[Vtigercrm-developers] Licensing issues with GPL (was sharing realworld test)

Thu May 22 09:37:01 GMT 2014

Please update - http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8068

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On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com> wrote:

> If GPL owner doesn't grant liberty over license - we have less option than
> to drop it.
> I assume your lang-pack is less restrictive - please clarify.
>
> We will move to less-restrictive libraries and then be more selective
> with integration + licensing.
>
> Regards,
> Prasad
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> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Pabiszczak, Błażej <
> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> wrote:
>
>>
>>    1.
>>    http://trac.vtiger.com/svn/vtiger/vtigercrm/branches/6.1.0/libraries/magpierss/rss_cache.inc (and
>>    releated files)
>>    2. FreeFont use GPL
>>    3. Our Lang Pack have GPL.
>>    4. etc.
>>
>> Z poważaniem / Regards
>> Błażej Pabiszczak
>> M: +48.884999123
>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>>
>>
>> 2014-05-22 10:37 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>:
>>
>>>  Prasad is correct. TCPDF is LGPL and, thus, it is not in conflict. In
>>> that case I would say that the only GPL library present is AjaxLoader
>>> (qqUploader) in MailManager. So it should be rather easy to get rid of that
>>> dependency.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/05/14 10:26, Joe Bordes wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, vtiger already uses other libraries, and they SHOULD get rid of
>>> them, it is incorrect. The thing is that unless you hit onto something like
>>> facebook, nobody comes asking. If/When vtiger hits onto a gold mine,
>>> somebody will call a lawyer, in the mean time, you just keep trying to make
>>> a living...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/05/14 10:19, Pabiszczak, Błażej wrote:
>>>
>>> We create 4 module (OSS Mail) and only first module have GPL license,
>>> other tools dont use roudcube (other licenses). Vtiger use many libraries
>>> like TCPDF on GNU licenses.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Z poważaniem / Regards
>>> Błażej Pabiszczak
>>> M: +48.884999123
>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-05-22 9:59 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>:
>>>
>>>>  Correct. In fact you would see yourself forced to change the license
>>>> on the whole product and make it GPL. In fact that is what may be happening
>>>> to your own integrated roundcube extension....
>>>>
>>>> Another option would be that vtiger changed the license to support dual
>>>> licensing, then, with a LOT of care and conditions, you could have both
>>>> together. It is a REALLY tricky thing and I think vtiger does correctly in
>>>> staying away from the problems, albeit the inconveniences....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22/05/14 09:24, Matteo Baranzoni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think GPL it's not compatible with VPL....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-05-22 9:18 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak, Błażej <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> And what is the problem?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Z poważaniem / Regards
>>>>> Błażej Pabiszczak
>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  2014-05-22 4:42 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  RoundCube is under GPL License which is strict to grow OpenSource.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>> Prasad
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Pabiszczak, Błażej <
>>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Poorly you did, that you wrote your own email client. Why did not
>>>>>>> you use roundcube?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Z poważaniem / Regards
>>>>>>> Błażej Pabiszczak
>>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  2014-05-21 6:20 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Błażej,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Contributions welcome.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Pabiszczak, Błażej <
>>>>>>>> b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you do not use the mail module, so you do not
>>>>>>>>> know how it works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Z poważaniem / Regards
>>>>>>>>> Błażej Pabiszczak
>>>>>>>>> M: +48.884999123
>>>>>>>>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-20 16:12 GMT+02:00 Prasad <prasad at vtiger.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Bastiaan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Thank you for sharing the feedback - its always different to
>>>>>>>>>> think like customer than developer.
>>>>>>>>>>  UX plays a vital role and one of the key reasons why Vtiger 6
>>>>>>>>>> Platform was built for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  We will continue to improve usability.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Zebra Hosting <
>>>>>>>>>> support at zebrahosting.eu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Just sharing a little test I did with  secretary who is doing
>>>>>>>>>>> some customer contact and never worked with a CRM.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I asked her to open the mail manager and answer emails like
>>>>>>>>>>> she normally does. (IMAP connected)
>>>>>>>>>>> First thing she tried was open en email and  looking for ways to
>>>>>>>>>>> move it to a folder (not possible in open mail)
>>>>>>>>>>> Then closed the mail, tried to drag it over to a folder (drag
>>>>>>>>>>> and drop not supported)
>>>>>>>>>>> Then saw that she first have to click the checkbox, open a drop
>>>>>>>>>>> down and select a folder.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3 steps and she gave up and went back to her mail client.
>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn’t work when you do hundreds of mails a day.
>>>>>>>>>>> People get used to modern GUI’s with HTML5, might be time to
>>>>>>>>>>> think about if for the next version.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  So yes, it is sometimes good, not to think like a developer
>>>>>>>>>>> but just see normal user working to learn about your GUI…..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Bastiaan Houtkooper
>>>>>>>>>>>  Zebra Hosting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>> Un saludo
>>> Joe
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>>>
>>>
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>>> Joe
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