[Vtigercrm-developers] LANCER : Home page UI - Revised

[Saint]

Sak,

I agree. There may be a solution out there. I will look into the 
usability resources and find out :-)

cheers,
Saint

Sergio A. Kessler wrote:

>hi saint,
>
>I don't have a problem with this, but let me point that this is not a
>new experiment.
>
>for a unknow reasons many humans believe they are the first to do what
>they do, but in fact what they are doing has been tryed many moons
>ago... and many times has been also analyzed many moons ago...
>
>it happens to me in programming every time, when I'am confronted with
>a problem, my first reaction is "well, I can't be the only one with
>this problem, sure this problem has been raised before and solved
>before by someone else"
>so, instead of wasting my time trying to invent something already
>invented, I just focus my energy in searching for the available
>solution.
>and in my many years of programming I never invented something new  :-)
>
>and this is exactly what I'm trying to tell you,
>don't be fooled thinking the problem you face rigth now, is something
>new to the usability of web systems.
>
>you are *not* the first to face this problem, in fact this problem has
>been raised, studied and analyzed many time ago (it comes from the
>frames era)
>and has been the subject of many people specialized in the field of
>web usability.
>
>yes, you can experiment with this problem, I don't have any problem
>with that, but what you are doing is nothing new.
>
>
>/sak
>ps: "(you lose the top tabs from eye-sight)" this is not a problem, it
>happens on almost every site.
>ps2: with a scrollable div, you also broke printing, I can't print the
>whole page.
>
>
>On 3/5/06, Saint <saint at vtiger.com> wrote:
>  
>
>> After watching the thead, we feel, people have different opinions about
>>using scrollable DIVs. To find the best answer, let us experiment.
>>
>> For beta we will give one module with scrollable DIV layout and one module
>>with non-div layout.
>>
>> The Dashboard will retain the scrollable DIVs and will list the graphs in
>>2x2 fashion or 4x1 fashion, depending upon the screen resolution.
>>
>> The At-a-Glance will get treated with non-div layout. This means, in the
>>Show All Modules, all 7+ tables will be listed one by one. Though this
>>actually leads to more page scrolls (you lose the top tabs from eye-sight)
>>it can be rectified with bookmarks to help reaching the page top. Clicking
>>the other modules such as Top Potentials, Top Leads etc will list the tables
>>of records as usual.
>>
>> We will release beta with this setup and find the user feedback. Depending
>>on the feedback, we will conclude the solution.
>>
>> So what you guys feel? shall we try this experiment?
>>
>> - Saint
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian Devendorf wrote:
>> I agree with sak. With AJAX and modern web browsers, web pages should
>>not have a scrolling area within another scrolling area. The issue I
>>was mentioning is that the dashboard view is about 1000 x 800 pixels
>>(guestimate). This means it looks horrible in smaller windows with
>>two scrollbars necessary for navigation. And for managers with a 21"
>>screen, they are only able to view the limited 1000 x 800 pixels
>>rather than use their entire screen. This may be acceptable for a
>>small sub-feature on a page, but not for the main focus of the page.
>>
>>
>>On Mar 4, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. I don't use IE.
>>
>>2. most people use IE, so, if something affect IE, it is affecting the
>>vast mayority of users (no matter how fan I'am of firefox or linux).
>>
>>3. I don't know if is a must, all I'm saying is that having multiple
>>scrollbars confuse people, all usability guys say that.
>>
>>
>>/sak
>>
>>On 3/4/06, Mike Fedyk <mfedyk at mikefedyk.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> saint, if you put a scrollable div, then it means there can be two
>>vertical scroll bar, the browser one, and the div one...
>>
>>I think Brian is refering to the same, he just call this a "website
>>within a website"...
>>
>>look at the following screenshot and you'll know what i'm talking
>>about...
>>
>>see ? there are two vertical scrollbar... the fundamental concept
>>of a
>>"page" has been broken...
>>
>>"The appearance of multiple pairs of scrollbars affects usability,
>>since users are essentially confused as to which scrollbars to use.
>>Hiding these scrollbars has the effect of hiding all content that
>>doesn't fit into the frame, thus seriously impacts users finding
>>their
>>way around a website or finding the content they wanted."
>>
>>what you are doing is like putting a frame inside the main windows,
>>jakob nielsen (*) say this about frames:
>>http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html
>>
>>
>>it evens happen to me (a supposedly experienced user), I want to see
>>what others type of reports are below "Invoices by Accounts", then I
>>rotate my mouse's wheel, only to find (confused) that I'am scrolling
>>the graph part (which is not what I want)
>>
>>
>>/sak
>>(*) jacob nielsen is considered by many as the # 1 guru of web
>>usability.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry but I completely disagree.
>>
>>Having scrollable lists within the page is a must, and it aligns with
>>the target of adding more AJAX features into vtiger. You *lose* the
>>concept of the page with AJAX, it is as simple as that.
>>
>>And if you are talking about how IE and many windows apps don't
>>scroll
>>the window below the mouse pointer, then the bad usability is
>>because of
>>IE and Windows. This has been fixed for a long time in Firefox
>>and in
>>Gnome (don't know about KDE, but probably there too).
>>
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