<div dir="ltr">@Marco, @Matteo, Thanks for the comments<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><i>Stability, Clear Full Api, Security, Easy customization are the primary needs of the dev community,</i></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is a good high level list. I added Performance and Distribution to it. Much work has gone into these already, and more work is ahead of us. We hope you will see 6.1 score higher on all these areas. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Stability - We are in a better position now than 6 months ago with expanded test suite, some of which is automated.</div><div>API - 6.1 includes API improvements (ex: <a href="http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8167#ticket">Get related Entities</a>, <a href="http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8168#ticket">Label in vtws_retrieve</a>)</div>
<div>Performance - 6.1 has many performance improvements (ex: <a href="http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/8169#ticket">Alan's suggestion on to_html</a>)</div><div>Security - We are deploying fixes for the critical issues through security patches.</div>
<div>Customization - Ex: 6.1 has easy theme selection from Menu bar, </div><div>Distribution - Listing and 1 click installation of verified extensions through extension store inside CRM </div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><i>Create a working group does not mean "steal" your leadership but join forces, currently many resources available in the community are lost because vtiger guys does not have time to follow.</i></span></blockquote>
<div class="gmail_extra"><i><br></i></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><i>For example: Italian translation, it's completed in trac (created by my team and Simone Travaglini) but Vt6.1 still has a translation done with google translator. Why should I pay employees in order to continue (or expand) our contribute to Vtiger? </i></span></blockquote>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">It is clear that having more hands can reduce any misses like this. Also, moving to github/gitlab setup could reduce friction in taking contributions. I couldn't find more about the role the community council plays on Zimbra / OwnCloud. If you have any links, please share here.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">thanks,</div><div class="gmail_extra">Sreenivas</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Marco Roello <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marco.roello@gmail.com" target="_blank">marco.roello@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">My feeling is that VT Team is trying to improve the product, but with a wrong perspective. VT On demand has been a good strategy, and allows the team to add features and resolve bugs quickly. The idea of a marketplace is indeed good. The problem is: community developers have a strong set of tools to build modules for the store? How much VT is customizable? How many old bugs are still unresolved? 6.0 version has too many small 'black holes', and 6.1 release should focus on the resolution of them. My opinion is that the release cycle of the product is too slow because VT developers use a top-down strategy, keeping the community in the margin, and generating hundres of micro-forks, loosing hundred of opportunities for the Vtiger product to grow. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Stability, Clear Full Api, Security, Easy customization are the primary needs of the dev community, then the marketplace will take off!!</p>
<p dir="ltr">VTiger is a great product and could be even better... Thanks for your efforts, VTeam</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Il 01/ago/2014 16:09 "Matteo Baranzoni" <<a href="mailto:info@greenbitweb.com" target="_blank">info@greenbitweb.com</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">@<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Sreenivas Owncloud inc, Zimbra inc, </span><font face="arial, sans-serif">Zentyal S.L. </font><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">are commercial company that work with community using a community council.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div>Create a working group does not mean "steal" your leadership but join forces, currently many resources available in the community are lost because vtiger guys does not have time to follow.</div>
<div>For example: Italian translation, it's completed in trac (created by my team and Simone Travaglini) but Vt6.1 still has a translation done with google translator. Why should I pay employees in order to continue (or expand) our contribute to Vtiger? <br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-01 15:35 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:svk@vtiger.com" target="_blank">svk@vtiger.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>@Matteo,</div><div><div><br></div><div>
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<i>why not create a governance such as other open source projects (like owncloud, libreoffice)? A community council with vtiger guys, opensaas, its4you, Alan, Joe that plan future of vtiger and keep up to date the code, accept proposals, check submitted code etc. Possibly moving on github and using the powerful tools provided by this platform!</i></blockquote>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Vtiger is a commercial company. Vtiger Open source edition is instrumental for our success. We always believed that there is money to be made by providing affordable (even free) software to businesses. Since our business depends on it, it is important for us to be able to chart the course of the open source product. At the same time, there might be better ways to collaborate than what we are doing today (mostly via this list). We plan to move from SVN to github/gitlab later this year. (trac issues migration is one of the tasks we want to complete).</div>
<div><br></div><div>@Mutuku,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for sharing your comments.</div><div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
A few years ago (when the motto was "The only truly open source CRM" ), I tried forming a business around implementing CRM solutions for clients.</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Different markets require specific customizations. I would suggest having a "core" crm engine and let the community build modules around it, given different business scenarios</blockquote><div><br></div></div>
<div>Vtiger Open Source has enabled many such vertical solutions. Joe's CoreBOS Law and Medical editions are recent examples. Joe is able to release them with a proprietary license because Vtiger's MPL based open source license is truly open. (GPL license would have forced Joe to release them under GPL)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Sreenivas</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Mutuku Ndeti <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jnmutuku@gmail.com" target="_blank">jnmutuku@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Let me start by saying thank you for the work done with vtiger<br>
</div><div><br>I would like to add my voice here too. A few years ago (when the motto was "The only truly open source CRM" ), I tried forming a business around implementing CRM solutions for clients.<br>
<br>My first implementation, with some customization (5.0) wowed the client (who had been using excel sheets and had failed in trying out customizing sugarcrm).<br><br>After that it was a uphill task due to lack of documentation / community support / Road Map. I was not confident about direction / documentation, so I gave up, changed the business and started implementing drupal solution (more open active community). I even implemented basic crm using it. I like the drupal model (they have the commercial Acquia and the very open source drupal). There is a lot of documentation and freedom. I don't mind donating to the community because my business is fully founded on drupal solutions. <br>
<br></div><div>That said, I keep coming back and testing vtiger because I see a local market for custom CRMs. What I find every time is that Vtiger is becoming more closed that open. <br><br></div><div>To cut the long story short :-<br>
<br></div><div>1. I think there should be a clear road map (so that users / integrators are not left in the dark). With every "curveball", Vtiger looses users / a market<br></div><div>2. I think Vtiger should adopt a fully open source model (with some form of governance). I really like the drupal model (where there is a "core" and users build modules around it. From time to time, the governance decides what should be included in core) You can an have a commercial offshoot (We all need to pay the bills)<br>
</div><div>3. Different markets require specific customizations. I would suggest having a "core" crm engine and let the community build modules around it, given different business scenarios<br><br></div><div>thanks<br>
<br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:40 PM, SIAM Translations <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:info@siam-translations.com" target="_blank">info@siam-translations.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Let's see response :-)<div class="gmail_extra">
<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Andy<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Matteo Baranzoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:info@greenbitweb.com" target="_blank">info@greenbitweb.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>why not create a governance such as other open source projects (like owncloud, libreoffice)?</div></div><div>A community council with vtiger guys, opensaas, its4you, Alan, Joe that plan future of vtiger and keep up to date the code, accept proposals, check submitted code etc. Possibly moving on github and using the powerful tools provided by this platform!</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-30 17:29 GMT+02:00 Sreenivas Kanumuru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:svk@vtiger.com" target="_blank">svk@vtiger.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Blazej. I do understand your time is precious and appreciate you taking the time to provide it here. </div><div><br></div><div>Your points A-G refer to our decision to remove the 'install from file' option and to add the feature to encrypt the extension file. We did it for the following reasons </div>
<div><ol><li>Removing 'Install from File' option - to protect users<br></li><li>Encrypt the Extension - to empower developers (as Matus noted, some developers might want it)<br></li></ol></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<div>Certain assumptions we made were not on the mark. We shared the preview here in the developers list to ensure we get it right. We are taking feedback and making corrections. </div><div><br></div><div> 1. Add 'Install from File' option - done</div>
<div> 2. Allow Free extensions installation without loader - pending to be done shortly</div><div><br></div><div><b>2 + 20 developers</b></div><div><br></div><div>While we have 2 dedicated resources for trac, we have 20+ other developers contributing to improvements to the product (list view search is an example that was deployed to 6.1 branch recently, many more improvements are integrated into 6.1)</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>2 Business Days</b></div><div><div><b><br></b></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial;font-size:15.454545021057129px;line-height:15.681818008422852px;text-align:justify;white-space:pre-wrap"><i> If you don’t believe, I can send you modules, and you can try to publish them in two days.</i></span></blockquote>
<div><b><br></b></div></div><div>I mentioned that "we will respond to new submissions in 2 business days.". I meant that we will review and approve or reply to the developer. So, you are right for complex modules we might need more time to review. But, our goal is to respond with our findings within 2 business days.</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>Encouraging Developers</b></div><div><div><br></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><i>You have done everything you could to discourage us from continuing our dialogue and from your product.</i></span></blockquote>
</div><div><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><br></span></div></div><div>I am sorry you see it that way, but our efforts are to only make Vtiger open source more stronger and to empower developers. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I welcome your feedback. Though critical, I know it is coming from a well intended mind.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Sreenivas</div><div><br></div><div><b><br></b></div><div class="gmail_quote">
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Maik Standtke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maikst@gmail.com" target="_blank">maikst@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-30 15:45 GMT+02:00 Pabiszczak, Błażej <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:b.pabiszczak@opensaas.pl" target="_blank">b.pabiszczak@opensaas.pl</a>></span>:<div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:bold;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Summary</span></p>
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</blockquote></div></div><br><br><br>+1</div></div>
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