[Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger current status and call to action

Thu Nov 25 19:48:57 GMT 2021

sorry, I didn't mean to upset anybody. I was just giving an honest opinion
which (I think) totally relates to the thread. But it's ok, I won't insist.

I don't think allowing everybody to merge fixes is a good idea. Maybe 1 or
2 volunteers would be a good idea. That person should be knowledgeable and
experienced in Vtiger. I would think of Alan Lord for example. But he would
need to be willing to do it, which I'm not sure about, since that can take
quite some time.

Saludos

Rubén

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:02 PM Angelo Paglialonga <
info at angelopaglialonga.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruben, the main topic here is about how to make vtiger better by
> allowing the community to be more proactive and free to merge fixes and
> features by ourselves, it’s not about switching to other crm, could you
> open a separate thread for that?
> Thank you
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> Il giorno 25 nov 2021, alle ore 18:53, Rubén A. Estrada Orozco <
> rulotec1 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> I think  the answer is yes. They will allow us to implement things. I've
> implemented features in the past that have been merged.
> But I feel the thing right now is that they are not really devoting enough
> human resources to do it.
>
> Uma and Prasad have been pretty much absent in the past few months. I'm
> not sure whether they are working on something related to the open source
> project or not. It would be pretty useful to have a clear sense of what's
> going on in the project, generally speaking. But the fact is: I have really
> no idea.
>
> I was talking about YetiForce because I have seen them do daily commits
> and by looking at the source code, just at first glance, it really looks
> cleaner (there are studies that show that code cleanliness regarding
> indentation, naming conventions, etc., is inversely correlated to bugs. The
> cleaner the code, the less bugs you'll find). In the case of vtiger, the
> commits are very sparse. However, it seems that Vtiger's user base is still
> larger than that of  Yeti. If you take a look at the weekly downloads in
> sourceforge, Vtiger is above 1K, wherass Yeti is below 100. In my
> particular case I would have to migrate many modules that I've been
> developing over the years, and that's what really stops me from switching.
>
> Angelo, you say you tried other options. What stops you from switching?
>
> I would be very interested in hearing other opinions. Please share your
> thoughts, everyone.
>
> Saludos
>
> Rubén
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 11:22 AM Angelo Paglialonga <
> info at angelopaglialonga.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rubén, yes I played with their demo a bit and with others crm too,
>> like Vte crm, corebos and so on, they derive from some version of vtiger.
>> We can make a wishlist of things these crm have and vtiger hasn’t , but
>> step 1 is:
>> would vtiger team allow us to implement those features or not?
>>
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>>
>> Angelo Paglialonga
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>>
>>
>> Il giorno 25 nov 2021, alle ore 17:36, Rubén A. Estrada Orozco <
>> rulotec1 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>> Angelo,
>>
>> Have you considered YetiForce?
>>
>> Anybody else, have you considered or tried (or even switched to)
>> YetiForce? What are the pros/cons of YetiForce in comparison to vtiger?
>>
>> Saludos
>>
>> Rubén
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 8:58 AM Vincenzo Bruno <v.bruno at vinsoft.it>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Il 25/11/21 11:42, Angelo Paglialonga ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hi Vincenzo, thank you!
>>> You can get involved here: https://code.vtiger.com/vtiger/vtigercrm
>>> I’ll wait for your fixes and new features proposals!
>>>
>>> Without a username and password on code.vtiger.com I can't even clone
>>> the repo...
>>>
>>>
>>> Vincenzo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Angelo
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>>>
>>> Angelo Paglialonga
>>> Consulente per soluzioni CRM ad alto ROI.
>>>
>>> Telefono: 3386077866
>>> Skype: angelo.paglialonga
>>> Web: https://www.angelopaglialonga.com
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>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 25 nov 2021, alle ore 11:30, Vincenzo Bruno <
>>> v.bruno at vinsoft.it> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hi Angelo,
>>> I fully agree with you.
>>> Unfortunately my journey in your plan ends at Step 1 because I'm not yet
>>> in the Git.
>>> I'm happy to contribute if I can, so I ask Vtiger staff to allow me in
>>> the code server.
>>>
>>> Vincenzo
>>>
>>> Il 25/11/21 10:27, Angelo Paglialonga ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hi @all, this is the current status of vtiger open source , in my point
>>> of view:
>>>
>>> I had quite a few customers who simply ran away from vtiger open source
>>> because of the bugs and lack useful features vtiger competitors already
>>> have out of the box.
>>>
>>> *You may think they ran away from vtiger open source to vtiger on
>>> demand, but no, because of the bad experience they don’t trust vtiger brand
>>> anymore and go to Vtiger competitors.*
>>>
>>> You may think again, we as developers, can get paid for fixing bugs and
>>> for introducing custom modules, or even module replacements, but in the
>>> long game this is plain wrong even from an economic point of view, because
>>> bugs and lack of basic features scare away very good customers, those with
>>> big deals and big ideas to implement  in a crm project.
>>>
>>> Vtiger open source customers are not the same customers who buy vtiger
>>> cloud subscription, even if on vtiger.com the access to opensource
>>> download is almost hidden!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve jobs said : "We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to
>>> win, Microsoft has to lose." - Steve Jobs, Macworld Expo Boston keynote,
>>> 1997
>>>
>>> *I think this quote can be rewritten like this: vtiger open source
>>> doesn’t have to suck so vtiger cloud can win, because we can both win.*
>>>
>>> This email is not just a way to complain pointlessly, the objective is
>>> to invite vtiger community and vtiger team to take action together!
>>>
>>> STEP 1:
>>>
>>> If you, vtiger team, don’t have time to merge bug fixes, engage in
>>> conversations with vtiger community on git, review and merge new
>>> functionalities as fast as they come on git,
>>> just let us do it, please.
>>>
>>> STEP 2:
>>>
>>> Vtiger community please submit on git all bugs you want to get fixed,
>>> all the features you think could help develop vtiger extending modules
>>> instead of replacing vtiger modules, anything to help closing the gap
>>> between vtiger open source and its competitors.
>>>
>>> STEP 3:
>>> vtiger community please help with development of anything set in STEP 2,
>>> if I fix something and you fix something else we both win, it’s the same
>>> for new functionalities.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, @all what do you think?
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Angelo Paglialonga
>>> Consulente per soluzioni CRM ad alto ROI.
>>>
>>> Telefono: 3386077866
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Vincenzo Bruno (cell. 328-7252923)
>>> Coopyleft (www.vinsoft.it/coopyleft)
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