[Vtigercrm-developers] An Impassioned Plea froma VTiger Integrator

Thu Jul 20 10:50:43 PDT 2006

Hi all,

Although I'd really love to be able to just contribute features without 
having to re-integrate (into v5,) I agree with priorities and I'll 
second the addition of security to the list. Security through obscurity 
is bad enough, but with open source projects, it simply becomes security 
through ignorance. I certainly wouldn't trust vTiger's security in an 
environment where the data is actually confidential and a malicious or 
competitive party would stand to gain by accessing it illicitly.

I don't have the availability to co-ordinate things, but you can count 
on me for some quantity of bug-fixes, security patches, etc.

peace,
nokes

GIRONNAY Thibault wrote:
> Hi all,
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> Matjaz I’ll be with you and your team in your enterprise, I agree with 
> your priorities and have one another to add : the security. The 
> organisation sharing privileges for example is indeed totally an 
> illusion. It’s too easy too change those settings while not being admin 
> or to see all records even if the privileges are private. I think this 
> is very harmful to offer such buggy features and can discredit Vtiger 
> for the people who have interests in security.
> 
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> Hope we’ll have others hands up
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> cabugs
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> *De :* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com 
> [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] *De la part 
> de* Matjaz.Slak at atol.si
> *Envoyé :* mercredi 19 juillet 2006 16:46
> *À :* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
> *Objet :* Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] An Impassioned Plea froma VTiger 
> Integrator
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> Hi Richie and the rest of the team!
> 
> You address me correctly, Matjaz is my name :)
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> As I belive the 4.2.x stream is the current "production" vTiger 
> environment for most of the users, my primary goal would be to focus on:
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>     * debugging (fixing parts that either don't work at all and/or work
>       incorrectly)
>     * improving usability (based on feedback from users)
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> I would also like to try and get the following not-quite-features, maybe 
> bugs? implemented/fixed:
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>     * multilanguage support (simply get rid of any and all hard-coded
>       strings)
>     * full per user or at least per-system localization support (number
>       format, date format, currency support etc)
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> These two last items are - in my opinion - somewhere between debugging 
> and new features. vTiger is already supposed to support multiple 
> languages, however this support is not well implemented. The same can be 
> said for localization - vTiger is supposed to be able to support 
> per-user date format, but again there are areas where the implementation 
> is not as good as it could be.
> 
> Also, based on my researches into existing vTiger deployments, I see 
> there are a lot of non-english users, but they probably are using forked 
> code, as due to these two issues they cannot use the "official" 4.2.x 
> stream code. I would like to get these users back on the team, and I 
> know they might return only if we provide them with a 100% localisable 
> product. This will enable them to post the patches they make back to the 
> community or at least give them an opportunity to work with us on 
> resolving them.
> 
> I would try and keep us on this track, rather than go try implement new 
> features and make large changes to UI - the place for these is v5.
> 
> 
> To achieve this, I would first gather any and all contributions 
> currently lying around (in the forum, as provided by other people here 
> etc.) - matching the categories above - and start the process of getting 
> them in the code. *I would like to see a show of hands* from people that 
> would be prepared to devote some time to debugging/updating tthese 
> contributions - as some might need an update. I know me and my 
> colleagues in our company will.
> 
> If all goes well, we could try and implement a regular timeline (say 
> every month) when we would be releasing point versions. If I get at 
> least two or three people to help, I guess we could have our first 
> result (4.2.5 I guess) in two months.
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> I think there will be people using the 4.2.x stream for at least a year 
> after v5 is released, and that if we as a team show them we are 
> supporting them, than they will upgrade to v5 -> if we don't they might 
> start looking elsewhere.
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> *Thoughts, anyone?*
> 
> 
> Matjaz Slak
> matjaz.slak at atol.si
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> Atol d.o.o.  |  http://www.atol.si  |  tel. +386 1 510 15 30
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> *Richie <richie at vtiger.com>*
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> 17.07.2006 16:57
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> Hi Matjaz!
> I hope I am addressing you properly if not please forgive me and direct 
> to the proper mode of addressing.
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> If you are game then great!
> Welcome to the club.
> Please select your stand-in helper so that at least we have a backup for 
> Linus Matjaz. Let me know and I will grant you the relevant access.
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> It would be nice if you could briefly state how you plan to address the
> disparate contributions. This is just to get an idea as there are lots 
> of data floating around in the code contributions and mailing lists; 
> wanted to know if you have any specific plan. I will be busy with the v5 
> release and will not be able to help you much so the query.
> I was earlier integrating it 1 by 1 till 4.2.3 and we do have a wiki 
> page which reflects the status of the contributions. I am not sure if 
> that is updated till the 4.2.4 release though. 
> http://www.vtiger.com/wiki/index.php/Vtiger_CRM_Code_Contributions
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> Allan, any tips from you will be nice.
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> Richie
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> ---- Sergio A. Kessler<sergiokessler at gmail.com> wrote ----
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> On 7/14/06, Matjaz.Slak at atol.si <Matjaz.Slak at atol.si> wrote:
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>>  Hi!
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>>  If there's no one else, I volunteer to be the v4 Linus.
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> just do it. ;-)
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> /sak
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