<div dir="ltr">Bastiaan, Thanks for sharing your feedback. Your suggestions prompted us to pause the development on Vtiger Installer. Developers can continue to protect extensions using existing alternatives such as ionCube / ZendGuard / or another tool. <div>
<br></div><div>As a result, the following changes will be made in the marketplace<br></div><div><ol><li>'Try before Buy' feature will not be available on a listing (Developer can create a separate 'Trial only' listing for the extension with a download restricted for X days..) <br>
</li><li>Without Try feature, Customers might express dissatisfaction and request refund after installing the app. So, we will provide the ability for Publishers to issue refund from the publisher portal<br></li><li>Extension will not be restricted to MAC address. </li>
</ol><div>Please let me know if you have any concerns.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div></div><div>Sreenivas</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Zebra Hosting <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:support@zebrahosting.eu" target="_blank">support@zebrahosting.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Yes we have ion cube standard installed for all (shared) hosting yes. Both windows and Linux systems.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>maandag 11 augustus 2014 10:22<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger > Market place module protection (was: joomla articles)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the feedback, Bastiaan. We can open up the store to allow developers to encrypt using IonCube/ZendGuard and distribute via marketplace. Besides the concerns i shared one of the other features we will not be able to offer with IonCube/ZendGuard,
is the 'Try before you Buy' feature.
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<div>I wanted to seek some input to help shape our decision. <br>
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<div>I see hosting companies generally have 3 plans</div>
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<div>Are you saying that IonCube installer is preinstalled for Web Hosting accounts? </div>
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<div>Thanks for your explanation, (although I had those reasons also figured out). They are logical and make sense from vTiger point of view.</div>
<div>From a hosting company point of view it will be a bit different. Guess we will have to advice people to run vTiger from their own VM if they want to use the marketplace.</div>
<div>Seriously increasing their costs from standard hosting. Lets see if they think it is worth it.</div>
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<div>Remains the overal discussion how people protect their modules now outside the marketplace and if there is something to learn from that process.</div>
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</li><li>On the same MAC address we can have multiple copies of Vtiger. So, the standard MAC address based restriction would not work.</li><li>Developer has to encode before submitting to Vtiger. (with our loader, developer has to click a checbox to encrypt - nothing else)
</li><li>IonCube doesn't work with APC. (<a href="http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fstackoverflow.com%2Fquestions%2F3828845%2Fare-apc-and-ioncube-fully-compatible&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHp3GMEh17QElm2gKVseSMDmNQGnw" target="_blank">reference</a>)
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<div>We needed more flexibility, and wanted to make it easier and less expensive for developers. So, we invested the time into developing the Vtiger Loader as an alternative to IonCube / ZendGuard / SourceGuardian. </div>
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<div>Prasad, as mentioned earlier we are not going to use the vTiger market place extension on our servers for security reasons and I assume more companies will think the same way.</div>
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<div>That leaves the option for those companies to install modules via de manual install but the modules will not be encrypted and easy to copy (correct me if I am wrong)</div>
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<div>I haven’t been checking what could be an alternative option but would love to hear suggestions and experience how people protect their vTiger modules.</div>
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<div>Ioncube has been a standard way but I am not sure how it plays with the marketplace.</div>
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<div>Would it be possible to add a modules to the marketplace with a 3rd party encryption like ioncube?</div>
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<div>I really hope you guys find a way to make the market place work with some form of security but without the mandatory extra extension install. That would solve most issues (and end this discussion)</div>
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<div dir="ltr">If you are not choosing source-protection for your extension on marketplace. When customer downloads the file it would not be altered. This would mean the code you had submitted (raw / encrypted) would be sent over.<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">But than the source is unprotected.
<div>I would like to see (as mentioned by others) a common way like ioncube, to protect the source. I like the idea to support the market, I like the idea of bringing in modules but it needs a decent protection without extra libs.</div>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Customers will be able to use the same on CRM without need of "exotic drivers".</span></div>
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