<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi!<br>
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I agree completly. Security should be on the list of to-dos.<br>
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Matjaz Slak<br>
matjaz.slak@atol.si<br>
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Atol d.o.o. | http://www.atol.si | tel. +386 1
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Hi all,</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Matjaz I’ll be with you and
your team in your enterprise, I agree with your priorities and have one
another to add : the security. The organisation sharing privileges for
example is indeed totally an illusion. It’s too easy too change those
settings while not being admin or to see all records even if the privileges
are private. I think this is very harmful to offer such buggy features
and can discredit Vtiger for the people who have interests in security.</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Hope we’ll have others hands
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">cabugs</font>
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de</b> Matjaz.Slak@atol.si<b><br>
Envoyé :</b> mercredi 19 juillet 2006 16:46<b><br>
À :</b> vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com<b><br>
Objet :</b> Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] An Impassioned Plea froma VTiger
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Hi Richie and the rest of the team!<br>
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You address me correctly, Matjaz is my name :)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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As I belive the 4.2.x stream is the current "production" vTiger
environment for most of the users, my primary goal would be to focus on:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<li><font size=2 face="sans-serif">debugging (fixing parts that either
don't work at all and/or work incorrectly)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<li><font size=2 face="sans-serif">improving usability (based on feedback
from users)</font></ul><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
I would also like to try and get the following not-quite-features, maybe
bugs? implemented/fixed:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
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<li><font size=2 face="sans-serif">multilanguage support (simply get rid
of any and all hard-coded strings)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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<li><font size=2 face="sans-serif">full per user or at least per-system
localization support (number format, date format, currency support etc)</font></ul><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
These two last items are - in my opinion - somewhere between debugging
and new features. vTiger is already supposed to support multiple languages,
however this support is not well implemented. The same can be said for
localization - vTiger is supposed to be able to support per-user date format,
but again there are areas where the implementation is not as good as it
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Also, based on my researches into existing vTiger deployments, I see there
are a lot of non-english users, but they probably are using forked code,
as due to these two issues they cannot use the "official" 4.2.x
stream code. I would like to get these users back on the team, and I know
they might return only if we provide them with a 100% localisable product.
This will enable them to post the patches they make back to the community
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I would try and keep us on this track, rather than go try implement new
features and make large changes to UI - the place for these is v5.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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To achieve this, I would first gather any and all contributions currently
lying around (in the forum, as provided by other people here etc.) - matching
the categories above - and start the process of getting them in the code.
<b>I would like to see a show of hands</b> from people that would be prepared
to devote some time to debugging/updating tthese contributions - as some
might need an update. I know me and my colleagues in our company will.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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If all goes well, we could try and implement a regular timeline (say every
month) when we would be releasing point versions. If I get at least two
or three people to help, I guess we could have our first result (4.2.5
I guess) in two months.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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I think there will be people using the 4.2.x stream for at least a year
after v5 is released, and that if we as a team show them we are supporting
them, than they will upgrade to v5 -> if we don't they might start looking
elsewhere.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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Thoughts, anyone?</b><br>
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Matjaz Slak<br>
matjaz.slak@atol.si<br>
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Hi Matjaz! <br>
I hope I am addressing you properly if not please forgive me and direct
to the proper mode of addressing. <br>
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If you are game then great! <br>
Welcome to the club. <br>
Please select your stand-in helper so that at least we have a backup for
Linus Matjaz. Let me know and I will grant you the relevant access. <br>
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It would be nice if you could briefly state how you plan to address the
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disparate contributions. This is just to get an idea as there are lots
of data floating around in the code contributions and mailing lists; wanted
to know if you have any specific plan. I will be busy with the v5 release
and will not be able to help you much so the query. <br>
I was earlier integrating it 1 by 1 till 4.2.3 and we do have a wiki page
which reflects the status of the contributions. I am not sure if that is
updated till the 4.2.4 release though. http://www.vtiger.com/wiki/index.php/Vtiger_CRM_Code_Contributions
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Allan, any tips from you will be nice. <br>
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Richie<br>
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---- Sergio A. Kessler<sergiokessler@gmail.com> wrote ---- <br>
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On 7/14/06, Matjaz.Slak@atol.si <Matjaz.Slak@atol.si> wrote:<br>
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> Hi!<br>
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> If there's no one else, I volunteer to be the v4 Linus.<br>
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just do it. ;-)<br>
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/sak<br>
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