[Vtigercrm-developers] Can we release 4.2.4 already?

[Joel Rydbeck]

Richie,
 
I think its important to voice in here on this topic.  CRM systems are complex to install and integrate into organizations (and I don't mean technically, process wise they are a very big change).  That said, the shift from vTigerCRM version 4.x to 5.x is very dramatic (e.g. entirely new UI, etc.).  To expect users to stay on the latest and greatest --particularly when it hasn't yet been released does not work in most industries.  Once an organization has a solution in place that works, they typically don't like to move from that until feature set requires them to do so.  The expense to re-train employees is often significant.
 
That said, if vTigerCRM would like to establish a place for itself in the enterprise, its important that legacy product (and I think its important to acknowledge that 4.2.3 is still the latest stable release) continue to be supported.  There are still a lot of Apache 1.3 users out there even though 2.0 has been out for years.  There's a lot of money in legacy support.
 
My customer base just got aclimated to the 4.2.x release, I'm not about to change everything on them just to put them on 5.  From a business standpoint it just doesn't make sense.  Long term there are some great new features we would like to migrate to, but until the cost to migrate makes business sense I have no intention of forcing them up just to keep up with the latest & greatest.
 
Regards,
 
- Joel

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From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Richie
Sent: Fri 6/2/2006 7:16 AM
To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] Can we release 4.2.4 already?


Hi Team! 

Allan, I just now saw your mail. I had taken the day off so the delay. 
Thanks for taking the initiative. I have a few questions though. 

I would like to understand how vtigercrm-4.2.4 will be useful in the long run? 
We have vtigercrm 5 beta out already and in a month's time, we will give out the Release version. Even in the Beta, we have the migration support so all those who are in the 4.2.x series can directly migrate. 

Kindly clarify. 
I would request that we have this sorted out and then go for a 4.2.4 release please. 

At the time, the issue of 4.2.4 was raised, I do understand it was pertinent as v5 was still a long way to go. But now, do you still feel it is pertinent? 

Richie 






---- Allan Bush<allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com> wrote ---- 



	Thanks guys,
	
	I've tagged and exported 4.2.4 (without changes) and it's ready to go.
	I also created some release notes, attached to this email if anyone
	has any input on them.
	
	I sent this information along with the packaged release to richie but
	as he seems to be unresponsive on this release I'm not counting on him
	to get it out in a timely manner. I'd like to put the release on the
	trac system, if the admin is alright with that please email me
	directly and I'll get you the files, if not I'll just attach it to the
	vtiger message board.
	
	On a side note the trac ticket system should be modified to remove
	4.2.4 as a milestone and add it as a version (and probably remove the
	4.2.4rc's well we're at it), if that can be done without messing up
	the existing tickets.
	
	Allan
	
	On 5/30/06, Jeff Kowalczyk <jtk at yahoo.com> wrote:
	> Brian Devendorf wrote:
	> > I would prefer 4.2.4 gets released, as 4.2.3 has so many known bugs.
	> > I think it would focus the bug reporting for vtiger 4 on the bugs
	> > that still exist in the product.
	>
	> Sure, its always good to have extra point releases to eliminate patch
	> trading. vtigercrm-4.2.5 will likely follow soon after.
	>
	> Based on past tags, our procedure was to put the branch in the exact form
	> used for release, then copy to a tag using the command:
	>
	> # svn cp (url)/vtigercrm/branches/4.2.4 (url)/vtigercrm/tags/vtigercrm-4.2.4 -m 'Tag 4.2.4 for release'
	>
	> Ideally (and we may not be there yet), a release fileset is a
	> vtigercrm-4.2.4.tar.gz and vtigercrm-4.2.4.zip made from:
	>
	> # svn export (url)vtigercrm/tags/vtigercrm-4.2.4
	>
	> With no post processing. I guess for .exe installers (if used), that's an
	> exeption to the rule.
	>
	> Unless there are any changes to forward port to branches/4.2, we finally
	> svn rm the branches/4.2.4.
	>
	> Thanks for doing the release, Allan.
	>
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