together with *VTIGER
> > TEAM*)?.
> >
> > *Together, we are able to offer more! Together with Vtiger Team! Many
> > companies do not understand how many loses does not work together!*
> >
>
> Unfortunately the vTiger devs are nice people but don't understand
> 'team' or just don't want to listen. If you are really honest, they have
> never really 'worked' with the community have they ? Lots of empty
> promises, but little action. But no one wants to admit that to
> themselves because if you don't like that, the only options are to
> either fork, or walk away completely.
>
> Yes, the developers are entitled to do what they want, but whilst they
> ignore people they lose too much. I've always said vTiger is great, but
> could be so much greater, if only the vTiger team really worked properly
> with their community.
>
> Joe is just another excellent developer who has been ignored by the
> leaders of this project. Adam Heinz was another on a long list.
>
> How many times have we seen great work here that has never been included
> ? How many outstanding bugs are there on the trac ?
>
> Unless the developers wake up and start letting contributors
> 'CONTRIBUTE' properly, accept patches etc, they will continue to lose
> people.
>
> However, I believe they have their own agenda, are comfortable and
> making money with their own clients, and aren't really that bothered
> about the rest of the world. The fact that devs here have clients of
> their own who they need to satisfy is of no real concern to them. The
> people here are good 'testers' but nothing more. It's a one way street,
> always has, and always will be.
>
> I wish Joe well in his endeavours, and if I ever get round to him
> upgrading me again, it will be with him and not here, sad to say.
>
> B. Rgds
> John
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.vtiger.com/
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