<div dir="ltr">Prasad, I think Preexo have all the reason to ask a deep detailed roadmap. <div>We really need to plan our work for the future.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-04 11:35 GMT+02:00 Preexo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:preexo@googlemail.com" target="_blank">preexo@googlemail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Prasad,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your input and participation in this topic. I appreciate it<br>
very much and I think vtiger should more often take a leading role in this<br>
kind of discussions, I am sure it would make everyone feel more relaxed<br>
about the future of vtiger open source. Your answer with the roadmap is a<br>
great start!<br>
<br>
But... you summarized a bit too much, I am missing some important deatails.<br>
I understand that everyone is busy and you are also fed up with the open<br>
source community complaining the whole time, but for us it's only possible<br>
to plan and contribute further if we are being involved with real details<br>
about the future.<br>
What defines "less core framework changes" and what features from the on<br>
demand are on the plan for open source?<br>
Which features are definitely not going to make it into open source, because<br>
why?<br>
How much core changes will be merged into vtiger if contributed by us? What<br>
about library updates across the whole product, what about framework<br>
replacements across the whole project? What about new features?<br>
<br>
It needs more, please... Please don't tell me you don't have more... Because<br>
this is not much since 6.4 and it just gives us the impression you made the<br>
open source project a weekend hobby for bad weather days.<br>
<br>
I really want to contribute, but every time I am scared I just waste my<br>
time. For me personally it would be a good start if I got some comments on<br>
!25 (<a href="http://code.vtiger.com/vtiger/vtigercrm/merge_requests/25" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://code.vtiger.com/vtiger/vtigercrm/merge_requests/25</a>) for<br>
example... I was only scratching the surface there and had like many more<br>
plans for replacement and improvements, but those tiny tiny changes already<br>
ended in a black whole, what kind of impression does that should give me I<br>
ask you?<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Prasad-14 wrote<br>
<span class="">> I have summarized the targets that is on the table:<br>
><br>
</span>> *6.5 Release Goal *(Q2 / early Q3 2016)<br>
><br>
> - More focused on bug-fixes, merge-requests and minor features.<br>
> - Features that demands less core-framework changes will be pulled from<br>
> Ondemand.<br>
><br>
> *7.0 Release Goal *(ETA - tentative 2017)<br>
><br>
> - Vtiger 7 Layout<br>
> - Enabling Multi-layout support need more community evaluation and<br>
> feedback.<br>
> - Approved Ondemand features + core framework changes that are<br>
<span class="">> compatible to Opensource.<br>
><br>
> What features will be in 7.0?<br>
><br>
</span>> - To be discussed post 6.5.0 release.<br>
> - You are welcome to file requests on <a href="http://code.vtiger.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">code.vtiger.com</a>.<br>
><br>
> *Would there be 6.6 instead of 7.0?*<br>
><br>
> - Possible.<br>
<span class="">><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Prasad<br>
> Vtiger Team<br>
><br>
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> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Manuel Fernando <<br>
<br>
> ptdesigner@<br>
<br>
> ><br>
<div><div class="h5">> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> About create a new fork, speaking for myself, is not necessary because<br>
>> the<br>
>> fork is here.<br>
>><br>
>> And even if someone (individual or group) create a new fork some problems<br>
>> still there because the main problem now is not defined what must be<br>
>> done.<br>
>> New features, just fixes or improvements etc etc.<br>
>> A new fork, depending of witch people would drive that fork will always<br>
>> have a more specific way of thinking for their business cases or their<br>
>> knowledge areas.<br>
>><br>
>> We have now more tools than ever to contribute.<br>
>> For that, we should open a discussion like a webform for community put<br>
>> their needs and vote for improvements or new functionalities so we have a<br>
>> better understanding of what people is looking for.<br>
>> Vtiger team may have some data collected in the past years when vtiger is<br>
>> installed (selecting the business case).<br>
>> Community can have some similar if some "vote data" is collected.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe we don’t need Vtiger 7 “depending of what is bringing for<br>
>> community”<br>
>><br>
>> About new features, sometimes they try to fill CRM’s in a way that gets<br>
>> massive and software looses his direction when try to include everything<br>
>> and that’s why extensions are great.<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards.<br>
>><br>
>> Manuel<br>
>><br>
</div></div>>> > No dia 29/04/2016, às 09:50, Alan Bell <<br>
<br>
> alan.bell@.co<br>
<br>
> ><br>
<div><div class="h5">>> escreveu:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 29/04/16 07:02, Preexo wrote:<br>
>> >> Alan Bell-6 wrote<br>
>> >>> >but I got a heap of merges accepted on<br>
>> >>> ><a href="http://code.vtiger.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">code.vtiger.com</a> over the past few days, so I am not too distressed<br>
>> at<br>
>> >>> >the moment.<br>
>> >> I just saw that on <a href="http://code.vtiger.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">code.vtiger.com</a> and it made my day! I will commit a<br>
>> few<br>
>> >> more things in the next few weeks as well and hope for the best,<br>
>> > worth noting for the vtiger folk that the best way to motivate people<br>
>> to<br>
>> contribute more stuff is to review issues and action merges in a<br>
>> reasonable<br>
>> timescale, (accepting or rejecting is fine, leaving it is not so good) if<br>
>> I<br>
>> have 10 outstanding merge requests sitting there with no feedback I am<br>
>> not<br>
>> going to do much more, but if they get merged then I am going to try and<br>
>> fill up the queue again, and if they get rejected I am going to fix them<br>
>> and try again.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sometimes what is needed on an issue is a little discussion about the<br>
>> right way to fix it before someone can go ahead and do the work and<br>
>> propose<br>
>> a merge - especially for situations like this one:<br>
>> <a href="http://code.vtiger.com/vtiger/vtigercrm/issues/184" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://code.vtiger.com/vtiger/vtigercrm/issues/184</a> where I want a feature<br>
>> I know is in the on-demand and I can implement in the open source, but<br>
>> that<br>
>> is a bit of a redundant effort (actually I already did it for a customer<br>
>> so<br>
>> not too much extra effort) and I think it just makes merging harder in<br>
>> the<br>
>> future.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Alan.<br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
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