[Vtigercrm-developers] YetiForce 0.0.3 and other forks

Tue Oct 14 11:19:01 GMT 2014

I completely understand the reluctance of Vtiger towards our YetiForce, we
will be competitors in the future (now it's too early to name us this way).
Vtiger won't transfer any functions from our YetiForce, even if the
community needs them. They seem to move to the direction of complete CRM
commercialization ignoring the community and moving away the on demand
version from the open source version more and more. The current increase in
Vtiger's popularity isn't the result of its last changes but it rather
results from changes in SugarCRM, which decided to resign from the
community version.

I also fully understand Alan Lord who by accident earned "a few dollars"
more on advertising that is offered "by force" in the 6.1 version. Although
he is pressured by next "brilliant" modules, he doesn't help the community
this way but harms it. Frankly speaking, I don't understand your aggression
towards us, in particular, because it was always us who supported you, but
you have never supported us.

You prefer to talk for a few days about the functionality that we give it
to you on the plate. It's enough to copy it but you prefer to reinvent the
wheel. It's even better to talk about an error for a few days and, in fact,
this error can be checked within 15 minutes, but no one from people who
discuss it is eager to do that. The list with changes that in most cases is
helpful for everyone and can be deployed into Vtiger is just a spam for you
and muscles in on your private actions. You have so many interesting
subjects here, that there is no place for any other subjects. I feel really
sorry for you.

I wish you all a nice day and a lot of joy

Z poważaniem / Regards
Błażej Pabiszczak
M: +48.884999123
E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl

2014-10-14 7:28 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com>:

> Hi Chris,
>
> *The open source version is the best advertising you can get for the
>> OnDemand version.*
>
>
> +1. We see it the same way. On Demand success rides on the strength of the
> open source version.
>
> But, looking at the other side of the coin, we see that On Demand product
> development is boosting our open source forward.
>
> CRM is only a tool. Lot else goes into making it beneficial for a
> business. With On Demand a lot of our time goes into helping customers with
> implementations. During this process, we found that we need to make the UI
> simpler, and brought those enhancements to 6.0 version of open source. The
> quest for simpler UI is an ongoing exercise. For example, in 6.1, you see
> that lists now have a easy search boxes. Many of these enhancements are
> coming from the On Demand engineering work.
>
> Vtiger open source has a lot of features already from workflows, to
> reports, to role-based access control, to inventory management to project
> management. We are focusing on improving the usability of these.
>
> *Many people cannot use the OnDemand version, for example us, we are a
>> government agency that hosts sensitive information.*
>
>
> We will continue to invest in APIs and developer resources to make Vtiger
> CRM open source the platform-of-choice for on-premise installations. Over
> 20,000 hours of engineering work has gone into 6.0 and 6.1 versions. We are
> excited about the open source future. Today, we made our mobile apps free
> for iphone and android, both for open source and on demand users.
>
> *It is very obvious the open source version of VTiger sadly lags behind
>> OnDemand in both features and fixes....*While I can understand the idea
>> behind running 2 different versions I believe the logic is flawed, and this
>> is why...
>
>
> I commented on this in earlier posts. On Demand gives us the luxury of
> deploying weekly updates. With open source, releasing a version once every
> 6 months is  too much to handle for clients since upgrades are a delicate
> task. We still try to release once every 6 months and include all bug fixes
> that are available from on demand. When it comes to releasing new features
> to open source, our approach is to enable a marketplace where clients can
> get features that are well supported by their developers. We will continue
> to bring core platform enhancements to facilitate new feature development.
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Hamono, Chris (DPC) <
> Chris.Hamono at sa.gov.au> wrote:
>
>> My 2c worth
>>
>>
>>
>> It is very obvious the open source version of VTiger sadly lags behind
>> OnDemand in both features and fixes.
>>
>>
>>
>> OnDemand is designed for profit and that’s great. The core developers
>> need to earn a wage for their hard work! It is seen as necessary to have a
>> better version as the paid version. Why else would people use it if they
>> could just run up a local copy.
>>
>>
>>
>> While I can understand the idea behind running 2 different versions I
>> believe the logic is flawed, and this is why...
>>
>>
>>
>> Two versions create angst. Just read this mailing list to see that.
>>
>> Two versions stop developers from contributing. I have tried but it’s too
>> hard.
>>
>> Therefore angry developers create forks.
>>
>> Forks reduce the number of active developers, they are now spread across
>> multiple projects.
>>
>> Many people cannot use the OnDemand version, for example us, we are a
>> government agency that hosts sensitive information.
>>
>> Too many forks are confusing for users – which fork has the best support,
>> which fork has the function they need?
>>
>>
>>
>> And finally
>>
>> The audience for OnDemand and open-source are different markets. They
>> barely overlap, but they do listen to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> What this means is you actually get fewer customers using OnDemand than
>> you would if there was only one version and a happy community.
>>
>>
>>
>> The *perceived* risk is. If there was only one version, then other people
>> would create their own OnDemand instances and therefore reduce profit by
>> taking customers. While that is true to a point it is wrong to see it as a
>> weakness. It is actually a strength. Customers who are willing to pay for
>> OnDemand will prefer to use the version created by the original developers.
>> Therefore vtiger.com will always be the most popular.
>>
>>
>>
>> The open source version is the best advertising you can get for the
>> OnDemand version.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s. now can we get back to fixing real problems like the workflow
>> problem I have mentioned?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:
>> vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] *On Behalf Of *PlaymaN
>> Tepes
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 October 2014 6:03 AM
>> *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] YetiForce 0.0.3
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 to Alan and Matteo.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-10-13 19:26 GMT+02:00 Manuel Fernando <ptdesigner at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Yes, and good things came out last year and some others, i believe are
>> coming, so, keep your good work Vtiger team.
>>
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