<div dir="ltr">Hi <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;white-space:nowrap">Błażej, Adam, John,</span><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap"><br></span></font></div><div style>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap">Thanks for sharing your feedback. </span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap">All our developers have been working feverishly to get Vtiger CRM 6 completed and released. </span></font><span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Though our team has grown considerably in the past year, </span></div>
<div><span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Vtiger 6 has taken all our energy and some more. We are also releasing a security patch for Vtiger CRM 5.4 in February. </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap">As a result of this, our efforts on </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap">reviewing extensions and forge projects faltered. </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap">I apologize for the </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap">delays (Adam, Geo Tools project has been activated on forge)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap"><b>Connecting better with Developers</b></span><br></div><div style>
<span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:arial,sans-serif">We are working on several initiatives to make Vtiger more developer friendly. </span><br></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap"><br>
</span></font></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap">1. Vtiger CRM 6 will be more developer friendly . Reference - <a href="https://wiki.vtiger.com/index.php/Vtiger_6_Developer_Guide">Vtiger 6 Developer 'Guide</a></span></font></div>
<div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">2. Upgrading vtiger forums to foster better discussions including code-related ones. We plan to roll out new forums within a week</font></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">3. Replacing Forge (see below)</font></div>
<div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">4. Appoint Community Liaison to improve communication with developers</font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap">We plan to complete the above within the next 2 to 3 months.</span></font></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><b style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:nowrap">Forge or Github?</b><br>
</div><div>Vtiger forge is running on a old gForge version. We are deliberating on whether to switch to gitlabs platform, or whether it is better for developers </div><div>directly host projects on <a href="http://github.com" target="_blank">github.com</a>. git certainly makes sharing code easier, and we are tempted to make the switch to either the self-hosted or the cloud one. We welcome your thoughts on this. </div>
<div><br></div><div><b>Participating on the developers list</b></div><div>Adam said:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<i><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">This is the only </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">developer</span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> mailing </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">list</span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> I'm on that the core </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">developers</span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> don't participate -- and I don't mean answering questions, I mean asking them, talking about upcoming features, and taking advantage of the experience and perspective that other programmers bring to the table.</span></i></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div style>We are getting better at asking for help (ex: vtiger 6 UI design feedback requests, giving early access to Vtiger 6 code to get feedback), but i agree we can benefit more by consulting more often. </div>
<div><br></div><div style><b>Vtiger 6 Status</b></div><div style>We expect to release RC version and final versions in March/April timeframe. Settings pages and a small set of features (Duplicate merging, ..etc) are yet to be implemented in the new UI. You can access the Vtiger 6 code updates here - <a href="http://vtiger.blr/svn/comvtiger/vtigercrm/branches/6.0.0/">svn link</a> (we will publish latest code again next week)</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>thanks,</div><div style>Sreenivas</div><div style><br></div><div style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:29 AM, John Crisp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john@reetspetit.net" target="_blank">john@reetspetit.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 29/01/13 21:16, Adam Heinz wrote:<br>
> It is unfortunate that the vtigercrm-developers mailing list only sees<br>
> traffic from third party developers. This is the only developer mailing<br>
> list I'm on that the core developers don't participate -- and I don't<br>
> mean answering questions, I mean asking them, talking about upcoming<br>
> features, and taking advantage of the experience and perspective that<br>
> other programmers bring to the table.<br>
><br>
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</div>Yup, and it is a great shame, and a reason for many departing...<br>
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There is no real sense of 'community' with the developers - more 'them'<br>
and 'us'<br>
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I sometimes wonder what they are afraid of.<br>
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My 2c worth...<br>
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B. Rgds<br>
Johhn<br>
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