[Vtigercrm-developers] LANCER : Home page UI - Revised

[Nicholas Chan]

Hi there,

I will have to agree that we shouldn't use technology for technology's sake.
Being part of a company that has an entire division that focuses on fixing
and solving user interfacing issues, I would have to agree wholeheartedly
that doing something just "because we can ("tech superior") and the others
are losers (ie. The rest of the world) if they still use IE, the inferior
browser which has over 90% of the market but it still cannot beat us, the
Firefox elite" is not going to bring a technically superior product to the
masses.

The concept of working on opensource is great, but to make something that
the masses will use, we would have to understand that the success of any
good software lies on being as simple and idiot-proof as possible to
use/install.
 
PS. Sorry for contributing only now, my usability team and I have been tied
up with projects all the way till May.

-----Original Message-----
From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com
[mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of
Sergio A. Kessler
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:09 PM
To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] LANCER : Home page UI - Revised

1. I don't use IE.

2. most people use IE, so, if something affect IE, it is affecting the
vast mayority of users (no matter how fan I'am of firefox or linux).

3. I don't know if is a must, all I'm saying is that having multiple
scrollbars confuse people, all usability guys say that.


/sak

On 3/4/06, Mike Fedyk <mfedyk at mikefedyk.com> wrote:
> Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
>
> >saint, if you put a scrollable div, then it means there can be two
> >vertical scroll bar, the browser one, and the div one...
> >
> >I think Brian is refering to the same, he just call this a "website
> >within a website"...
> >
> >look at the following screenshot and you'll know what i'm talking
about...
> >
> >see ? there are two vertical scrollbar... the fundamental concept of a
> >"page" has been broken...
> >
> >"The appearance of multiple pairs of scrollbars affects usability,
> >since users are essentially confused as to which scrollbars to use.
> >Hiding these scrollbars has the effect of hiding all content that
> >doesn't fit into the frame, thus seriously impacts users finding their
> >way around a website or finding the content they wanted."
> >
> >what you are doing is like putting a frame inside the main windows,
> >jakob nielsen (*) say this about frames:
> >http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html
> >
> >
> >it evens happen to me (a supposedly experienced user), I want to see
> >what others type of reports are below "Invoices by Accounts", then I
> >rotate my mouse's wheel, only to find (confused) that I'am scrolling
> >the graph part (which is not what I want)
> >
> >
> >/sak
> >(*) jacob nielsen is considered by many as the # 1 guru of web usability.
> >
> >
> I'm sorry but I completely disagree.
>
> Having scrollable lists within the page is a must, and it aligns with
> the target of adding more AJAX features into vtiger.  You *lose* the
> concept of the page with AJAX, it is as simple as that.
>
> And if you are talking about how IE and many windows apps don't scroll
> the window below the mouse pointer, then the bad usability is because of
> IE and Windows.  This has been fixed for a long time in Firefox and in
> Gnome (don't know about KDE, but probably there too).

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