[Vtigercrm-developers] LANCER : Home page UI - Revised

[Mike Fedyk]

Sounds good, but a workable middle-ground can be to have only one area 
in At-a-Glance will be scrollable.  This way you can show everything you 
want, with the tabs always visible but only one part of the page can scroll.

Saint wrote:

> After watching the thead, we feel, people have different opinions 
> about using scrollable DIVs. To find the best answer, let us experiment.
>
> For beta we will give one module with scrollable DIV layout and one 
> module with non-div layout.
>
> The Dashboard will retain the scrollable DIVs and will list the graphs 
> in 2x2 fashion or 4x1 fashion, depending upon the screen resolution.
>
> The At-a-Glance will get treated with non-div layout. This means, in 
> the *Show All Modules*, all 7+ tables will be listed one by one. 
> Though this actually leads to more page scrolls (you lose the top tabs 
> from eye-sight) it can be rectified with bookmarks to help reaching 
> the page top. Clicking the other modules such as Top Potentials, Top 
> Leads etc will list the tables of records as usual.
>
> We will release beta with this setup and find the user feedback. 
> Depending on the feedback, we will conclude the solution.
>
> So what you guys feel? shall we try this experiment?
>
> - Saint
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> Brian Devendorf wrote:
>
>>I agree with sak. With AJAX and modern web browsers, web pages should  
>>not have a scrolling area within another scrolling area. The issue I  
>>was mentioning is that the dashboard view is about 1000 x 800 pixels  
>>(guestimate). This means it looks horrible in smaller windows with  
>>two scrollbars necessary for navigation. And for managers with a 21"  
>>screen, they are only able to view the limited 1000 x 800 pixels  
>>rather than use their entire screen. This may be acceptable for a  
>>small sub-feature on a page, but not for the main focus of the page.
>>
>>
>>On Mar 4, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>1. I don't use IE.
>>>
>>>2. most people use IE, so, if something affect IE, it is affecting the
>>>vast mayority of users (no matter how fan I'am of firefox or linux).
>>>
>>>3. I don't know if is a must, all I'm saying is that having multiple
>>>scrollbars confuse people, all usability guys say that.
>>>
>>>
>>>/sak
>>>
>>>On 3/4/06, Mike Fedyk <mfedyk at mikefedyk.com> wrote:
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>saint, if you put a scrollable div, then it means there can be two
>>>>>vertical scroll bar, the browser one, and the div one...
>>>>>
>>>>>I think Brian is refering to the same, he just call this a "website
>>>>>within a website"...
>>>>>
>>>>>look at the following screenshot and you'll know what i'm talking  
>>>>>about...
>>>>>
>>>>>see ? there are two vertical scrollbar... the fundamental concept  
>>>>>of a
>>>>>"page" has been broken...
>>>>>
>>>>>"The appearance of multiple pairs of scrollbars affects usability,
>>>>>since users are essentially confused as to which scrollbars to use.
>>>>>Hiding these scrollbars has the effect of hiding all content that
>>>>>doesn't fit into the frame, thus seriously impacts users finding  
>>>>>their
>>>>>way around a website or finding the content they wanted."
>>>>>
>>>>>what you are doing is like putting a frame inside the main windows,
>>>>>jakob nielsen (*) say this about frames:
>>>>>http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>it evens happen to me (a supposedly experienced user), I want to see
>>>>>what others type of reports are below "Invoices by Accounts", then I
>>>>>rotate my mouse's wheel, only to find (confused) that I'am scrolling
>>>>>the graph part (which is not what I want)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>/sak
>>>>>(*) jacob nielsen is considered by many as the # 1 guru of web  
>>>>>usability.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>I'm sorry but I completely disagree.
>>>>
>>>>Having scrollable lists within the page is a must, and it aligns with
>>>>the target of adding more AJAX features into vtiger.  You *lose* the
>>>>concept of the page with AJAX, it is as simple as that.
>>>>
>>>>And if you are talking about how IE and many windows apps don't  
>>>>scroll
>>>>the window below the mouse pointer, then the bad usability is  
>>>>because of
>>>>IE and Windows.  This has been fixed for a long time in Firefox  
>>>>and in
>>>>Gnome (don't know about KDE, but probably there too).
>>>>      
>>>>
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