<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi All,<br><br></div><div>it is my first writing here... and maybe my last also :-)<br></div><div>English is not my mother language, so I hope I make not to many mistakes and will not offend anyone. If so, sorry, it is not my intention.<br>
<br></div><div>I'm in IT since a bit more than 30 years and have a lot of different experiences made in these years.<br><br></div>Since a year I'm on the search for an open source CRM for me and a few customers.<br>
</div><div>vtiger was one of the CRM were I was looking a little bit deeper.<br><br></div><div>vtiger is an interesting system and it has a lot of potential and open source is the right way to go and to get bigger. But it must be real open source... I do not have this feeling with vtiger.<br>
<br>It is difficult to find reliable and deep information on ONE place.<br>Even the source is not really easy to find and it seems also not always on the last development state.<br></div><div>The installable packages and patches are also not clearly documented. I found sometimes different source versions with the same version number.... and so on.<br>
<br>However .. after this confusing search and try out I thought it is a good idea to read the list of the developers to get a feeling how developing is made and what kind of problems are looking for solutions and how the communication is...<br>
</div><div><br>I'm on this list now for about 6 month and after this post of John Crisp I must say, I couldn't agree more.<br></div></div><div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">vtiger is and will not be a really good solution until the main development team is not able to <br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">- make use of all the talented programmers out there who are willing to work on the source<br>- implement a good steering mechanism for all contributing developers<br>- control and implement patches and contributions fast<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">- release ALWAYS the latest source often and fast ... > that means the actual source is allways online and in every develepoment state downloadable. (if it is already so, please tell me where i can find it)<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I'm not happy with the actual situation of vtiger and new forks are not really a solution.. only another diversification and reason for slower development of the main application. <br>
<br><div class="gmail_extra">John wrote TEAM in capitals... that is good and and this will be the solution.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br> BUILD A TEAM!<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
I wish you all luck and thx for reading.<br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Maik<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-03-29 19:50 GMT+01:00 John Crisp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john@reetspetit.net" target="_blank">john@reetspetit.net</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On 29/03/14 18:04, Pabiszczak, Błażej wrote:<br>
> In my opinion you have done wrong. Why?<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>He's done nothing wrong. It's Open Source. If you don't like what the<br>
developers are doing, vote with your feet and do your own thing. I think<br>
he has had one straw too many on his back.<br>
<div class=""><br>
><br>
> And what would happen if our common system was developed by Team Vtiger<br>
> (Vtiger 6), and companies like yours and my (&others), have joined<br>
</div>> forces (how will work mail module, if we built it together with *VTIGER<br>
> TEAM*)?.<br>
><br>
> *Together, we are able to offer more! Together with Vtiger Team! Many<br>
> companies do not understand how many loses does not work together!*<br>
><br>
<br>
Unfortunately the vTiger devs are nice people but don't understand<br>
'team' or just don't want to listen. If you are really honest, they have<br>
never really 'worked' with the community have they ? Lots of empty<br>
promises, but little action. But no one wants to admit that to<br>
themselves because if you don't like that, the only options are to<br>
either fork, or walk away completely.<br>
<br>
Yes, the developers are entitled to do what they want, but whilst they<br>
ignore people they lose too much. I've always said vTiger is great, but<br>
could be so much greater, if only the vTiger team really worked properly<br>
with their community.<br>
<br>
Joe is just another excellent developer who has been ignored by the<br>
leaders of this project. Adam Heinz was another on a long list.<br>
<br>
How many times have we seen great work here that has never been included<br>
? How many outstanding bugs are there on the trac ?<br>
<br>
Unless the developers wake up and start letting contributors<br>
'CONTRIBUTE' properly, accept patches etc, they will continue to lose<br>
people.<br>
<br>
However, I believe they have their own agenda, are comfortable and<br>
making money with their own clients, and aren't really that bothered<br>
about the rest of the world. The fact that devs here have clients of<br>
their own who they need to satisfy is of no real concern to them. The<br>
people here are good 'testers' but nothing more. It's a one way street,<br>
always has, and always will be.<br>
<br>
I wish Joe well in his endeavours, and if I ever get round to him<br>
upgrading me again, it will be with him and not here, sad to say.<br>
<br>
B. Rgds<br>
John<br>
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