[Vtigercrm-developers] no answer and no commits on code.vtiger.com since weeks?!

Vincenzo Bruno v.bruno at vinsoft.it
Tue Jul 26 08:05:29 GMT 2022


First fork it's me

Il 25/07/22 17:03, Matus Sopko ha scritto:
> Dear Vtiger Community,
>
> we as ITS4You have been members of the community for 15 years.
> We are also thinking about the future of Vtiger, not only now, but for 
> long time. The slow process of Open Source bothers us. The original 
> roadmap for Vtiger 7.5 version was the end of the year 2021 (if I do 
> remember correctly) and it's not been released yet.
>
> Therefore we have decided to create a new GITHub project 
> https://github.com/IT-Solutions4You/its4youcrm - so far a pure clone 
> of vtiger repository.
>
> Our goal is to have an option for developers/companies/community who 
> wish a better communication and development. We will be really happy 
> if you will join us. We are aware that it makes sense only with a 
> strong community.
>
> The roadmap for this year is to publish a new version with:
> - composer/ library updating
> - php 8 compatibility
> - adding some extensions from us EmailMaker and PDF Maker free for start,
> - review calendar, report, and other buggy modules
> - performance and security and other tasks which comes
>
> We are open to any of you, your suggestions, feedback, any valueable 
> input.
>
> Matus from ITS4You
>
> Dňa 25. 7. 2022 o 2:03 Rubén A. Estrada Orozco napísal(a):
>> Thanks for  sharing your point of view Mariusz. I appreciate it.
>>
>> I took some time to look into the demo. I saw you can edit pdf 
>> templates in the configuration but I couldn't figure out how to 
>> generate a PDF, say, from a quote.
>> I also couldn't find email templates (I assume they must be somewhere 
>> there, but couldn't find them).
>>
>> What about reports? I see graphs but not tabular reports.
>> What about a mobile app?
>>
>> Also, for everyone who has been following vtiger for a long time, do 
>> you think the current status of vtiger open source is "normal"? I 
>> remember once Alan Lord said that Vtiger has periods of absence but 
>> then they have bursts of constant work. As far as I remember, this 
>> has been the longest period without input from Vtiger's staff. It 
>> even surprises me that they have not even said a word in this 
>> specific thread. Do you think they are close to killing/abandoning 
>> the open source project?
>> I wasn't here when vtiger forked sugar. But do you think vtiger is 
>> doing what sugar did? There are things that I think should worry us, 
>> like php 8 compatibility and the use of years long abandoned 
>> libraries (and no composer).
>>
>> Have you guys considered any other alternatives such as corebos, 
>> vtenext, suitecrm... etc?
>>
>> Rubén
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 2:15 PM Mariusz Krzaczkowski | YetiForce S.A. 
>> <m.krzaczkowski at yetiforce.com> wrote:
>>
>>>     Yetiforce has Limited with Data in the Community version?
>>     There is only one version of the yetiforce system, only open source.
>>     No limits, no restrictions, only registration requirement
>>>     Using Community we could buy extensiones or pluggins and use
>>>     into the community version?
>>     I don't know if I understand the question
>>     with your version you can do whatever you want, just not to break
>>     the license terms.
>>     You can install and use any add-ons.
>>     --
>>     Z poważaniem / Kind regards
>>     Mariusz Krzaczkowski
>>     Director of Product Development
>>     +48 884 998 123 | m.krzaczkowski at yetiforce.com
>>     www.yetiforce.com <http://yetiforce.com>
>>     YetiForce 		linkedin <https://linkedin.com/company/yetiforce>
>>     facebook <https://facebook.com/YetiForceCRM/> 	twitter
>>     <https://twitter.com/yetiforceen> 	youtube
>>     <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnt7DLyYtcSBkC2sk2CJBXw>
>>     github <https://github.com/YetiForceCompany/YetiForceCRM>
>>
>>     Nagrody / Awards: HIGH PERFORMER IN CRM CATEGORY, MOST AFFORDABLE
>>     CRM SYSTEM IN THE WORLD IN 2017, SUPPLIER OF THE YEAR 2017 IN THE
>>     IT CATEGORY, GUARANTEE OF USER SATISFACTION, RISING STAR AMONG
>>     CRM SYSTEMS, PLATINIUM MEDAL FROM THE SENSIOLABINSIGHTS
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>>
>>     W dniu 2022-07-23 01:29, William Cardona napisał(a):
>>
>>>     Hi Marius
>>>     Yetiforce has Limited with Data in the Community version?
>>>     Using Community we could buy extensiones or pluggins and use
>>>     into the community version?
>>>     Regards
>>>
>>>     /*William A. Cardona*/
>>>
>>>     /*"Todo lo Puedo en Cristo que me Fortalece"*/
>>>
>>>     /*Honduras, CentralAmerica*/
>>>
>>>     /*504 9834 9127*/
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 03:33:43 PM CST, Mariusz
>>>     Krzaczkowski | YetiForce S.A. <m.krzaczkowski at yetiforce.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello,
>>>     At the request of "Rubén Alberto Estrada Orozco
>>>     <mailto:rulo at simplesistemas.com>" I am writing this e-mail. This
>>>     is just my point of view of the current situation.
>>>
>>>         I've looked at YetiForce a couple of times (not massively
>>>         in-depth) and to be honest if it had EmailMaker and PDFMaker
>>>         (from Its4You team)
>>>
>>>     Our system has similar / alternative functionalities, I do not
>>>     know if they have 100% the same functionalities but fulfill the
>>>     same functions.
>>>
>>>         that we basically install it in all our new CRMs by default
>>>         now. So to switch to something that doesn't have the same
>>>         functionality is much harder to sell to clients. (even if
>>>         behind the scenes its 10x better!)
>>>
>>>     We added them to the system because these are the basic
>>>     mechanisms that the system should have.
>>>
>>>         Hmmm, hadn't seen that before – checking out the licence for
>>>         the software says this :
>>>         Data used for registration must be true. All provided
>>>         registration information, including the company's name, can
>>>         be used by YetiForce Sp. z o.o. (Ltd.) for marketing
>>>         purposes | (i.e. preparation of statistics, publication on
>>>         the website).
>>>         Not sure how I feel about having to provide this information
>>>         for open-source software.
>>>
>>>     Thanks to this, we can better understand which companies /
>>>     countries / industries use our system.
>>>     This helps us determine what to expand in the system first, and
>>>     more.
>>>     It may be strange for some people, but this is something in
>>>     return for our work, we give a great system for free and we only
>>>     want data that is public anyway.
>>>     There is nothing confidential there.
>>>
>>>         My main concern then becomes that we cannot guarantee that
>>>         the software will work – ONLY if Yetiforce accept the
>>>         registration, and what happens if the project gets
>>>         abandoned? Can it be registered without Yetiforce servers??
>>>
>>>     Don't worry about this because:
>>>     - no registration does not block CRM
>>>     - our server is not obligatory for registration
>>>     - offline registration can be made when someone does not have
>>>     Internet on the server
>>>     - We do not plan to abandon the project, we invest a lot of
>>>     money / time in it, so why should we abandon it?
>>>     - currently the company has changed into a joint-stock company
>>>     and we go public, this is not what the company that wants to
>>>     abandon the project does
>>>     - from version 6.2 there is a new simplified license,
>>>     https://github.com/YetiForceCompany/YetiForceCRM/blob/developer/licenses/LicenseEN.txt
>>>
>>>     - Remember this Open Source together we can do more
>>>
>>>         A good point could be to create a Community Contributed
>>>         version of Vtiger. Something that stays true to the original
>>>         version but accepts small independent contributions and bug
>>>         support.
>>>
>>>     It will not work, I thought similarly a few years ago. Our
>>>     system started to be completely different from vtiger.
>>>     We had to make a lot of changes to make the system more
>>>     efficient and flexible.
>>>     What made it different from the original vtiger is a natural
>>>     evolution.
>>>     Every developing system does it, otherwise it dies.
>>>
>>>         My biggest fear is that if Composer support is not
>>>         introduced soon, the software will neither be upgradeable
>>>         nor usable at a professional level.
>>>
>>>     It was our first big step, this change was painful because it
>>>     required updating many libraries.
>>>     And some of them are not supported / developed / safe anymore,
>>>     so we had to replace them with newer ones.
>>>     This is proof that vtiger does not care about Open Source and
>>>     security.
>>>     Any serious project uses the centralization of libraries
>>>     otherwise it is impossible to control them.
>>>     The development is so fast and there are so many changes in PHP
>>>     and libraries that it necessitates continuous development of the
>>>     project.
>>>     Composer has been around since 2012 and we already have 2022,
>>>     think about it.
>>>
>>>         For me Workflow Designer from Redoo networks is crucial.
>>>
>>>     We have a lot of new and improved mechanisms that work similarly
>>>     or even better than the "Workflow Designer".
>>>     I do not know what there is that is not with us, it would
>>>     require a careful comparison.
>>>
>>>         This is what is needed – however I am realistic in that
>>>         either the whole (or majority of) vTiger open-source
>>>         community needs to migrate to a Community version OR it just
>>>         becomes another fork.
>>>
>>>     There are many forks, vtiger is a fork too.
>>>     Many of them have died or are barely alive.
>>>     Without a strong / active community or someone who lives on the
>>>     project, there is no future.
>>>
>>>         vTiger themselves clearly don't' want to implement the
>>>         functionality that we're all asking for, as they have no
>>>         business need to – ultimately they are selling their own
>>>         vTiger version that doesn't have/need to e.g. use Composer
>>>         unless they want it to.
>>>
>>>     We used to try to talk to the vtiger team to join forces and
>>>     create a strong / safe / modern design but they weren't
>>>     interested, they don't need anybody to help.
>>>     That's why we made a fork and we don't regret it, it was the
>>>     best decision.
>>>     If we had stayed with them we wouldn't have gotten as far as we
>>>     are now, they were limiting ours every step of the way by
>>>     creating additions, they didn't want help developing the engine
>>>     to make it more flexible.
>>>
>>>         So where does that leave us? Stuck between a rock and a hard
>>>         place – no-one will migrate unless everyone else
>>>         migrates...so who goes first?
>>>         And then whose in charge of the new community version?
>>>         Whoever setups a repo in GitHub first?
>>>         The ideal solution in my eyes would be to have a body of
>>>         people responsible for driving the direction of the project,
>>>         who represent the community, and are responsible for
>>>         managing the pull-requests etc.
>>>
>>>     Your decision, you can stay and wait for a better tomorrow or go
>>>     ahead and take the project into your own hands.
>>>
>>>         I know there was an attempt to fork vtiger a few years back.
>>>         Later it was decided to stay with vtiger open source.
>>>         Because there were too many similar CRMs already in the
>>>         market already including Yeti and suite. Anyway the Open
>>>         Source progress is very slow.
>>>
>>>     It all depends on the society and the project manager, choose
>>>     the best one.
>>>     It is known that changes are painful at the beginning, you have
>>>     to look where we will be in a month / year / years, not one day.
>>>     If we thought so, we would stand still or even move backwards
>>>     because today the pace of technology development is enormous.
>>>     I remember vtiger 11 years ago, when I started working, they
>>>     tried to take care of open source development now it's gone.
>>>
>>>         The infrastructure roadmap should be considered on the other
>>>         side, which is seriously diverted to cloud at the moment.
>>>
>>>     Sad but true, and the same for years
>>>
>>>         Developing a support system using modern stacks such as MERN
>>>         or MEAN or using PHP frameworks such as Phalcon or Laravel
>>>         becomes relatively easier  than forking and evolving  a
>>>         monolithic. So we have to consider how to contribute to an
>>>         open source project efficiently to meet the future.
>>>
>>>     Big words, requiring a lot of work, the question of who will do
>>>     it, there are few willing ...
>>>
>>>         I suggest, separating the frontend and backend, similar to
>>>         the Magento (Now Adobe commerce) PWA storefront, would be
>>>         the best approach to migrate to modern platforms. Vtiger
>>>         commercial may derive the benefits from this approach.
>>>
>>>     You can see that it does not matter for vtiger, they do not need
>>>     it, their cloud solutions require dedicated solutions and
>>>     integrated with their profit model.
>>>     I agree with you the separation of frontend and backend, only
>>>     that it requires changes of the entire architecture and no one
>>>     sees business bones in it.
>>>     This is expensive with an existing engine and an upgrade would
>>>     be painful.
>>>     Business sees it differently, unless you have generous sponsors.
>>>
>>>
>>>     /"Life is the Matrix - which pill do you choose?"/
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Z poważaniem / Kind regards
>>>     Mariusz Krzaczkowski
>>>     Director of Product Development
>>>     +48 884 998 123 | m.krzaczkowski at yetiforce.com
>>>     www.yetiforce.com
>>>     YetiForce 		linkedin <https://linkedin.com/company/yetiforce>
>>>     facebook <https://facebook.com/YetiForceCRM/> 	twitter
>>>     <https://twitter.com/yetiforceen> 	youtube
>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnt7DLyYtcSBkC2sk2CJBXw>
>>>     github <https://github.com/YetiForceCompany/YetiForceCRM>
>>>
>>>     Nagrody / Awards: HIGH PERFORMER IN CRM CATEGORY, MOST
>>>     AFFORDABLE CRM SYSTEM IN THE WORLD IN 2017, SUPPLIER OF THE YEAR
>>>     2017 IN THE IT CATEGORY, GUARANTEE OF USER SATISFACTION, RISING
>>>     STAR AMONG CRM SYSTEMS, PLATINIUM MEDAL FROM THE SENSIOLABINSIGHTS
>>>     The content of this message is confidential and must not be
>>>     disclosed. If the recipient of this message is not the intended
>>>     recipient, employee, or intermediary authorized to forward it to
>>>     the intended recipient, please note that all distribution,
>>>     copying, or any other use of this message is forbidden. If you
>>>     received this message by mistake, please inform the sender
>>>     immediately by responding to this message, and delete all copies
>>>     of this message.
>>>
>>>
>>>     W dniu 2022-07-22 20:01, Angelo Paglialonga napisał(a):
>>>
>>>         Hi Martin,
>>>         we could start with a GitHub repository merging fixes for
>>>         current bugs, so that our businesses  don't get too affected
>>>         from these periods of "silence" from vtiger team.
>>>         Who would be comfortable with this?
>>>
>>>         *Dott. Angelo Paglialonga*
>>>         *Consulenza vTiger CRM ad alto ROI.*
>>>
>>>         *Telefono: 338.6077866*
>>>
>>>
>>>             Il giorno 18 lug 2022, alle ore 15:43, Martin Allen
>>>             <martin.allen at exe-squared.co.uk> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>             This is what is needed – however I am realistic in that
>>>             either the whole (or majority of) vTiger open-source
>>>             community needs to migrate to a Community version OR it
>>>             just becomes/another/fork.
>>>             Like I said previously without the functionality of some
>>>             key plugins, we wouldn't migrate (unless we found a
>>>             client willing to pay for us to develop our own version
>>>             of it in a new CRM!)
>>>
>>>             vTiger themselves clearly don't' want to implement the
>>>             functionality that we're all asking for, as they have no
>>>             business need to – ultimately they are selling their own
>>>             vTiger version that doesn't have/need to e.g. use
>>>             Composer unless they want it to.
>>>             So where does that leave us? Stuck between a rock and a
>>>             hard place – no-one will migrate unless everyone else
>>>             migrates...so who goes first?
>>>             And then whose in charge of the new community version?
>>>             Whoever setups a repo in GitHub first?
>>>             The ideal solution in my eyes would be to have a body of
>>>             people responsible for driving the direction of the
>>>             project, who represent the community, and are
>>>             responsible for managing the pull-requests etc. But that
>>>             roles currently being done (when they are allowed to!)
>>>             by paid employees of vTiger...
>>>             *From:*vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com<vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com>*On
>>>             Behalf Of*Ing. Francesco Bianco
>>>             *Sent:*18 July 2022 13:54
>>>             *To:*vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] no answer and no
>>>             commits oncode.vtiger.com <http://code.vtiger.com/>since
>>>             weeks?!
>>>             A good point could be to create a Community Contributed
>>>             version of Vtiger. Something that stays true to the
>>>             original version but accepts small independent
>>>             contributions and bug support.
>>>             My biggest fear is that if Composer support is not
>>>             introduced soon, the software will neither be
>>>             upgradeable nor usable at a professional level.
>>>             Il giorno lun 18 lug 2022 alle ore 14:36 Matus Sopko
>>>             <sopko at its4you.sk> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>                 First thanks to Martin ;-)
>>>                 Second, what we don't like in Yeti is the
>>>                 registration
>>>                 process:https://yetiforce.com/en/marketplace/system-registration
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>
>>>                 Matus
>>>
>>>                 IT-Solutions4You (ITS4You)
>>>
>>>                   
>>>
>>>                 SLOVAKIA
>>>
>>>                 Dňa 18. 7. 2022 o 13:51 Martin Allen napísal(a):
>>>
>>>                     I've looked at YetiForce a couple of times (not
>>>                     massively in-depth) and to be honest if it had
>>>                     EmailMaker and PDFMaker (from Its4You team) then
>>>                     I'd be looking at it as a realistic alternative
>>>                     – currently those two plugins allow our
>>>                     end-users so much additional functionality that
>>>                     customers want, that we basically install it in
>>>                     all our new CRMs by default now. So to switch to
>>>                     something that doesn't have the same
>>>                     functionality is much harder to sell to clients.
>>>                     (even if behind the scenes its 10x better!)
>>>                     *From:*vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com<vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com>
>>>                     <mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com>*On
>>>                     Behalf Of*Rubén A. Estrada Orozco
>>>                     *Sent:*15 July 2022 18:33
>>>                     *To:*vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
>>>                     *Subject:*Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] no answer
>>>                     and no commits oncode.vtiger.com
>>>                     <http://code.vtiger.com/>since weeks?!
>>>                     Have you guys considered this alternative?:
>>>                     https://github.com/YetiForceCompany/YetiForceCRM/commits/developer
>>>                     There have been DAiLY commits for a long time.
>>>                     I don't mean to disrespect anybody. It's really
>>>                     an honest question. I'm really interested in
>>>                     what you think about Yeti.
>>>                     Saludos
>>>                     Rubén
>>>                     On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 11:49 AM Sutharsan J
>>>                     <ajstharsan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         Hi
>>>                         Thinks are going on here
>>>                         eh?https://code.vtiger.com/vtiger/vtigercrm/tree/master
>>>                         Last commit was 2 months ago?
>>>                         Thanks
>>>                         Sutharsan Jeganathan
>>>                         On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 8:10 PM Martin Allen
>>>                         <martin.allen at exe-squared.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>                             https://github.com/vtiger-crm/vtigercrm
>>>                             It looks a little bit out of date
>>>                             though......😊
>>>                             *From:*vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com<vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com>*On
>>>                             Behalf Of*Ing. Francesco Bianco
>>>                             *Sent:*15 July 2022 12:46
>>>                             *To:*vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
>>>                             *Subject:*Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] no
>>>                             answer and no commits oncode.vtiger.com
>>>                             <http://code.vtiger.com/>since weeks?!
>>>                             Good point BUT having an official place
>>>                             on GitHub is an important placeholder.
>>>                             Many software not use GitHub as a
>>>                             primary source, BUT at the same time
>>>                             have a GitHub presence with a MIRROR
>>>                             This is the mirror of popular make tool
>>>                             from SAVANNAH directory on GitHub
>>>                             https://github.com/mirror/make
>>>                             I say ENOUGH accusing the VTIGER team,
>>>                             let's roll up our sleeves and create
>>>                             something ourselves. Let's give a modern
>>>                             touch to this project. It is
>>>                             unforgivable that even today CI or
>>>                             Docker or simply PHP Code Sniffer are
>>>                             not used to detect unused variables. But
>>>                             we want to wake up!
>>>                             Il giorno gio 14 lug 2022 alle ore 19:00
>>>                             Rubén A. Estrada Orozco
>>>                             <rulotec1 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>                                 Because they chose to host their own
>>>                                 GitLab open source platform. In my
>>>                                 opinion GitHub would be better.
>>>                                 Saludos
>>>                                 Rubén
>>>                                 On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 10:38 AM
>>>                                 Ing. Francesco Bianco
>>>                                 <info.francescobianco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                                     Why does Vtiger have NO official
>>>                                     place on GitHub?
>>>                                     Il giorno gio 14 lug 2022 alle
>>>                                     ore 17:08 lajeesh k
>>>                                     <lajeeshk at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>                                         The whole vtiger community
>>>                                         should get nominated for the
>>>                                         Nobel prize for partiance.
>>>
>>>                                         Regards,
>>>                                         Lajeesh
>>>                                         On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at
>>>                                         21:05, Rubén A. Estrada
>>>                                         Orozco <rulotec1 at gmail.com>
>>>                                         wrote:
>>>
>>>                                             +2 (me and my dog)
>>>                                             Saludos
>>>                                             Rubén
>>>                                             On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at
>>>                                             7:10 AM socialboostdk
>>>                                             <socialboostdk at gmail.com>
>>>                                             wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                 +1
>>>                                                 / Chris
>>>                                                 4
>>>                                                 On Fri, 24 Jun 2022
>>>                                                 at 10:59, Vincenzo
>>>                                                 Bruno
>>>                                                 <v.bruno at vinsoft.it>
>>>                                                 wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                     UP
>>>
>>>                                                     Il 14/06/22
>>>                                                     13:02, Angelo
>>>                                                     Paglialonga ha
>>>                                                     scritto:
>>>
>>>                                                         Hi @Prasad,
>>>                                                         there is too
>>>                                                         much silence
>>>                                                         on vtiger
>>>                                                         open source
>>>                                                         since weeks:
>>>                                                         no replies
>>>                                                         to any
>>>                                                         questions on
>>>                                                         newsletter,
>>>                                                         no answer on
>>>                                                         any issues
>>>                                                         and merge
>>>                                                         request
>>>                                                         no merge
>>>                                                         requests
>>>                                                         answered
>>>                                                         no news
>>>                                                         about vtiger
>>>                                                         7.5 release
>>>                                                         If you don't
>>>                                                         have time
>>>                                                         just let
>>>                                                         someone in
>>>                                                         community do it.
>>>                                                         We would
>>>                                                         like to help
>>>                                                         you, but
>>>                                                         this way it
>>>                                                         doesn't
>>>                                                         work, it's
>>>                                                         just pointless.
>>>                                                         Best Regards
>>>                                                         *Dott.
>>>                                                         Angelo
>>>                                                         Paglialonga*
>>>                                                         *Consulenza
>>>                                                         vTiger CRM
>>>                                                         ad alto ROI.*
>>>
>>>                                                         *Telefono:
>>>                                                         338.6077866*
>>>
>>>                                                         _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>                                                         http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                                                     -- 
>>>
>>>                                                       
>>>
>>>                                                     Vincenzo Bruno (cell. 328-7252923)
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>                                                          
>>>
>>>                                                     _______________________________________________
>>>                                                     http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                                                 _______________________________________________
>>>                                                 http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                                             _______________________________________________
>>>                                             http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                                         _______________________________________________
>>>                                         http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                                     --
>>>                                     *Ing. Francesco Bianco*
>>>                                     Senior Software Engineer, CRM
>>>                                     Solution Architect
>>>                                     - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>                                     - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>                                     email:
>>>                                     info.francescobianco at gmail.com
>>>                                       pec: info.francescobianco at pec.it
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>>>                                      social:
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>>>
>>>                                     --
>>>                                     Ai sensi del D.L. n° 196 del
>>>                                     30/06/03 si precisa che le
>>>                                     informazioni contenute
>>>                                     in questo messaggio sono
>>>                                     riservate e ad uso esclusivo del
>>>                                     destinatario.
>>>                                     Qualora il messaggio Le fosse
>>>                                     pervenuto per errore La
>>>                                     preghiamo di eliminarlo
>>>                                     senza copiarlo, e di non
>>>                                     inviarlo a terzi, dandocene
>>>                                     gentilmente comunicazione.
>>>                                     Grazie.
>>>                                     _______________________________________________
>>>                                     http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                                 _______________________________________________
>>>                                 http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                             --
>>>                             *Ing. Francesco Bianco*
>>>                             Senior Software Engineer, CRM Solution
>>>                             Architect
>>>                             - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>                             - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>                             email: info.francescobianco at gmail.com
>>>                             pec: info.francescobianco at pec.it
>>>                                blog: https://medium.com/@yafb
>>>                                sito: https://italia.codecrm.org
>>>                              social: https://linkedin.com/in/yafb
>>>                              mobile: +39 320 0466987
>>>                               p.iva: 02360350819
>>>
>>>                             --
>>>                             Ai sensi del D.L. n° 196 del 30/06/03 si
>>>                             precisa che le informazioni contenute
>>>                             in questo messaggio sono riservate e ad
>>>                             uso esclusivo del destinatario.
>>>                             Qualora il messaggio Le fosse pervenuto
>>>                             per errore La preghiamo di eliminarlo
>>>                             senza copiarlo, e di non inviarlo a
>>>                             terzi, dandocene gentilmente comunicazione.
>>>                             Grazie.
>>>                             _______________________________________________
>>>                             http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                         --
>>>                         Development Manager
>>>                         Radus28 Software Solution
>>>
>>>                         123, Level 2, Mc Larens Building
>>>                         Baudhaloka Mw.
>>>                         Colombo 04
>>>                         Sri Lanka
>>>                         M : +94773795291
>>>                         E  :sutharsan at radus28.com
>>>                         W :www.radus28.com <http://www.radus28.com/>
>>>                         _______________________________________________
>>>                         http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                     _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>                     http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>                 _______________________________________________
>>>                 http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>             --
>>>             *Ing. Francesco Bianco*
>>>             Senior Software Engineer, CRM Solution Architect
>>>             - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>             - - - -
>>>             email: info.francescobianco at gmail.com
>>>             pec: info.francescobianco at pec.it
>>>                blog: https://medium.com/@yafb
>>>                sito: https://italia.codecrm.org
>>>              social: https://linkedin.com/in/yafb
>>>              mobile: +39 320 0466987
>>>               p.iva: 02360350819
>>>
>>>             --
>>>             Ai sensi del D.L. n° 196 del 30/06/03 si precisa che le
>>>             informazioni contenute
>>>             in questo messaggio sono riservate e ad uso esclusivo
>>>             del destinatario.
>>>             Qualora il messaggio Le fosse pervenuto per errore La
>>>             preghiamo di eliminarlo
>>>             senza copiarlo, e di non inviarlo a terzi, dandocene
>>>             gentilmente comunicazione.
>>>             Grazie.
>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>             http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>         http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     http://www.vtiger.com/
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     http://www.vtiger.com/
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     http://www.vtiger.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.vtiger.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.vtiger.com/

-- 

Vincenzo Bruno (cell. 328-7252923)
Coopyleft (www.vinsoft.it/coopyleft)
Digital Polis (www.digitalpolis.it)
Hacklab Cosenza (www.hlcs.it)
     
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