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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Matjaz I’ll be with
you and your team in your enterprise, I agree with your priorities and have one
another to add : the security. The organisation sharing privileges for example
is indeed totally an illusion. It’s too easy too change those settings while
not being admin or to see all records even if the privileges are private. I
think this is very harmful to offer such buggy features and can discredit Vtiger
for the people who have interests in security.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope we’ll have
others hands up<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com
[mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces@lists.vtigercrm.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>De la part de</span></b> Matjaz.Slak@atol.si<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Envoyé :</span></b> mercredi 19 juillet
2006 16:46<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>À :</span></b>
vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Objet :</span></b> Re:
[Vtigercrm-developers] An Impassioned Plea froma VTiger Integrator</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Hi Richie and the rest of the team!<br>
<br>
You address me correctly, Matjaz is my name :)</span></font> <br>
<br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>As
I belive the 4.2.x stream is the current "production" vTiger
environment for most of the users, my primary goal would be to focus on:</span></font>
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mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>debugging (fixing parts
that either don't work at all and/or work incorrectly)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>improving usability (based
on feedback from users)</span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>I would also like to try and get the following
not-quite-features, maybe bugs? implemented/fixed:</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>multilanguage support
(simply get rid of any and all hard-coded strings)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>full per user or at least
per-system localization support (number format, date format, currency
support etc)</span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>These two last items are - in my opinion - somewhere
between debugging and new features. vTiger is already supposed to support
multiple languages, however this support is not well implemented. The same can
be said for localization - vTiger is supposed to be able to support per-user
date format, but again there are areas where the implementation is not as good
as it could be.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Also,
based on my researches into existing vTiger deployments, I see there are a lot
of non-english users, but they probably are using forked code, as due to these
two issues they cannot use the "official" 4.2.x stream code. I would
like to get these users back on the team, and I know they might return only if
we provide them with a 100% localisable product. This will enable them to post
the patches they make back to the community or at least give them an
opportunity to work with us on resolving them.</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>I
would try and keep us on this track, rather than go try implement new features
and make large changes to UI - the place for these is v5.</span></font> <br>
<br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>To
achieve this, I would first gather any and all contributions currently lying
around (in the forum, as provided by other people here etc.) - matching the
categories above - and start the process of getting them in the code. <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>I would like to see a show of hands</span></b> from
people that would be prepared to devote some time to debugging/updating tthese
contributions - as some might need an update. I know me and my colleagues in
our company will.</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>If
all goes well, we could try and implement a regular timeline (say every month)
when we would be releasing point versions. If I get at least two or three
people to help, I guess we could have our first result (4.2.5 I guess) in two
months.</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>I
think there will be people using the 4.2.x stream for at least a year after v5
is released, and that if we as a team show them we are supporting them, than
they will upgrade to v5 -> if we don't they might start looking elsewhere.</span></font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;
font-weight:bold'>Thoughts, anyone?</span></font></b><font size=2
face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'><br>
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</span></font><br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Matjaz
Slak<br>
matjaz.slak@atol.si<br>
<br>
Atol d.o.o. | http://www.atol.si | tel. +386 1 510 15
30</span></font> <br>
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<font size=1 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Sent
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<p><font size=1 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
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Hi Matjaz! <br>
I hope I am addressing you properly if not please forgive me and direct to the
proper mode of addressing. <br>
<br>
If you are game then great! <br>
Welcome to the club. <br>
Please select your stand-in helper so that at least we have a backup for Linus
Matjaz. Let me know and I will grant you the relevant access. <br>
<br>
It would be nice if you could briefly state how you plan to address the <br>
disparate contributions. This is just to get an idea as there are lots of data
floating around in the code contributions and mailing lists; wanted to know if
you have any specific plan. I will be busy with the v5 release and will not be
able to help you much so the query. <br>
I was earlier integrating it 1 by 1 till 4.2.3 and we do have a wiki page which
reflects the status of the contributions. I am not sure if that is updated till
the 4.2.4 release though.
http://www.vtiger.com/wiki/index.php/Vtiger_CRM_Code_Contributions <br>
<br>
<br>
Allan, any tips from you will be nice. <br>
<br>
Richie<br>
<br>
<br>
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---- Sergio A. Kessler<sergiokessler@gmail.com> wrote ---- <br>
<br>
On 7/14/06, Matjaz.Slak@atol.si <Matjaz.Slak@atol.si> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi!<br>
><br>
> If there's no one else, I volunteer to be the v4 Linus.<br>
<br>
just do it. ;-)<br>
<br>
<br>
/sak<br>
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