<div dir="ltr"><div style><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">You might want to update your wikipedia page then - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vtiger_CRM">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vtiger_CRM</a><br>
<br><i>"vtiger CRM is an open source CRM application that was forked from SugarCRM with the intention of being a fully open source CRM application with comparable functionality to SugarCRM and Salesforce.com"</i></blockquote>
<div><div style><br></div><div style><br></div><div style>If i could edit it, it would say "Vtiger CRM carries the most liberal open license and offers features arguably superior to leading commercial alternatives, including Salesforce.com" :-)</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><b>The License</b> <br></div><div style><br></div><div style>MPL vs GPL - Vtiger CRM license is based on the MPL license that is the most liberal of the open source licenses giving users the power to modify, sell, and the ability to build proprietary applications on it, if they want. GPL on the other hand carries many restrictions. </div>
<div style><br></div><div style><b>Functionality</b></div><div style><br></div><div style>Vendors, Products, Services, Invoices, Pricebooks, Projects, Assets, Service Contracts - Many of these modules do not exist in SugarCRM or Salesfore.com.<br>
</div></div><div style><br></div><div style>Regards,</div><div style>Sreenivas</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>--<br>Sreenivas Kanumuru<br>vtiger Team<div><div><br></div><div>Direct: +91 96323-55656<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Adam Heinz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amh@metricwise.net" target="_blank">amh@metricwise.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">You might want to update your wikipedia page then<div><br></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vtiger_CRM" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vtiger_CRM</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>
"vtiger CRM is an open source CRM application that was forked from SugarCRM with the intention of being a fully open source CRM application with comparable functionality to SugarCRM and Salesforce.com"</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Sreenivas Kanumuru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:svk@vtiger.com" target="_blank">svk@vtiger.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>Christian,</div><div><br></div><div>Vtiger is a for-profit business. Our mission is to empower businesses through affordable technology solutions. Vtiger CRM open source version originated from this mission. It is also a key driver of our business. Hence, it is critical for us to retain freedom in deciding the roadmap. We are thankful for the community contributions (testing, development, ideas) that go back to make the open source version better. We are working on improving the collaboration in the coming months.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Sreenivas</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Koch, Christian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christian.koch@4com.de" target="_blank">christian.koch@4com.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree, it’s a systemic problem. But the bugtracking is only part of the problem. Vtiger of course is open-source – but it’s not a community project.
Perhaps I’m wrong, but I believe only vtiger employees have write access to the source code. Why don’t you give some “special” community members also the right to review patches and integrate them? “Community” means, that members with enough reputation get
the right to decide more! Today when you have the “not enough time”-problem you have to hire new employees. But I’m sure there are many people out there who would like to help you for free – you just ignore them!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Today vtiger is a company releasing its own software as open source when it’s finished. But it does not respect the original open-source-idea of
working together as a community to make things better! If you solved that problem, vtiger could be developed much faster and quality would get better!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com" target="_blank">vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com</a>]
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<p>You are right. it is a systemic problem across many open source projects. We strive to do better. We have more resources in the core team now. Our QA team is actively reviewing the bugs submitted
<a href="http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/report/37" target="_blank">here</a>. Before the Vtiger 6 final code is released, we will be going through all the Vtiger 6 patch submissions. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>I think this is a systemic problem. I'm a big believer that a bug tracking system is a general indicator of the overall health of a development team. Generally speaking, I lean towards agile software development, so my personal litmus
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<p>There is nothing wrong with reviewing open source contributions and throwing them out. You can use a low level QA person to triage bugs as not reproducible. Nobody is going to get offended if a junior member of your team starts a dialogue
with them, asking for help to reproduce a bug. That said, I find it insulting that you claim not to have the few minutes it takes to review what may have taken a developer hours or days to build. It takes a lot less time to review a bug than it does to fix
it. When I manage other developers, I mostly get the hell out of their way, keep their slop bucket full of bugs, and review EVERY SINGLE LINE OF CODE THEY SUBMIT. It takes me no more than thirty minutes to review an entire eight hour day of another developer's
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