[Vtigercrm-developers] license comments
Joe Bordes
joe at tsolucio.com
Sun Mar 30 23:02:00 GMT 2014
You have to be careful with this. Although most of the world works on
"bona fides", not everybody does and you could have problems or pass on
problems to somebody.
For example, in Europe legislation (and US and probably the majority of
the planet) if you do not say anything about your license, and do not
license your creation, by default your intellectual property rights are
COMPLETE, that means that it is distributed under the most restrictive
copyright distribution of all; nobody can touch the code.
IANAL, but I would really recommend you do not create yourself a
license, use one of the many that already exist, they were created by
lawyers and they know what they are doing (I hope :-) ). Also consult a
lawyer to undertand the different licenses out there and pick one that
you are comfortable with.
Just my opinion
Joe
TSolucio
El 30/03/14 20:27, Pabiszczak, B?az.ej escribió:
> We have no name for the license (just our license), tomorrow I will
> give licenses to translate and you send it in English. We have liberal
> views :]
>
> This is my translate :P
>
> You can do what you want with our module for testing. If You buy,
> You can do what you want with code (1 license = 1 customer (you
> can have many servers like test, prod, dev, lab etc.). You can
> sell our module for Yours clients, but You need pay for every
> customer and send us info about customer (we create internal
> license). You must leave information about the author.
>
>
> The license is lifetime. Free access to update lasts for only a
> year, after one year, the cost of renovation is 50% of the module.
>
>
> Z powaz.aniem / Regards
> B?az.ej Pabiszczak
> M: +48.884999123
> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
>
>
> 2014-03-30 20:01 GMT+02:00
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> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 20:01:29 +0200
> From: Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>
> To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
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> Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger CRM 5 Long Time Support ::
> coreBOS
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> Yes, if possible. Just curious...
>
>
> El 30/03/14 19:55, Pabiszczak, B?az.ej escribi?:
> > Good question :P You wanna name of license (like GPL, VPL, etc)?
> >
> > Z powaz.aniem / Regards
> > B?az.ej Pabiszczak
> > M: +48.884999123
> > E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
> >
> >
> > 2014-03-30 19:44 GMT+02:00 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com
> <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>
> > <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>>:
> >
> > What license is that?
> >
> > Joe
> > TSolucio
> >
> >
> > El 30/03/14 19:37, Pabiszczak, B?az.ej escribi?:
> >> You can do what you want with our module for testing.
> >> If You buy, You can do what you want with code (1 license = 1
> >> customer (you can have many servers like test, prod, dev,
> lab etc.).
> >> You can sell our module for Yours clients, but You need pay for
> >> every customer and send us info about customer (we create
> >> internal license).
> >>
> >> Z powaz.aniem / Regards
> >> B?az.ej Pabiszczak
> >> M: +48.884999123
> >> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-03-30 19:31 GMT+02:00 socialboostdk
> <socialboostdk at gmail.com <mailto:socialboostdk at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:socialboostdk at gmail.com
> <mailto:socialboostdk at gmail.com>>>:
> >>
> >> Ok - sounds exciting!
> >>
> >> I of course understands that there is a license-fee,
> but will
> >> it be closed or open source? I use a heavily modified
> version
> >> of vtiger (6) and generally need to be able to modify the
> >> modules I use.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30 March 2014 19:25, Pabiszczak, B?az.ej
> >> <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> We publish 10-15 modules in next week on our site.
> >>
> >> Z powaz.aniem / Regards
> >> B?az.ej Pabiszczak
> >> M: +48.884999123 <tel:%2B48.884999123>
> >> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-03-29 22:42 GMT+01:00 socialboostdk
> >> <socialboostdk at gmail.com
> <mailto:socialboostdk at gmail.com> <mailto:socialboostdk at gmail.com
> <mailto:socialboostdk at gmail.com>>>:
> >>
> >> Hi B?az.ej,
> >>
> >> Valid points. Are those modules available somehow?
> >> Ie. can they be purchased, and would the license
> >> allow for me to edit the source?
> >>
> >> OSSMail looks very interesting but I need some
> other
> >> functionality also, which I could do myself.
> >>
> >> :) Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29 March 2014 18:04, Pabiszczak, B?az.ej
> >> <b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
> >> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> In my opinion you have done wrong. Why?
> >>
> >> * You use a ten-year architecture (from 6
> >> months is new)
> >> * You create Vtiger fork (it takes a lot of
> >> people and a lot of time, How many
> >> programmers You have (3-5?)? You need
> 15 and
> >> a lot of money).
> >> * We have OSSMail (like
> >> yours coreBOSMail), which has more options
> >> and is 100% integrated with Vtiger
> (modifying
> >> only 3 system files in version 6.1 will not
> >> have to modify any).
> >> * LTS is expensive to maintain and slows the
> >> progression! (for large customers we offer
> >> SLAs for versions 5.4).
> >>
> >> Currently we have 30 working modules for Vtiger
> >> 6. Our company began to migrate to version
> 6 over
> >> 9 months ago! We understand your decisions, but
> >> making a mistake that you do this on
> version 5.4
> >> and not 6.0.
> >>
> >> And what would happen if our common system was
> >> developed by Team Vtiger (Vtiger 6), and
> >> companies like yours and my (&others), have
> >> joined forces (how will work mail module, if we
> >> built it together with *VTIGER TEAM*)?.
> >>
> >> *Together, we are able to offer more! Together
> >> with Vtiger Team! Many companies do not
> >> understand how many loses does not work
> together!*
> >>
> >> Sorry for my EN :(
> >>
> >> Z powaz.aniem / Regards
> >> B?az.ej Pabiszczak
> >> M: +48.884999123 <tel:%2B48.884999123>
> >> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
> >> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-03-29 16:32 GMT+01:00 Joe Bordes
> >> <joe at tsolucio.com <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>
> <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>>:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I agree, in major part I am totally
> with you.
> >> There has been a LOT of debating going on
> >> around here before we took this step.
> >> I understand your programmers (I am
> one) and
> >> that is fine with me. I encourage you to
> >> continue to support VT6, that is the way to
> >> go. We are catering to the part of
> community
> >> and users who want to push VT5 a little
> >> further, we want to control our destiny.
> >>
> >> coreBOS WILL have something special,
> give us
> >> a little time, we just started :-)
> >>
> >> Joe
> >> TSolucio
> >>
> >>
> >> El 28/03/14 09:24, Pabiszczak, B?az.ej
> escribi?:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> Vtiger 5.4 is old architecture, none
> of our
> >>> programmer does not want to return to it.
> >>> Does coreBOS have something special?
> >>> On your website, I only see the
> integration
> >>> of roundcube, the rest of the links do
> not work.
> >>>
> >>> Z powaz.aniem / Regards
> >>> B?az.ej Pabiszczak
> >>> M: +48.884999123 <tel:%2B48.884999123>
> >>> E: b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>
> >>> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl
> <mailto:b.pabiszczak at opensaas.pl>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2014-03-27 17:24 GMT+01:00 Joe Bordes
> >>> <joe at tsolucio.com
> <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com> <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com
> <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>>>:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> This post is to announce the
> creation of
> >>> the coreBOS project. coreBOS
> starts from
> >>> the rich inheritance of vtiger CRM
> 5.4.
> >>> with intention to give support to the
> >>> big user and developer base for 5.x.
> >>>
> >>> During the birth of this project the
> >>> first name that was given to it was
> >>> vt5LTS, borrowing the name from
> Ubuntu,
> >>> that stands for vtiger CRM 5 Long Time
> >>> Support, but we didn't want to
> conflict
> >>> with vtiger name branding nor create
> >>> conflict in any way in the
> developer and
> >>> user community. Also we understand
> that
> >>> we will quickly drift away from vtiger
> >>> CRM line of action and be something
> >>> else, so we thought that the name
> didn't
> >>> make justice to all the potential
> we see
> >>> in the project and where we want
> to take
> >>> it. We saw a near future where coreBOS
> >>> would have it's own merits and reasons
> >>> to stand tall for it's own right so we
> >>> gave it a name and started our
> adventure.
> >>>
> >>> We aren't creating this project out of
> >>> disrespect or spite, we do not have a
> >>> bad relation with the vtiger
> company nor
> >>> with the community, we plan to keep
> >>> investing time in vtiger CRM 6 and
> >>> future releases, although it will be
> >>> less than what we have done for
> the 5.x
> >>> branch.
> >>>
> >>> In fact I have to admit that I like a
> >>> lot of things I see in vtiger CRM
> 6 and
> >>> will most probably downgrade some of
> >>> them, I think vtiger is going down the
> >>> right track with VT6 and with the
> change
> >>> in community support of the past weeks
> >>> (incredible!!).
> >>>
> >>> For more information, please come to
> >>> http://corebos.tsolucio.com/
> >>>
> >>> We invite you to join us :-)
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Joe
> >>> TSolucio
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.vtiger.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
>
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