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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">After watching the thead, we feel,
people have different opinions about using scrollable DIVs. To find the
best answer, let us experiment.<br>
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For beta we will give one module with scrollable DIV layout and one
module with non-div layout.<br>
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The Dashboard will retain the scrollable DIVs and will list the graphs
in 2x2 fashion or 4x1 fashion, depending upon the screen resolution. <br>
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The At-a-Glance will get treated with non-div layout. This means, in
the <b>Show All Modules</b>, all 7+ tables will be listed one by one.
Though this actually leads to more page scrolls (you lose the top tabs
from eye-sight) it can be rectified with bookmarks to help reaching the
page top. Clicking the other modules such as Top Potentials, Top Leads
etc will list the tables of records as usual.<br>
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We will release beta with this setup and find the user feedback.
Depending on the feedback, we will conclude the solution.<br>
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So what you guys feel? shall we try this experiment?<br>
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- Saint<br>
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Brian Devendorf wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I agree with sak. With AJAX and modern web browsers, web pages should
not have a scrolling area within another scrolling area. The issue I
was mentioning is that the dashboard view is about 1000 x 800 pixels
(guestimate). This means it looks horrible in smaller windows with
two scrollbars necessary for navigation. And for managers with a 21"
screen, they are only able to view the limited 1000 x 800 pixels
rather than use their entire screen. This may be acceptable for a
small sub-feature on a page, but not for the main focus of the page.
On Mar 4, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
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<pre wrap="">1. I don't use IE.
2. most people use IE, so, if something affect IE, it is affecting the
vast mayority of users (no matter how fan I'am of firefox or linux).
3. I don't know if is a must, all I'm saying is that having multiple
scrollbars confuse people, all usability guys say that.
/sak
On 3/4/06, Mike Fedyk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mfedyk@mikefedyk.com"><mfedyk@mikefedyk.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
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<pre wrap="">saint, if you put a scrollable div, then it means there can be two
vertical scroll bar, the browser one, and the div one...
I think Brian is refering to the same, he just call this a "website
within a website"...
look at the following screenshot and you'll know what i'm talking
about...
see ? there are two vertical scrollbar... the fundamental concept
of a
"page" has been broken...
"The appearance of multiple pairs of scrollbars affects usability,
since users are essentially confused as to which scrollbars to use.
Hiding these scrollbars has the effect of hiding all content that
doesn't fit into the frame, thus seriously impacts users finding
their
way around a website or finding the content they wanted."
what you are doing is like putting a frame inside the main windows,
jakob nielsen (*) say this about frames:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html">http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html</a>
it evens happen to me (a supposedly experienced user), I want to see
what others type of reports are below "Invoices by Accounts", then I
rotate my mouse's wheel, only to find (confused) that I'am scrolling
the graph part (which is not what I want)
/sak
(*) jacob nielsen is considered by many as the # 1 guru of web
usability.
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<pre wrap="">I'm sorry but I completely disagree.
Having scrollable lists within the page is a must, and it aligns with
the target of adding more AJAX features into vtiger. You *lose* the
concept of the page with AJAX, it is as simple as that.
And if you are talking about how IE and many windows apps don't
scroll
the window below the mouse pointer, then the bad usability is
because of
IE and Windows. This has been fixed for a long time in Firefox
and in
Gnome (don't know about KDE, but probably there too).
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