<div dir="ltr"><div>Tony,</div><div><br></div><div>Stay clam. We will have intermediate releases but regular fixes will be pushed to master. </div><div><br></div>Błażej,<div><br></div><div>You have every right to appreciate your work ...but sadly it is ending up as a side-tracking on each thread. While we reviewed the repository you pointed - seemed too much change to adopt and some design choices made still have limitations (like... duplication of code...) which brings in additional maintenance overhead. Each platform has a choice to make - I understand.</div><div><br></div><div>Vtiger 7 - will not have any major change in the design or backend framework.<br></div><div><br></div><div>PSR-4, Namespace.... and more such fancy additions will be part of our next framework.</div><div>Don't have much to talk on it as of now.</div><div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Prasad</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">--</div><div dir="ltr"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/vtiger" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">FB</a> I </span><a href="http://twitter.com/vtigercrm" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">Twit</a> I <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/1270573?trk=tyah" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">LIn</a> I <a href="https://blogs.vtiger.com" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">Blog</a> I <a href="https://www.vtiger.com/" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">Website</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<p lang="en-US"><span>First of all, Vtiger 6.5 includes just a few changes, and despite that, it has many imperfections and errors that people report here and in the forum. Above all you should implement unit tests that let you eliminate hundreds of duplicated errors, that can be caught easily. This is what <a href="https://travis-ci.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://travis-ci.org/</a> is for, and that's what you should do. We have ready scripts for communication with Travis CI in our GitHub, you are free to use them:</span></p>
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<p lang="en-US"><span><span><span>Thanks to that simple solution, when a programmer makes a mistake, then after a couple of minutes we know which part of the system stopped working and why. The more we develop unit tests, the faster stable versions will be released. I don't get why you haven't implemented that to Vtiger CE, maybe your OD version includes that, but I'm only interested in the CE version.</span></span></span></p>
<p lang="en-US"><span><span><span>Secondly, start making the programmers' jobs and lives easier, we rebuilt composer which resulted in:</span></span></span></p>
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<p lang="en-US"><span><span><span>It allows to completely eliminate include & require from the code [now it works in a way that file A loads file B, file B loads file C, file C loads A & B etc, and as a result one file might be included 100 times].</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span><span><span><span>Ready solution here: </span></span></span><a href="https://github.com/YetiForceCompany/YetiForceCRM/commit/824e6e653aeb83be90d93078a36430c1be5aeca9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span><span><span>https://github.com/YetiForceCompany/YetiForceCRM/commit/824e6e653aeb83be90d93078a36430c1be5aeca9</span></span></span></a><span><span><span> - we won't add it to <a href="http://code.vtiger.com" target="_blank">code.vtiger.com</a>, but you or some community member can.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p lang="en-US"><span><span><span>You can find many fixes like this one, but there's nobody to add them to Vtiger. Maybe it could be a good idea to permanently assign someone to introduce changes to Vtiger CE? At some point you were saying you had over 30 programmers, I think assigning 2 or 3 to the community should not do you any harm, it would actually have the opposite effect. Our company is 3 times smaller, and despite that, we can afford assigning programmers to develop the open source version.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>Another thing – have you seen what the Vtiger CE project looks like at <a href="https://insight.sensiolabs.com/projects/aadb38b7-ba8e-48c4-ae62-63b53e48877d/analyses/1" target="_blank">https://insight.sensiolabs.com/projects/aadb38b7-ba8e-48c4-ae62-63b53e48877d/analyses/1</a></span></span><span><span><span>? [Nb of violations: 32668]. Maybe it would be good to start fixing numerous programming errors, apart from just fixing the reported errors...</span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><strong><span><span><span>To sum up:</span></span></span></strong></span></p>
<p lang="en-US"><span><span><span>Prasad tell us what your actual plans are for the next year, two, or three. But don't tell us what phenomenal features will be included in Vtiger 7 in a year [even though it'll most likely appear in 2 years], just tell us what you wanna do today, tomorrow, next week. Unless you aim at keeping the communication and community as it is now...</span></span></span></p><span class="">
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<div>We have other staging servers to test the build or commits. <a href="http://demo.vtiger.com" target="_blank">demo.vtiger.com</a> is setup released builds.</div>
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<div>git clone of master / dev branch is so easy that eliminates needs of make the separate builds available and</div>
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<p>Why won't you take Vtiger to the next level, and start cooperating with other tools that are created to make apps develop properly, eg.:<br>1. <a href="https://travis-ci.org/" target="_blank">https://travis-ci.org/ </a> <br>2. <a href="https://insight.sensiolabs.com/" target="_blank">https://insight.sensiolabs.com/ </a> <br><br>So much can be improved, changed, automated. Why won't you help yourselves and the community?</p>
<p>Wouldn't it be easier to do what we did, namely Stable and Dev are downloaded directly from Git and refreshed. When you publish new versions in GitLab it will automatically appear at <a href="http://demo.vtiger.com" target="_blank">demo.vtiger.com</a>. The dev version that is updated let's say once a day, would give you a great opportunity to test the newly introduced changes.</p>
<p>How long does it take? Maybe one working day, and the mechanism would be useful for years, and would fix a bunch of problems related to testing new versions. You won't need Alpha, Beta, RC, etc versions, because the changes will be constantly available online.</p>
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<p>W dniu 2016-07-12 10:43, IT-Solutions4You napisał(a):</p>
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<blockquote style="padding:0px 0.4em;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:#1010ff;margin:0px"><span style="white-space:nowrap">PHP 7 itself new and take a while to stabilize</span></blockquote>
I agree, but you have put it in your official release, without any RC release any possibility to test it before.<br><br>
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No matter what you think, you have publish release that support PHP7. does it ?<br><br> Matus<br><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">Dňa 11. 7. 2016 o 14:02 Prasad napísal(a):</span>
<blockquote style="padding:0px 0.4em;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:#1010ff;margin:0px"><span style="white-space:nowrap">Tony,</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">Isolating configuration issue is not an easy task due to possible</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">permutations.</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">Each issue need to be analyzed before dealing to fix it.</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">Btw... PHP 7 itself new and take a while to stabilize. I'm sure most of the</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">setup is still on PHP 5.x</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">--</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">FB <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/vtiger" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/vtiger</a>> I Twit</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"><<a href="http://twitter.com/vtigercrm" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/vtigercrm</a>> I LIn</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"><<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/1270573?trk=tyah" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/1270573?trk=tyah</a>> I Blog</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"><<a href="https://blogs.vtiger.com" target="_blank">https://blogs.vtiger.com</a>> I Website <<a href="https://www.vtiger.com/" target="_blank">https://www.vtiger.com/</a>></span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap">On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Tony Sandman</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"><<a href="mailto:tonysandman999@gmail.com" target="_blank">tonysandman999@gmail.com</a></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"><mailto:<a href="mailto:tonysandman999@gmail.com" target="_blank">tonysandman999@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> > Highlights:</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> *</span><br><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> * PHP 7 compatibility</span><br><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Probably you guys doing something wrong</span><br><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Tony</span><br><br><br><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Marco Hagen | agilis GmbH</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <<a href="mailto:marco.hagen@agilisgmbh.com" target="_blank">marco.hagen@agilisgmbh.com</a></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <mailto:<a href="mailto:marco.hagen@agilisgmbh.com" target="_blank">marco.hagen@agilisgmbh.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> We´ve Problems with importing Modules if PHP is on Version 7.____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> If we change to PHP5.6 – all works fine.____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> __ __</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Any Ideas?____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> __ __</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> *Von:<a href="mailto:*vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">*vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com</a></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com</a>></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com</a></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com</a>>]</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> *Im Auftrag von *Prasad</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. Juli 2016 11:18</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> *An:*</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <a href="mailto:vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com</a></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com</a>></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> *Betreff:* [Vtigercrm-developers] Vtiger CRM 6.5.0 GA Released____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> __ __</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Dear members,____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> __ __</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> We are happy to announce the release of 6.5.0 GA. This release</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> primarily comprises of contributions from the community. It</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> closes 40+ issues, and includes 45+ merge requests.____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> __ __</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Highlights:____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> * Portal password encryption____</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> * PHP 7 compatibility____</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> * MySQL (STRICT_TRANS_TABLE) compatibility (default in 5.6.x)____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> We like to make special mention for security advisories who</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> worked with us to close few gaps related to XSS, Authenticated</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> file-upload vulnerabilities.____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> * Dennis of Dety____</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> * Tomotaka of JPCERT____</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> * Sebastian Haas of <a href="http://sebastianhaas.de" target="_blank">sebastianhaas.de</a> <<a href="http://sebastianhaas.de" target="_blank">http://sebastianhaas.de</a>>____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Thanks to all the community members for the active participation</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> and playing major role in this release.____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> __ __</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Please report issues or feedback at <a href="http://code.vtiger.com" target="_blank">code.vtiger.com</a></span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <<a href="http://code.vtiger.com" target="_blank">http://code.vtiger.com</a>>____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> __ __</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Regards, ____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Prasad____</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Vtiger Team____</span><br><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> ------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> mit kommunikativen Grüßen aus Mödling,</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Marco Hagen// Director Marketing & Sales/</span><br><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> Marco Hagen</span><br><span style="white-space:nowrap"> *agilis GmbH - 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