<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
It is unfortunate that the vtigercrm-developers mailing list only sees<br>
traffic from third party developers. This is the only developer mailing<br>
list I'm on that the core developers don't participate -- and I don't mean<br>
answering questions, I mean asking them, talking about upcoming features,<br>
and taking advantage of the experience and perspective that other<br>
programmers bring to the table.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"vtigercrm-deve</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">lopers mailing list" - in our opinion it works correctly. The problem is in questions commited on this list, most of them are the result of not knowing the basic documentation, or just applies to the improper subject, for example "An error during installation vtiger 5.3 occures" - even simple fact that question is about old version should disqualify it.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#ff0000"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></span></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
All our developers have been working feverishly to get Vtiger CRM 6<br>
completed and released. Though our team has grown considerably in the past<br>
year,<br>
Vtiger 6 has taken all our energy and some more. We are also releasing a<br>
security patch for Vtiger CRM 5.4 in February. As a result of this, our<br>
efforts on<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">With all the respect, but you always have a lots of work to do. Basing on my almost two-yearly observations I can only assume that community and co-operation with them has the lowest priority for you (it is not including partnership which provides you profit)</font><br>
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*Connecting better with Developers*<br>
We are working on several initiatives to make Vtiger more developer<br>
friendly</blockquote><div><br></div><div style><font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Programmists don't need new documentation, they need just actual one, even this pdf (</span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="https://www.vtiger.com/products/crm/help/5.2.0/VtigerCRM_5.2.0_Vtlib.pdf">https://www.vtiger.com/products/crm/help/5.2.0/VtigerCRM_5.2.0_Vtlib.pdf</a></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">) document would be enough, if it would be expanded and updated on time. All of your energy you spend for creating new tools and even you didn't work with documentation, you published for developers - this situation will always cause problems.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><font color="#0000ff">Programmists don't need new communication board, they just need answers on board actually existing. For many months on polish board was a lot of spam, which no one could deleted, and you didn't want to give us moderation permissions for that section. Actually adding new post need verification which causes that people don't write because they sometimes have to wait a few days! New board doesn't change anything, all what we need here is new way of cooperation betweend producer and user.</font></span><br>
</div><div><br></div><div style><font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Below is the list of our modules never published by you:</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Import Export </span><a href="tel:+48708201210" class="" title="Zadzwoń" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">7-08-2012 10</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">:49</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS SMS API </span><a href="tel:+48709201213" class="" title="Zadzwoń" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">7-09-2012 13</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">:05</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Corrected Invoice </span><a href="tel:+48709201214" class="" title="Zadzwoń" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">7-09-2012 14</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">:27</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Correction Note </span><a href="tel:+4813092012" class="" title="Zadzwoń" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">13-09-2012</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> 08:45</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Invoice Cost </span><a href="tel:+4813092012" class="" title="Zadzwoń" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">13-09-2012</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> 09:09</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Map 20-08-2012 14:02</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Booking Calendar 28-10-2012 09:44</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Test Data 28-10-2012 09:45</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSS Currency Update 28-10-2012 09:48</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">All of these modules have new versions, new documentations and wasn't even tested by you !!! We have over a dozen of other modules, which we don't send to you because it is pointless, even they are very important for business solutions ( warehouse module, module to exchange documents in EDIFACT format, integrations with Google Apps). Actually we have over 50 modules, and we are starting to rewrite them for SugarCRM.</span></font><br>
</div><div><br></div><div style><font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">We also proposed you, that we will give module OSS PDF for the community and you, if you only add if to the VTiger`s standard version. Actual version of OSSPdf is probably the most universal module, which doesn't modify core system files and have a tremendous functionalities</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">, for example:</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">1. It is working with almost every standard and additional VTiger module.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">2. Allows to create infinite amount of templatest.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">3. Allows to automatically save created Documents, and relate them to the record.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">4. Allows to generate many template at once.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">5. Has Bootstrap library built-in, and we also have working version for current VTiger 6 version</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">6. Allows to run any special/additio</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">nal function created by users/developer</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">s without modificating source files.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">7. and has hundreds of other functionalities</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">However you prefer to promote PDF Maker with is functionally limited, instead of make some correction in our module ( if you assume that some changes are necessary ) and give it to community. WOULDN`T IT PROVIDE BIGGER BENEFITS ?</span></font><br>
</div><div style><br></div><div style><font color="#0000ff">Test version OSS PDF: </font></div><div style><font color="#0000ff"><a href="http://test.opensaas.pl/mariusz/vt54_1">http://test.opensaas.pl/mariusz/vt54_1</a><br>
</font></div><div style><font color="#0000ff">admin/admin</font></div><div style><br></div><div style><font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">For a few years on your Partners list was a Construction company, however we as a developing/prog</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">ramming company, which created more than 50 modules, couln`t become your partner because we have to pay for it? Maybe it would be worth to consider cooperation with companies, which wants to give you a part of their work for good of the community.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Nowadays we are the biggest producer of VTiger modules, and in our point of view, the co-operation between our companies is not existing, and there is nothing like community because you ignore them.</span></font><br>
</div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></span></div></div>-- <br><div><br></div><div><div>Z poważaniem / Regards</div><div>Błażej Pabiszczak</div><div>M: +48.884999123<br>
E: <a href="mailto:b.pabiszczak@opensaas.pl" target="_blank">b.pabiszczak@opensaas.pl</a></div></div>
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