From libregeek at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 00:42:52 2007
From: libregeek at gmail.com (Manilal K M)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:12:52 +0530
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Passwords stored in clear text
Message-ID: <2315046d0708030042q188219duf85284f935b37e25@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  I just want to draw your attention to this bug :

http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/4102

If the suggestions makes sense, then I can provide a patch for it.

regards

-- 
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From linda at panorama-ibe.com  Fri Aug  3 02:53:48 2007
From: linda at panorama-ibe.com (linda@panorama-ibe.com)
Date: Fri,  3 Aug 2007 11:53:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Quotes
Message-ID: <20070803095348.0FA3821C1B@atmail.b-one.net>

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From minnie at vtiger.com  Fri Aug  3 04:19:29 2007
From: minnie at vtiger.com (Minnie)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:49:29 +0530
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Quotes
In-Reply-To: <20070803095348.0FA3821C1B@atmail.b-one.net>
References: <20070803095348.0FA3821C1B@atmail.b-one.net>
Message-ID: <1142b739883.-6293939521037223417.-3143125869309741087@vtiger.com>

Dear Linda,

          Kindly let me know which version of vtiger CRM you arereferring to. In the latest version ie., vtiger CRM 5.0.3 , whilecreating a quote you can select the "Account Name" . The Account -Address Information will get populated to the Quotes-AddressInformation. You do not need to fill all the form field.

Get back to me if you need any further clarifications.

Thanks & Regards,
Minnie.






----On Fri, 03 Aug 2007   <linda at panorama-ibe.com> wrote ---- 

                                                                                    Help!  As I try to create a quote why can I not click on the folder next to "Account name" and get all the information from the database, do I really have to fill in all that information all over again?

Thanks,
Linda
Panorama IBE

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From cliff at ccpip.com  Fri Aug  3 04:53:25 2007
From: cliff at ccpip.com (Cliff Pankonien)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:53:25 -0400
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] unable to log in after database
Message-ID: <46B31735.7080302@ccpip.com>

Greetings;
	This may not be the proper place to ask this question, but I am 
desperate to get vTiger up and running again. I've asked this question 
in as many vTiger forums as I could, with no solution.
	I recently rebuilt my vTiger server, and was unaware that I also needed 
to back up the user_privileges directory. I have successfully restored 
the database, but now when I try to login I get

Warning: require(user_privileges/sharing_privileges_3.php) 
[function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in 
/var/www/vtigercrm/include/utils/UserInfoUtil.php on line 1367

The suggestion from the forums was to log in to vtiger, then recalculate 
permissions. The problem is that I cannot log in to do that, so I assume 
it must be done from the command line. Is this possible? I have about 6 
months of invoices, quotes, product data, etc and so am very anxious to 
get this problem fixed. I will gladly pay a reasonable sum if necessary, 
as this application is perfect for my needs.

Thanks,

Cliff Pankonien


From linda at panorama-ibe.com  Fri Aug  3 05:30:10 2007
From: linda at panorama-ibe.com (linda@panorama-ibe.com)
Date: Fri,  3 Aug 2007 14:30:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] unable to log in after database
Message-ID: <20070803123010.58C7E25C0D@atmail.b-one.net>

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From joe at tsolucio.com  Fri Aug  3 07:07:08 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:07:08 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] unable to log in after database
In-Reply-To: <ed5905270708030653l25fc3261w34dcf438052589d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46B31735.7080302@ccpip.com>
	<ed5905270708030653l25fc3261w34dcf438052589d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1186150028.8753.5.camel@joesunix.int>

Hi,

Thank you very much for the reference David :-))

Cliff, we do have a solution for your problem. Contact me if you need
to.

Regards, Joe
TSolucio

El vie, 03-08-2007 a las 10:53 -0300, David fire escribi?:
> hi
> maybe this is not the best solution but mybe it works...
> export all the data... just the data and if you want the user info
> too....
> make a new instalation from 0 create a new database when you have
> vtiger working again import the data.... 
> and if you cant do this and you need pay service go to tsolucio
> http://tsolucio.com/index.php?lang=en write to joe and ask for a
> quote. dont forget to say ddfire give you the address 
> 
> 2007/8/3, Cliff Pankonien <cliff at ccpip.com>:
>         Greetings;
>                 This may not be the proper place to ask this question,
>         but I am
>         desperate to get vTiger up and running again. I've asked this
>         question
>         in as many vTiger forums as I could, with no solution. 
>                 I recently rebuilt my vTiger server, and was unaware
>         that I also needed
>         to back up the user_privileges directory. I have successfully
>         restored
>         the database, but now when I try to login I get
>         
>         Warning: require(user_privileges/sharing_privileges_3.php) 
>         [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or
>         directory in
>         /var/www/vtigercrm/include/utils/UserInfoUtil.php on line 1367
>         
>         The suggestion from the forums was to log in to vtiger, then
>         recalculate 
>         permissions. The problem is that I cannot log in to do that,
>         so I assume
>         it must be done from the command line. Is this possible? I
>         have about 6
>         months of invoices, quotes, product data, etc and so am very
>         anxious to 
>         get this problem fixed. I will gladly pay a reasonable sum if
>         necessary,
>         as this application is perfect for my needs.
>         
>         Thanks,
>         
>         Cliff Pankonien
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         Reach hundreds of potential candidates -
>         http://jobs.vtiger.com
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> (\__/) 
> (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your 
> (")_(")signature to help him gain world domination. 


From joe at tsolucio.com  Fri Aug  3 07:13:19 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:13:19 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] How to achieve modularization in vtiger?
In-Reply-To: <46779E49.3000807@vtiger.com>
References: <46779E49.3000807@vtiger.com>
Message-ID: <1186150399.8753.7.camel@joesunix.int>

Hi,

How did this turn out?
Was this email just political? There was no real intention to let us in
on your plans, much less on develpoment, or you just haven't got around
to informing?

Joe
TSolucio


El mar, 19-06-2007 a las 14:43 +0530, richie escribi?:
> Dear Team,
> 
> Modularization is an important need for vtiger.
> I would like to get your ideas on this front please.
> 
> Thanks,
> Richie
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 


From frank at thyamad.com  Fri Aug  3 07:30:55 2007
From: frank at thyamad.com (Frank Alcantara)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:30:55 -0300
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] How to achieve modularization in vtiger?
In-Reply-To: <1186150399.8753.7.camel@joesunix.int>
References: <46779E49.3000807@vtiger.com>
	<1186150399.8753.7.camel@joesunix.int>
Message-ID: <1bab94f60708030730u23108e03vfb8e8fa2a38b481e@mail.gmail.com>

Good Question Joe! I have some ideas about this subject also and would like
to know what is going on.

Frank

On 8/3/07, Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> How did this turn out?
> Was this email just political? There was no real intention to let us in
> on your plans, much less on develpoment, or you just haven't got around
> to informing?
>
> Joe
> TSolucio
>
>
> El mar, 19-06-2007 a las 14:43 +0530, richie escribi?:
> > Dear Team,
> >
> > Modularization is an important need for vtiger.
> > I would like to get your ideas on this front please.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Richie
> > _______________________________________________
> > Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com




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From joe at tsolucio.com  Fri Aug  3 09:00:22 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:00:22 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Private messaging on vtiger forum
Message-ID: <1186156822.8753.35.camel@joesunix.int>

Hi,

I have just seen that Private messaging has been disabled on vtiger
forge. I would like to understand that this is due to some techinical
problem and not to other reasons and that we will get functionality back
shortly.

If not, I would like
- HenVog and biketom
- dosmu
to contact me at joe at vtiger-spain.com
so I can send them the quotes they asked for.
And that vtiger team send me a copy of my emails. I had some of them
that I would like to keep.

Regards, Joe
TSolucio


From cliff at ccpip.com  Fri Aug  3 14:01:03 2007
From: cliff at ccpip.com (Cliff Pankonien)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:01:03 -0400
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] unable to login after database restore;
	fixed!
Message-ID: <46B3978F.3060006@ccpip.com>

Thanks to all for your responses. Don from vtiger sent me the fix, which 
involved replacing existing /user_privileges/user_privileges_3.php and 
sharing_privileges_3.php with those that he sent me. i logged in as 
admin, recalculated privileges and woohoo! back in!

Thanks to Don!

cliff

From joe at tsolucio.com  Mon Aug  6 11:19:05 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:19:05 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
Message-ID: <46B76619.1000800@tsolucio.com>

Hello,

I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and tell me what
to do.
I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know if it is
just me that is understanding the wrong message.
If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and tell it to
me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no regret.
I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what those rules are.
I still believe we could get farther together, but if you don't, it's OK.

Thank you.
Joe. TSolucio

From brian at awnow.com  Mon Aug  6 11:31:30 2007
From: brian at awnow.com (Brian Laughlin)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:31:30 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
Message-ID: <C5072F0716BD0546808ABC66C19C675A013BF9@vserverex.awnow.local>

Joe,

Are you saying that you feel vTiger Devs are telling you to get lost?
My words, not yours.

Brian 

-----Original Message-----
From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com
[mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of
Joe Bordes
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:19 AM
To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation

Hello,

I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and tell me what
to do.
I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know if it is
just me that is understanding the wrong message.
If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and tell it to
me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no regret.
I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what those rules
are.
I still believe we could get farther together, but if you don't, it's
OK.

Thank you.
Joe. TSolucio
_______________________________________________
Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 



From svk at vtiger.com  Mon Aug  6 12:44:16 2007
From: svk at vtiger.com (Sreenivas Kanumuru)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
Message-ID: <1143cb4cf4a.2845193183698934506.2723990716066618342@vtiger.com>

Hi Joe,

At the outset, i would like to put any doubts to rest. We value the contributions from the community and strongly feel that vtiger's success will ride on it. As far as the roadmap, and merging community contributions, i agree that we need to do a better job at communicating our plans and the status. vtiger user base is growing and so is the developer and partner community. Some of these issues can be attributed to the growing pains. We understand the need to address this.

I have joined vtiger a few weeks back with the primary focus on developing partnerships with companies like yours. Like you said in this forum post: "imagine EVERY vtigerCRM install in the world, with all their needs waiting in line for one company to satisfy them all", i am here to just avoid that!

I hope to talk to you and understand your objectives. Please suggest a time that works for you (i am in california)

Also, since this is my first post to this list, let me take this opportunity to thank all the contributors. We will strive to keep you informed about our plans. In the coming weeks and months we will be sharing more details about the roadmap on our blog. 

Regards,
Sreenivas

---

Sreenivas Kanumuru
Vice President, Business Development and Solutions
vtiger

Office: (408) 716-8592
Cell: (408) 836-5810




----On Mon, 06 Aug 2007  Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com> wrote ---- 

                                                                                    Hello,

I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and tell me what
to do.
I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know if it is
just me that is understanding the wrong message.
If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and tell it to
me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no regret.
I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what those rules are.
I still believe we could get farther together, but if you don't, it's OK.

Thank you.
Joe. TSolucio
_______________________________________________
Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 

                                                         
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From joe at tsolucio.com  Mon Aug  6 15:02:19 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:02:19 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <C5072F0716BD0546808ABC66C19C675A013BF9@vserverex.awnow.local>
References: <C5072F0716BD0546808ABC66C19C675A013BF9@vserverex.awnow.local>
Message-ID: <46B79A6B.6070504@tsolucio.com>

Hi Brian,

That is exactly how I feel. That is the message I am getting. May be
wrong but...

Joe


Brian Laughlin escribi?:
> Joe,
>
> Are you saying that you feel vTiger Devs are telling you to get lost?
> My words, not yours.
>
> Brian 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com
> [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of
> Joe Bordes
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
> Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and tell me what
> to do.
> I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know if it is
> just me that is understanding the wrong message.
> If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and tell it to
> me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no regret.
> I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what those rules
> are.
> I still believe we could get farther together, but if you don't, it's
> OK.
>
> Thank you.
> Joe. TSolucio
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 
>
>   


From brett.hooker at roarz.com  Mon Aug  6 15:51:29 2007
From: brett.hooker at roarz.com (Brett Hooker)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:51:29 +1000
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <1143cb4cf4a.2845193183698934506.2723990716066618342@vtiger.com>
References: <1143cb4cf4a.2845193183698934506.2723990716066618342@vtiger.com>
Message-ID: <46B7A5F1.2060503@roarz.com>

Sreenivas,

It would be great if the language and actions reflected a community 
centric approach to the project too.  For example, collaboration on the 
roadmap would be better than the vtiger team just sharing it with us... ;-)

I've watched Joe's frustration over the last few months, and it's a huge 
shame.  The projects he has worked on, and had to step away from, would 
have been tremendous additions to the project.

I implore you to engage your regional advocates with the utmost priority 
- especially Joe.  I look forward to seeing an announcement about a 
strategic alliance formed with tsolucio within days... ;-)

If your primary focus really is developing partnerships, I'm a little 
surprised to see this is your first post here and that you'll be getting 
back to us over the next few weeks.  I would have thought that we'd all 
have had personal contact from you already with the objective being to 
meet us and see how each of us can help.

Sorry this is a tad negative.  I look forward to tremendous positive 
communications with you over the next week...

Thanks,
Brett


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ROARZ emphasizes keeping websites proactively up-to-date and integrated 
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with our rich web-based application suite this delivers customer 
convenience and staff efficiency outcomes.


Sreenivas Kanumuru wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> At the outset, i would like to put any doubts to rest. We value the 
> contributions from the community and strongly feel that vtiger's 
> success will ride on it. As far as the roadmap, and merging community 
> contributions, i agree that we need to do a better job at 
> communicating our plans and the status. vtiger user base is growing 
> and so is the developer and partner community. Some of these issues 
> can be attributed to the growing pains. We understand the need to 
> address this.
>
> I have joined vtiger a few weeks back with the primary focus on 
> developing partnerships with companies like yours. Like you said in 
> this forum <http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=15744> post: 
> "imagine EVERY vtigerCRM install in the world, with all their needs 
> waiting in line for one company to satisfy them all", i am here to 
> just avoid that!
>
> I hope to talk to you and understand your objectives. Please suggest a 
> time that works for you (i am in california)
>
> Also, since this is my first post to this list, let me take this 
> opportunity to thank all the contributors. We will strive to keep you 
> informed about our plans. In the coming weeks and months we will be 
> sharing more details about the roadmap on our blog.
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas
>
> ---
>
> Sreenivas Kanumuru
> Vice President, Business Development and Solutions
> vtiger
>
> Office: (408) 716-8592
> Cell: (408) 836-5810
>
>
>
>
> ----On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 *Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>* wrote ----
>
>     Hello,
>
>     I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and tell me
>     what
>     to do.
>     I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know if it is
>     just me that is understanding the wrong message.
>     If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and tell it to
>     me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no regret.
>     I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what those
>     rules are.
>     I still believe we could get farther together, but if you don't,
>     it's OK.
>
>     Thank you.
>     Joe. TSolucio
>     _______________________________________________
>     Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 

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From brian at awnow.com  Mon Aug  6 17:05:37 2007
From: brian at awnow.com (Brian Laughlin)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:05:37 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
Message-ID: <C5072F0716BD0546808ABC66C19C675A013C0F@vserverex.awnow.local>

Joe,

I've seen your contributions and can completely understand how you are feeling.  What I know about Richie and Gopal is that I really believe (my thoughts) that is NOT the message they want sent.  I've been away for a bit so I haven't been as active, but I know that Richie has communicated very openly about supporting developers and that it's a part of the overall strategy for vTiger.

Despite the best intentions sometimes execution is far from it and it can come across as get lost.  Not an excuse, but a possible explanation.  I continue to encourage you and I love the effort you put forth.  vTiger is a baby growing quickly and is experiencing growing pains.

Thanks for your commitment.  I along with many others recognize you and thank you.  I'm sure it'll all work out.  Please keep pressing.

Brian Laughlin 

-----Original Message-----
From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bordes
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:02 PM
To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation

Hi Brian,

That is exactly how I feel. That is the message I am getting. May be wrong but...

Joe


Brian Laughlin escribi?:
> Joe,
>
> Are you saying that you feel vTiger Devs are telling you to get lost?
> My words, not yours.
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com
> [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joe Bordes
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
> Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and tell me 
> what to do.
> I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know if it is 
> just me that is understanding the wrong message.
> If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and tell it to 
> me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no regret.
> I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what those 
> rules are.
> I still believe we could get farther together, but if you don't, it's 
> OK.
>
> Thank you.
> Joe. TSolucio
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
>   

_______________________________________________
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From svk at vtiger.com  Mon Aug  6 18:25:56 2007
From: svk at vtiger.com (Sreenivas Kanumuru)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:25:56 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
Message-ID: <1143ded9e4e.-3884811708110629460.8404069767072049971@vtiger.com>

Hi Brett,

I didn't explicitly state it, but we plan to use our blogs to gather feedback from the developer and user community to prioritize the near term feature set and release timetable.

I've watched Joe's frustration over the last few months, and it's ahuge shame.  The projects he has worked on, and had to step away from,would have been tremendous additions to the project.


To be frank, the 5.0.3 release goal was to make the platform robust. This was done at the expense of delaying the features. Now, as we start planning for the next release, you will soon find more communication from us to help shortlist a few forge projects that could be taken up for integration. Also, if we can make it easier in the platform for users to easily add/remove vtiger forge modules, it might go a long way in addressing some concerns.

If your primary focus really is developing partnerships, I'm a littlesurprised to see this is your first post here and that you'll begetting back to us over the next few weeks. I would have thought thatwe'd all have had personal contact from you already with the objectivebeing to meet us and see how each of us can help.


Well, guess i am a slow starter! Kidding aside, while it might not be practical to meet each one, i certainly hope to meet some of you in the coming days and weeks, as i hit the road. Meanwhile, i welcome your feedback & thoughts. If you are available to talk, please suggest a time that works for you.


Regards,
Sreenivas







----On Mon, 06 Aug 2007  Brett Hooker <brett.hooker at roarz.com> wrote ---- 

                                                                                      Sreenivas,

It would be great if the language and actions reflected a communitycentric approach to the project too.  For example, collaboration on theroadmap would be better than the vtiger team just sharing it with us...;-)

I've watched Joe's frustration over the last few months, and it's ahuge shame.  The projects he has worked on, and had to step away from,would have been tremendous additions to the project.

I implore you to engage your regional advocates with the utmostpriority - especially Joe.  I look forward to seeing an announcementabout a strategic alliance formed with tsolucio within days... ;-)

If your primary focus really is developing partnerships, I'm a littlesurprised to see this is your first post here and that you'll begetting back to us over the next few weeks.  I would have thought thatwe'd all have had personal contact from you already with the objectivebeing to meet us and see how each of us can help.

Sorry this is a tad negative.  I look forward to tremendous positivecommunications with you over the next week...

Thanks,
Brett

            
             http://www.roarz.com/email Phone: 1300 885 125  Fax: 07 3009 0648  ABN: 69 113 777594  PO Box 1091 Capalaba Qld 4157
      ROARZ emphasizes keeping websites proactively up-to-dateandintegrated with marketing, sales, and customer service activities. Whencombined with our rich web-based application suite this deliverscustomer convenience and staff efficiency outcomes.     
  
Sreenivas Kanumuru wrote:  Hi Joe,
  
At the outset, i would like to put any doubts to rest. We value thecontributions from the community and strongly feel that vtiger'ssuccess will ride on it. As far as the roadmap, and merging communitycontributions, i agree that we need to do a better job at communicatingour plans and the status. vtiger user base is growing and so is thedeveloper and partner community. Some of these issues can be attributedto the growing pains. We understand the need to address this.
  
I have joined vtiger a few weeks back with the primary focus ondeveloping partnerships with companies like yours. Like you said in this forumpost: "imagine EVERY vtigerCRM install in the world,with all their needs waiting in line for one company to satisfy themall", i am here to just avoid that!
  
  I hope to talk to you and understand your objectives. Pleasesuggest a time that works for you (i am in california)
  
Also, since this is my first post to this list, let me take thisopportunity to thank all the contributors. We will strive to keep youinformed about our plans. In the coming weeks and months we will besharing more details about the roadmap on our blog. 
  
Regards,
Sreenivas
  
---
  
Sreenivas Kanumuru
Vice President, Business Development and Solutions
vtiger
  
Office: (408) 716-8592
Cell: (408) 836-5810
  
  
  
  
----On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>wrote ---- 
  
      Hello,
    
I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and tell me what
to do.
I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know if it is
just me that is understanding the wrong message.
If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and tell it to
me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no regret.
I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what those rulesare.
I still believe we could get farther together, but if you don't, it'sOK.
    
Thank you.
Joe. TSolucio
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Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 
    
    

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From brett.hooker at roarz.com  Mon Aug  6 20:48:16 2007
From: brett.hooker at roarz.com (Brett Hooker)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:48:16 +1000
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <1143ded9e4e.-3884811708110629460.8404069767072049971@vtiger.com>
References: <1143ded9e4e.-3884811708110629460.8404069767072049971@vtiger.com>
Message-ID: <46B7EB80.30409@roarz.com>

Sreenivas,

Thank you for your reply.  I will setup a time to chat this week.

Thanks,
Brett


	www.roarz.com <http://www.roarz.com/email>  Phone: 1300 885 125  Fax: 
07 3009 0648  ABN: 69 113 777 594  PO Box 1091 Capalaba Qld 4157
ROARZ emphasizes keeping websites proactively up-to-date and integrated 
with marketing, sales, and customer service activities.  When combined 
with our rich web-based application suite this delivers customer 
convenience and staff efficiency outcomes.

Sreenivas Kanumuru wrote:
> Hi Brett,
>
> I didn't explicitly state it, but we plan to use our blogs to gather 
> feedback from the developer and user community to prioritize the near 
> term feature set and release timetable.
>
> I've watched Joe's frustration over the last few months, and it's a 
> huge shame.  The projects he has worked on, and had to step away from, 
> would have been tremendous additions to the project.
>
> To be frank, the 5.0.3 release goal was to make the platform robust. 
> This was done at the expense of delaying the features. Now, as we 
> start planning for the next release, you will soon find more 
> communication from us to help shortlist a few forge projects that 
> could be taken up for integration. Also, if we can make it easier in 
> the platform for users to easily add/remove vtiger forge modules, it 
> might go a long way in addressing some concerns.
>
> If your primary focus really is developing partnerships, I'm a little 
> surprised to see this is your first post here and that you'll be 
> getting back to us over the next few weeks. I would have thought that 
> we'd all have had personal contact from you already with the objective 
> being to meet us and see how each of us can help.
>
> Well, guess i am a slow starter! Kidding aside, while it might not be 
> practical to meet each one, i certainly hope to meet some of you in 
> the coming days and weeks, as i hit the road. Meanwhile, i welcome 
> your feedback & thoughts. If you are available to talk, please suggest 
> a time that works for you.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 *Brett Hooker <brett.hooker at roarz.com>* wrote 
> ----
>
>     Sreenivas,
>
>     It would be great if the language and actions reflected a
>     community centric approach to the project too.  For example,
>     collaboration on the roadmap would be better than the vtiger team
>     just sharing it with us... ;-)
>
>     I've watched Joe's frustration over the last few months, and it's
>     a huge shame.  The projects he has worked on, and had to step away
>     from, would have been tremendous additions to the project.
>
>     I implore you to engage your regional advocates with the utmost
>     priority - especially Joe.  I look forward to seeing an
>     announcement about a strategic alliance formed with tsolucio
>     within days... ;-)
>
>     If your primary focus really is developing partnerships, I'm a
>     little surprised to see this is your first post here and that
>     you'll be getting back to us over the next few weeks.  I would
>     have thought that we'd all have had personal contact from you
>     already with the objective being to meet us and see how each of us
>     can help.
>
>     Sorry this is a tad negative.  I look forward to tremendous
>     positive communications with you over the next week...
>
>     Thanks,
>     Brett
>
>
>     	http://www.roarz.com/email  Phone: 1300 885 125  Fax: 07 3009
>     0648  ABN: 69 113 777 594  PO Box 1091 Capalaba Qld 4157
>     ROARZ emphasizes keeping websites proactively up-to-date and
>     integrated with marketing, sales, and customer service
>     activities.  When combined with our rich web-based application
>     suite this delivers customer convenience and staff efficiency
>     outcomes.
>
>
>     Sreenivas Kanumuru wrote:
>>     Hi Joe,
>>
>>     At the outset, i would like to put any doubts to rest. We value
>>     the contributions from the community and strongly feel that
>>     vtiger's success will ride on it. As far as the roadmap, and
>>     merging community contributions, i agree that we need to do a
>>     better job at communicating our plans and the status. vtiger user
>>     base is growing and so is the developer and partner community.
>>     Some of these issues can be attributed to the growing pains. We
>>     understand the need to address this.
>>
>>     I have joined vtiger a few weeks back with the primary focus on
>>     developing partnerships with companies like yours. Like you said
>>     in this forum <http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=15744>
>>     post: "imagine EVERY vtigerCRM install in the world, with all
>>     their needs waiting in line for one company to satisfy them all",
>>     i am here to just avoid that!
>>
>>     I hope to talk to you and understand your objectives. Please
>>     suggest a time that works for you (i am in california)
>>
>>     Also, since this is my first post to this list, let me take this
>>     opportunity to thank all the contributors. We will strive to keep
>>     you informed about our plans. In the coming weeks and months we
>>     will be sharing more details about the roadmap on our blog.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     Sreenivas
>>
>>     ---
>>
>>     Sreenivas Kanumuru
>>     Vice President, Business Development and Solutions
>>     vtiger
>>
>>     Office: (408) 716-8592
>>     Cell: (408) 836-5810
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ----On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 *Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>
>>     <mailto:joe at tsolucio.com>* wrote ----
>>
>>         Hello,
>>
>>         I would like somebody on the vtiger team to contact me and
>>         tell me what
>>         to do.
>>         I am recieveing signs of "get out of here" and I don't know
>>         if it is
>>         just me that is understanding the wrong message.
>>         If it is the correct message, could you please be clear and
>>         tell it to
>>         me straight, I can leave if you want me to, no problem, no
>>         regret.
>>         I am willing to play by your rules, but I need to know what
>>         those rules are.
>>         I still believe we could get farther together, but if you
>>         don't, it's OK.
>>
>>         Thank you.
>>         Joe. TSolucio
>>         _______________________________________________
>>         Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 
>

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From rasomu at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 00:05:44 2007
From: rasomu at gmail.com (Rafael Soler)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:05:44 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigercrm-developers Digest, Vol 20,
	Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3555.1186458532.4976.vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com>
References: <mailman.3555.1186458532.4976.vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com>
Message-ID: <6ce93de40708070005l40c7dedk75b7ea9269b8e946@mail.gmail.com>

>
> From: Sreenivas Kanumuru <svk at vtiger.com>




 Now, as we start planning for the next release, you will soon find more
> communication from us to help shortlist a few forge projects that could be
> taken up for integration. Also, if we can make it easier in the platform
> for users to easily add/remove vtiger forge modules, it might go a long way
> in addressing some concerns.
>

Thanks for try to do things easier on the crm, but please, stop integrating
projects on the crm, it's a pain to set a minium crm project disabling all
the features you don't need.

Stablish a minimal core, and let the community do the rest, they will do the
new modules, mantein them and you will have time to put your effort on
vision ,strategy and support and not resolving thousand bugs of proyects
that you have not developped and you only have integrated.

PD. Please don't let Joe go, I think is one of the people is doing more on
the Vtiger community, bring him a hand, I have the same feeling that Joe has
about the Vtiger team, he's been forgotten.

Rasomu
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From davidv.net at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 09:42:58 2007
From: davidv.net at gmail.com (David V.)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:42:58 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <C5072F0716BD0546808ABC66C19C675A013C0F@vserverex.awnow.local>
References: <C5072F0716BD0546808ABC66C19C675A013C0F@vserverex.awnow.local>
Message-ID: <ede3a6e20708070942k7f414b79mdc680f7a0b6e49c6@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

Thanks for the good work you have done for vtiger.
Please don't stop.

David V.
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From chazarra.clement at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 11:26:46 2007
From: chazarra.clement at gmail.com (clement chazarra)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:26:46 +0100
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <ede3a6e20708070942k7f414b79mdc680f7a0b6e49c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C5072F0716BD0546808ABC66C19C675A013C0F@vserverex.awnow.local>
	<ede3a6e20708070942k7f414b79mdc680f7a0b6e49c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d09d4a7b0708071126q241fc314x147405a16fef5cb7@mail.gmail.com>

Well, we come back to the recurrent problems of communication between vTiger
and the community..
Since 4.2.3, I have been following vTiger, trying to contribute at my level,
but already the communication was very difficult, subscription or no
subscription... Some times answers came pretty quickly but mostly it was
very difficult to get the support you expect.

Already questions raised about the lack of feedback from vTiger team to the
community, but after a while came the  development of version 5, so I
decided to stop pursuing vTiger with my concerns, and even if I paid for
support, I didn't ask a question for months, leaving the team to the
development (At this time I understood that the same people developed and
supported, I may have been wrong.. I hope).

vTiger 5 came out and after a while came back indoors for major bug fixes...
And now 5.0.3 is out, which is great, major improvements, but still, the key
functionalities are still buggy (Migration / emails / Versionning). Anyway
at this point, I felt like a reborn of vTiger, many people were excited, and
we also get promises about a better communication... but so far, it's not
true..

For sure, when vTiger reply on the forum or list, it sounds very kind,
considering the needs and requests of the community, but being polite is not
all, it isn't enough, how long do people as Joe have to pursue vTiger team
to get an answer? And we are not talking about people who just use vTiger,
we are talking about contributors, the heart of an open source project.
Without contributors, I don't see the point to be open source. Personally I
stopped replying to forums a while ago (shame on me) because I don't feel
the dynamic I expect.

Come on vTiger, assign somebody to this list, somebody to refer to, which
will pass all the serious communication to you, with a feet in your team and
the other in the community, a person well known from us capable to represent
us in your meetings.

It's time for a change..

With kind regards ;)
Clem



On 8/7/07, David V. <davidv.net at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Thanks for the good work you have done for vtiger.
> Please don't stop.
>
> David V.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
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From svk at vtiger.com  Wed Aug  8 00:53:42 2007
From: svk at vtiger.com (Sreenivas Kanumuru)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:53:42 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
Message-ID: <1144476feb7.4737492490937604112.-5997078566770440665@vtiger.com>


Hi Clement,

We do follow this list closely. 

I had a good conversation today with Joe Bordes (Tsolucio) and heard his primary concerns:
Lack of proper documentation & resources to help new developers get started with vtiger.

Cumbersome process for creating new modules, and adding/removing modules.

Not involving the community in setting the roadmap and feature development

Ignoring contributions (bug fixes, .etc) from the community

and lastly, lack of promotional opportunities for partners on the vtiger website.
All of these are areas where we need to act, and communicate better (on items 3 & 4). You'll see us responding to these in the coming days, weeks, and months.

I also talked to Brett Hooker (Roarz) and got very useful input. Brett has worked with Joomla extensively and feels that Joomla's modular architecture is something to aim for as we try to make it easy for developers to create extensions/plugins on vtiger. Brett mentioned that Joomla's compartmentalized design has enabled more than 1800 extensions to date, which is pretty impressive. 

Brett brought out the distinction that unlike  Joomla, which isa completely community driven effort, vtiger has a core product team,supported by a community. Clearly, the structure for collaboration isdifferent. We need to to putin mechanisms in place that enables more free flowing contributions. To begin with, the core vtiger architecture needs to enable this. That is a priority for the next major release. We'll share some thoughts in a few weeks time as we embark on this. With your support, we hope to make significant progress before the end of this year.

I would like to thank both of them for their input, and welcome more such conversations. We are determined to make vtiger a thriving community.

Regards,
Sreenivas

---
Sreenivas Kanumuru
Vice President,  Business Development and Solutions
vtiger

Office: 1 (408) 716-8592
Cell: 1 (408) 836-5810	




----On Tue, 07 Aug 2007  clement chazarra <chazarra.clement at gmail.com> wrote ---- 

                                                                                    Well, we come back to the recurrent problems of communication between vTiger and the community..
Since 4.2.3, I have been following vTiger, trying to contribute at my level, but already the communication was very difficult, subscription or no subscription... Some times answers came pretty quickly but mostly it was very difficult to get the support you expect.

Already questions raised about the lack of feedback from vTiger team to the community, but after a while came the  development of version 5, so I decided to stop pursuing vTiger with my concerns, and even if I paid for support, I didn't ask a question for months, leaving the team to the development (At this time I understood that the same people developed and supported, I may have been wrong.. I hope).

vTiger 5 came out and after a while came back indoors for major bug fixes... And now 5.0.3 is out, which is great, major improvements, but still, the key functionalities are still buggy (Migration / emails / Versionning). Anyway at this point, I felt like a reborn of vTiger, many people were excited, and we also get promises about a better communication... but so far, it's not true.. 

For sure, when vTiger reply on the forum or list, it sounds very kind, considering the needs and requests of the community, but being polite is not all, it isn't enough, how long do people as Joe have to pursue vTiger team to get an answer? And we are not talking about people who just use vTiger, we are talking about contributors, the heart of an open source project. Without contributors, I don't see the point to be open source. Personally I stopped replying to forums a while ago (shame on me) because I don't feel the dynamic I expect.

Come on vTiger, assign somebody to this list, somebody to refer to, which will pass all the serious communication to you, with a feet in your team and the other in the community, a person well known from us capable to represent us in your meetings.

It's time for a change..

With kind regards ;)
Clem



On 8/7/07, David V. <davidv.net at gmail.com> wrote:Joe,
 
Thanks for the good work you have done for vtiger.
Please don't stop.
 
David V.

_______________________________________________
Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 


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From libregeek at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 04:15:31 2007
From: libregeek at gmail.com (Manilal K M)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:45:31 +0530
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <1144476feb7.4737492490937604112.-5997078566770440665@vtiger.com>
References: <1144476feb7.4737492490937604112.-5997078566770440665@vtiger.com>
Message-ID: <2315046d0708080415u1b252ae2tc80acf59fc2c0b9a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
  I am glad that the vtiger community  has started seriously to look
into the issues of contributors. Before adding anymore features to the
current code base, I would prefer fixing the security issues and
cleaning up code in the current code base.

Eg. The application uses PEAR and ADOdb in the source code. I don't
know why we require two database abstraction layers. This makes the
code unmaintanable and cumbersome. The current module management is
really a mess.

There is also the whole issue of application structure and strategy.
Please refer the bug:
http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/4102
These kind of bugs prove that the application cannot be deployed in a
production environment. I have raised this issue in the bug tracker
and in the mailing list, but didn't got any reply. IMO, an enterprise
application should have maximum security, but in this case a simple
SQL query can withdraw all the passwords in plain text format.

-- 
Manilal K M.
http://gnubreeze.blogspot.com
http://flossvalley.blogspot.com
Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

From chazarra.clement at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 08:15:47 2007
From: chazarra.clement at gmail.com (clement chazarra)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:15:47 +0100
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <2315046d0708080415u1b252ae2tc80acf59fc2c0b9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1144476feb7.4737492490937604112.-5997078566770440665@vtiger.com>
	<2315046d0708080415u1b252ae2tc80acf59fc2c0b9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d09d4a7b0708080815m452208cct2dd77a1c40c7361f@mail.gmail.com>

I totally agree with that, we need a more robust base and it must begin by
cleaning up the code base and enhance the security.

What do you think Sreenivas? What do think the other members of the dev
list? What should be the first step forward? May be produce a wiki page with
a list of the work to be made ordered by importance. After that, we could
define weekly goals following the tasks list  and produce reports to see the
progression.

I am not a great technician, but I am willing to help. If some tasks are
well defined, like finding queries and modify them in a certain way, I will
be happy to give a hand.

Regards,
Clem

On 8/8/07, Manilal K M <libregeek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>   I am glad that the vtiger community  has started seriously to look
> into the issues of contributors. Before adding anymore features to the
> current code base, I would prefer fixing the security issues and
> cleaning up code in the current code base.
>
> Eg. The application uses PEAR and ADOdb in the source code. I don't
> know why we require two database abstraction layers. This makes the
> code unmaintanable and cumbersome. The current module management is
> really a mess.
>
> There is also the whole issue of application structure and strategy.
> Please refer the bug:
> http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/4102
> These kind of bugs prove that the application cannot be deployed in a
> production environment. I have raised this issue in the bug tracker
> and in the mailing list, but didn't got any reply. IMO, an enterprise
> application should have maximum security, but in this case a simple
> SQL query can withdraw all the passwords in plain text format.
>
> --
> Manilal K M.
> http://gnubreeze.blogspot.com
> http://flossvalley.blogspot.com
> Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.
> _______________________________________________
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From graham901 at webenhanced.com.au  Wed Aug  8 19:37:24 2007
From: graham901 at webenhanced.com.au (Graham Miller)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:37:24 +1000
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <2315046d0708080415u1b252ae2tc80acf59fc2c0b9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7da2e$396a0a30$6401010a@gmn800c60gb>

Hi all, I am new to the community. We are considering joining a CRM project and want to actively
participate for the benefit of ourselves **and** the community.

More comments found below.

Manilal K M wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I am glad that the vtiger community  has started seriously to look
> into the issues of contributors. Before adding anymore features to the
> current code base, I would prefer fixing the security issues and
> cleaning up code in the current code base.

I agree.

> Eg. The application uses PEAR and ADOdb in the source code. I don't
> know why we require two database abstraction layers. This makes the
> code unmaintanable and cumbersome. The current module management is
> really a mess.

This does seem strange. And yes, there should only be one database abstraction layer.

> There is also the whole issue of application structure and strategy.

Has anyone documented the security flaws and what application structures need attention? It
would be good if this info was all in one place so the big picture could be considered.

> Please refer the bug:
> http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/4102 

The bug you mention does not indicate a dramatic flaw in security in my opinion. The passwords
for POP or IMAP are passed in clear text during the protocol transaction between any mail client
and the server anyway so I would not consider them to be that secure.

And further....
I had a look at the roadmap and found it hard to determine what the direction really is. All
those bug fixes and feature requests do not clearly communicate the basic direction or focus of
the project. I think the project needs a big picture description so potential contributors can
feel comfortable about their decisions to support this project.

We are considering investing a large amount of time and money to a CRM project that will end up
value adding our client's internal financial advice platform and would therefore want to be able
to see the direction the CRM software is taking and preferably to have a say in that direction.
That would be paramount if we are to consider returning the results of our programming and
design efforts to the CRM community. And we would certainly want to do that in return for using
a very good piece of software for our benefit.

The alternative for us is to use the current branch and go off on our own. Because we feel there
are some structural things we would want to change in vtiger, our efforts would probably not end
up compatible and therefore will not get returned to the community.

This is my 2 cents worth.

cheers
Graham Miller
Technical Director

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From brett.hooker at roarz.com  Wed Aug  8 20:10:27 2007
From: brett.hooker at roarz.com (Brett Hooker)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:10:27 +1000
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <002201c7da2e$396a0a30$6401010a@gmn800c60gb>
References: <002201c7da2e$396a0a30$6401010a@gmn800c60gb>
Message-ID: <46BA85A3.1000701@roarz.com>

Graham,

I would love to see Aussie vTiger partners form a cluster to aggregate 
local requirements and co-market vTiger here.  It is a given that we'd 
all be competitors too, but the market is big enough for us to overcome 
that. 

Great to see you online.  I'm just down the road in Redland "City".  ;-)

Thanks,
Brett


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with our rich web-based application suite this delivers customer 
convenience and staff efficiency outcomes.

Graham Miller wrote:
> Hi all, I am new to the community. We are considering joining a CRM project and want to actively
> participate for the benefit of ourselves **and** the community.
>
> More comments found below.
>
> Manilal K M wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>   I am glad that the vtiger community  has started seriously to look
>> into the issues of contributors. Before adding anymore features to the
>> current code base, I would prefer fixing the security issues and
>> cleaning up code in the current code base.
>>     
>
> I agree.
>
>   
>> Eg. The application uses PEAR and ADOdb in the source code. I don't
>> know why we require two database abstraction layers. This makes the
>> code unmaintanable and cumbersome. The current module management is
>> really a mess.
>>     
>
> This does seem strange. And yes, there should only be one database abstraction layer.
>
>   
>> There is also the whole issue of application structure and strategy.
>>     
>
> Has anyone documented the security flaws and what application structures need attention? It
> would be good if this info was all in one place so the big picture could be considered.
>
>   
>> Please refer the bug:
>> http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/4102 
>>     
>
> The bug you mention does not indicate a dramatic flaw in security in my opinion. The passwords
> for POP or IMAP are passed in clear text during the protocol transaction between any mail client
> and the server anyway so I would not consider them to be that secure.
>
> And further....
> I had a look at the roadmap and found it hard to determine what the direction really is. All
> those bug fixes and feature requests do not clearly communicate the basic direction or focus of
> the project. I think the project needs a big picture description so potential contributors can
> feel comfortable about their decisions to support this project.
>
> We are considering investing a large amount of time and money to a CRM project that will end up
> value adding our client's internal financial advice platform and would therefore want to be able
> to see the direction the CRM software is taking and preferably to have a say in that direction.
> That would be paramount if we are to consider returning the results of our programming and
> design efforts to the CRM community. And we would certainly want to do that in return for using
> a very good piece of software for our benefit.
>
> The alternative for us is to use the current branch and go off on our own. Because we feel there
> are some structural things we would want to change in vtiger, our efforts would probably not end
> up compatible and therefore will not get returned to the community.
>
> This is my 2 cents worth.
>
> cheers
> Graham Miller
> Technical Director
>
> For great web site hosting, back end web server programming (Perl, PHP and C), and open source
> software installation and consulting. Choose WES.
>
> Web Enhanced Solutions Pty Ltd
> http://www.webenhanced.com.au
>
> "Spam emails are the mosquitoes of the Internet -- numerous, annoying and often carrying nasty
> viruses." - Senator Richard Alston.
>
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From svk at vtiger.com  Thu Aug  9 01:42:10 2007
From: svk at vtiger.com (Sreenivas Kanumuru)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:42:10 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger munchNmeet in Munich & Paris
Message-ID: <11449c9b946.-4671927130999427520.-3372090174465921945@vtiger.com>


Hi!
Richie and I will be in Europe later this month to meet customers and partners. We would like to make use of this opportunity to host a get-together  in Paris & Munich where we could  share some roadmap items and get input from the community. Refreshments will be served.
If you are vtiger user, developer, SI or reseller and from the area we would love to meet and hear from you. Please send us an email to ?richie at vtiger. com? if you would be interested in attending the get-together (use ?Europe Trip? for subject). Please do so by Monday (August 13th).
The actual place, time and date (will be between August 15-27th)  are yet to be finalized. We?ll post the details by August 14th.
If you are interested, but not able to make it to either location, then please do let us know. If there are sufficient people, we might be able to add another destination to this trip, or we will add it to our next visit to Europe.
Look forward to seeing you all!
Regards,
Sreenivas
---
Sreenivas Kanumuru
Vice President,  Business Development and Solutions
vtiger

Office: 1 (408) 716-8592
Cell: 1 (408) 836-5810
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From libregeek at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 04:10:59 2007
From: libregeek at gmail.com (Manilal K M)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:40:59 +0530
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Richie, Gopal or vtiger representation
In-Reply-To: <002201c7da2e$396a0a30$6401010a@gmn800c60gb>
References: <2315046d0708080415u1b252ae2tc80acf59fc2c0b9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<002201c7da2e$396a0a30$6401010a@gmn800c60gb>
Message-ID: <2315046d0708090410s71571747nf816f41f3cc0910c@mail.gmail.com>

>
> The bug you mention does not indicate a dramatic flaw in security in my opinion. The passwords
> for POP or IMAP are passed in clear text during the protocol transaction between any mail client
> and the server anyway so I would not consider them to be that secure.
>
In our organization we use SSL for communication between the server
and clients. Moreover we have options to encrypt passwords using PHP.
There are a pool of system administrators in our organization and I
won't like to let them see other's password. Thats why I am bothered
about this issue

regards
-- 
Manilal K M.
http://gnubreeze.blogspot.com
http://flossvalley.blogspot.com
Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

From joe at tsolucio.com  Sat Aug 11 14:43:43 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:43:43 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger munchNmeet in Munich & Paris
In-Reply-To: <11449c9b946.-4671927130999427520.-3372090174465921945@vtiger.com>
References: <11449c9b946.-4671927130999427520.-3372090174465921945@vtiger.com>
Message-ID: <46BE2D8F.1030701@tsolucio.com>

Hello all,

TSolucio will be attending the get-together. We look forward to
converting a lot of nicknames into faces and making contacts.

I would like to propose that the dates be over the 20th as next week we
have a couple of days holiday and it will be difficult to organize the
trip on such short notice.

I would also like to give the idea of changing the destinations. vtiger
has recently been in germany and france. How about giving the spanish
and italian vtiger community a push? Both are active communities that
would benefit from an event like this.

Milan is close enough from Munich to avoid those who want to go to be
there and Barcelona is a very strategic city.

Let me hear the spanish and italian community :-)

See you all soon.

Joe
TSolucio

Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
>
> Hi!
>
> Richie and I will be in Europe later this month to meet customers and
> partners. We would like to make use of this opportunity to host a
> get-together  in Paris & Munich where we could  share some roadmap
> items and get input from the community. Refreshments will be served.
>
> If you are vtiger user, developer, SI or reseller and from the area we
> would love to meet and hear from you. Please send us an email to
> ?richie at vtiger. com? if you would be interested in attending the
> get-together (use ?Europe Trip? for subject). Please do so by Monday
> (August 13th).
>
> The actual place, time and date (will be between August 15-27th)  are
> yet to be finalized. We?ll post the details by August 14th.
>
> If you are interested, but not able to make it to either location,
> then please do let us know. If there are sufficient people, we might
> be able to add another destination to this trip, or we will add it to
> our next visit to Europe.
>
> Look forward to seeing you all!
>
> Regards,
>
> Sreenivas
>
> ---
>
> Sreenivas Kanumuru
> Vice President,  Business Development and Solutions
> vtiger
>
> Office: 1 (408) 716-8592
> Cell: 1 (408) 836-5810
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 


From svk at vtiger.com  Tue Aug 14 17:13:34 2007
From: svk at vtiger.com (Sreenivas Kanumuru)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger munchNmeet in Munich & Paris
In-Reply-To: <46BE2D8F.1030701@tsolucio.com>
References: <11449c9b946.-4671927130999427520.-3372090174465921945@vtiger.com>
	<46BE2D8F.1030701@tsolucio.com>
Message-ID: <11466de3f77.-3132370090185506444.-5638833183350945718@vtiger.com>


Hi Joe,

Because of prior commitments, we need to be in Paris and Munich on this trip. We plan to make another Europe trip in a few months time, duringwhen we would like to visit Spain and Italy and meet the local vtigercommunity. This time, we'll give advance notice!.   

I am glad to see that you can make it to Paris/Munich. Next week (ie., week of 20th) works well for us also. We'll post the details shortly about the specific dates (currently, we plan to have the  get together in Paris on 21st, and in Munich on 23rd)


Regards,
Sreenivas




---- On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com> wrote ---- 

Hello all,

TSolucio will be attending the get-together. We look forward to
converting a lot of nicknames into faces and making contacts.

I would like to propose that the dates be over the 20th as next week we
have a couple of days holiday and it will be difficult to organize the
trip on such short notice.

I would also like to give the idea of changing the destinations. vtiger
has recently been in germany and france. How about giving the spanish
and italian vtiger community a push? Both are active communities that
would benefit from an event like this.

Milan is close enough from Munich to avoid those who want to go to be
there and Barcelona is a very strategic city.

Let me hear the spanish and italian community :-)

See you all soon.

Joe
TSolucio

Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
>
> Hi!
>
> Richie and I will be in Europe later this month to meet customers and
> partners. We would like to make use of this opportunity to host a
> get-together  in Paris & Munich where we could  share some roadmap
> items and get input from the community. Refreshments will be served.
>
> If you are vtiger user, developer, SI or reseller and from the area we
> would love to meet and hear from you. Please send us an email to
> ?richie at vtiger. com? if you would be interested in attending the
> get-together (use ?Europe Trip? for subject). Please do so by Monday
> (August 13th).
>
> The actual place, time and date (will be between August 15-27th)  are
> yet to be finalized. We?ll post the details by August 14th.
>
> If you are interested, but not able to make it to either location,
> then please do let us know. If there are sufficient people, we might
> be able to add another destination to this trip, or we will add it to
> our next visit to Europe.
>
> Look forward to seeing you all!
>
> Regards,
>
> Sreenivas
>
> ---
>
> Sreenivas Kanumuru
> Vice President,  Business Development and Solutions
> vtiger
>
> Office: 1 (408) 716-8592
> Cell: 1 (408) 836-5810
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 

_______________________________________________
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From joe at tsolucio.com  Wed Aug 15 03:32:43 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:32:43 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger munchNmeet in Munich & Paris
In-Reply-To: <11466de3f77.-3132370090185506444.-5638833183350945718@vtiger.com>
References: <11449c9b946.-4671927130999427520.-3372090174465921945@vtiger.com>	<46BE2D8F.1030701@tsolucio.com>
	<11466de3f77.-3132370090185506444.-5638833183350945718@vtiger.com>
Message-ID: <46C2D64B.4010108@tsolucio.com>

Hi,

Sad to hear that. This is really short notice
As I said it is holidays over here and we land back in on monday. You
don't even make it sure with less than a week distance. You are still
planning?!?

Let me put what I am going to say next into context:

When we talked I told you about the emotional bank accounts, where every
person opens a bank account with every other person he meets and the
relation is defined by the balance of the account at any given moment.
Every person makes deposits and withdrawals with their acts, the good
part of this analogy is that while what may be for you a deposit can be
converted into a withdrawal by the receiving part, that is where
misunderstanding and "real" life relations fit in.
I told you this because vtiger now has a negative balance in my personal
account so you need to make many deposits to reestablish the relation.

This negative balance makes me understand this emails and situation as:

"Sreenivas just got here, so lets take him to see our friends in germany
and we can make it a political event and tell the world that we are
going to germany to have a get-together".
"Good idea, but we will have to invite the community"
"Thats OK, nobody will probably come and we'll cut the details real
short so anybody who thought of comming can't get it organized on time."

Truth is that I may just wait for that "next" europe trip. That way I'll
have time to see if you fix this negative balance a little.

In any case I would like to know how many people are going, who will be
there and all the details of the get-together to evaluate if I keep on
"investing" my vacations on this. Please ASAP.

Sorry to be so harsh, and please correct me if I am wrong.

Joe
TSolucio


Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Because of prior commitments, we need to be in Paris and Munich on
> this trip. We plan to make another Europe trip in a few months time,
> during when we would like to visit Spain and Italy and meet the local
> vtiger community. This time, we'll give advance notice!.  
>
> I am glad to see that you can make it to Paris/Munich. Next week (ie.,
> week of 20th) works well for us also. We'll post the details shortly
> about the specific dates (currently, we plan to have the  get together
> in Paris on 21st, and in Munich on 23rd)
>
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas
>
>
>
>
> ---- On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 *Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>* wrote ----
>
>     Hello all,
>
>     TSolucio will be attending the get-together. We look forward to
>     converting a lot of nicknames into faces and making contacts.
>
>     I would like to propose that the dates be over the 20th as next
>     week we
>     have a couple of days holiday and it will be difficult to organize the
>     trip on such short notice.
>
>     I would also like to give the idea of changing the destinations.
>     vtiger
>     has recently been in germany and france. How about giving the spanish
>     and italian vtiger community a push? Both are active communities that
>     would benefit from an event like this.
>
>     Milan is close enough from Munich to avoid those who want to go to be
>     there and Barcelona is a very strategic city.
>
>     Let me hear the spanish and italian community :-)
>
>     See you all soon.
>
>     Joe
>     TSolucio
>
>     Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
>     >
>     > Hi!
>     >
>     > Richie and I will be in Europe later this month to meet
>     customers and
>     > partners. We would like to make use of this opportunity to host a
>     > get-together in Paris & Munich where we could share some roadmap
>     > items and get input from the community. Refreshments will be served.
>     >
>     > If you are vtiger user, developer, SI or reseller and from the
>     area we
>     > would love to meet and hear from you. Please send us an email to
>     > ?richie at vtiger. com? if you would be interested in attending the
>     > get-together (use ?Europe Trip? for subject). Please do so by Monday
>     > (August 13th).
>     >
>     > The actual place, time and date (will be between August 15-27th) are
>     > yet to be finalized. We?ll post the details by August 14th.
>     >
>     > If you are interested, but not able to make it to either location,
>     > then please do let us know. If there are sufficient people, we might
>     > be able to add another destination to this trip, or we will add
>     it to
>     > our next visit to Europe.
>     >
>     > Look forward to seeing you all!
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Sreenivas
>     >
>     > ---
>     >
>     > Sreenivas Kanumuru
>     > Vice President, Business Development and Solutions
>     > vtiger
>     >
>     > Office: 1 (408) 716-8592
>     > Cell: 1 (408) 836-5810
>     >
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 


From svk at vtiger.com  Wed Aug 15 13:05:22 2007
From: svk at vtiger.com (Sreenivas Kanumuru)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:22 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger munchNmeet in Munich & Paris
Message-ID: <1146b215e2f.6713503587679188171.-6924823521997219158@vtiger.com>

Hi Joe,


I apologize for the short notice. We had some schedule constraints that would have pushed the trip into October if we couldn't do it next week. Since we'll be in the area to meet a client, i wanted to use the opportunity to meet local partners/users who can fit it into their schedule. I felt the best setting to do it is to reserve a conference room and invite people. Because of the short notice and the holidays, i was only expecting a limited response. The Paris get together will be more of a one-on-one meetings as so far only a couple of members have expressed availability.  In Munich, we have a few more members so we will have a group session along with some one-on-one meetings.

I guess this is our first attempt at organizing a community event, if we can call it that. I am certainly looking forward to see how it turns out and learn from it.

We'll be in Paris on 20th and 21st, and in Munich in 22nd and 23rd. The gettogether will be on 21st in Paris and 23rd in Munich. Time and Location details will be posted shortly. If you are able to make it to either one of these, we would like to spend some time one-on-one with you and get additional input on a some of the issues you raised. 


Regards,
Sreenvias





----On Wed, 15 Aug 2007  Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com> wrote ---- 

                                                                                    Hi,

Sad to hear that. This is really short notice
As I said it is holidays over here and we land back in on monday. You
don't even make it sure with less than a week distance. You are still
planning?!?

Let me put what I am going to say next into context:

When we talked I told you about the emotional bank accounts, where every
person opens a bank account with every other person he meets and the
relation is defined by the balance of the account at any given moment.
Every person makes deposits and withdrawals with their acts, the good
part of this analogy is that while what may be for you a deposit can be
converted into a withdrawal by the receiving part, that is where
misunderstanding and "real" life relations fit in.
I told you this because vtiger now has a negative balance in my personal
account so you need to make many deposits to reestablish the relation.

This negative balance makes me understand this emails and situation as:

"Sreenivas just got here, so lets take him to see our friends in germany
and we can make it a political event and tell the world that we are
going to germany to have a get-together".
"Good idea, but we will have to invite the community"
"Thats OK, nobody will probably come and we'll cut the details real
short so anybody who thought of comming can't get it organized on time."

Truth is that I may just wait for that "next" europe trip. That way I'll
have time to see if you fix this negative balance a little.

In any case I would like to know how many people are going, who will be
there and all the details of the get-together to evaluate if I keep on
"investing" my vacations on this. Please ASAP.

Sorry to be so harsh, and please correct me if I am wrong.

Joe
TSolucio


Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Because of prior commitments, we need to be in Paris and Munich on
> this trip. We plan to make another Europe trip in a few months time,
> during when we would like to visit Spain and Italy and meet the local
> vtiger community. This time, we'll give advance notice!.  
>
> I am glad to see that you can make it to Paris/Munich. Next week (ie.,
> week of 20th) works well for us also. We'll post the details shortly
> about the specific dates (currently, we plan to have the  get together
> in Paris on 21st, and in Munich on 23rd)
>
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas
>
>
>
>
> ---- On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 *Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com>* wrote ----
>
>     Hello all,
>
>     TSolucio will be attending the get-together. We look forward to
>     converting a lot of nicknames into faces and making contacts.
>
>     I would like to propose that the dates be over the 20th as next
>     week we
>     have a couple of days holiday and it will be difficult to organize the
>     trip on such short notice.
>
>     I would also like to give the idea of changing the destinations.
>     vtiger
>     has recently been in germany and france. How about giving the spanish
>     and italian vtiger community a push? Both are active communities that
>     would benefit from an event like this.
>
>     Milan is close enough from Munich to avoid those who want to go to be
>     there and Barcelona is a very strategic city.
>
>     Let me hear the spanish and italian community :-)
>
>     See you all soon.
>
>     Joe
>     TSolucio
>
>     Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
>     >
>     > Hi!
>     >
>     > Richie and I will be in Europe later this month to meet
>     customers and
>     > partners. We would like to make use of this opportunity to host a
>     > get-together in Paris & Munich where we could share some roadmap
>     > items and get input from the community. Refreshments will be served.
>     >
>     > If you are vtiger user, developer, SI or reseller and from the
>     area we
>     > would love to meet and hear from you. Please send us an email to
>     > ?richie at vtiger. com? if you would be interested in attending the
>     > get-together (use ?Europe Trip? for subject). Please do so by Monday
>     > (August 13th).
>     >
>     > The actual place, time and date (will be between August 15-27th) are
>     > yet to be finalized. We?ll post the details by August 14th.
>     >
>     > If you are interested, but not able to make it to either location,
>     > then please do let us know. If there are sufficient people, we might
>     > be able to add another destination to this trip, or we will add
>     it to
>     > our next visit to Europe.
>     >
>     > Look forward to seeing you all!
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Sreenivas
>     >
>     > ---
>     >
>     > Sreenivas Kanumuru
>     > Vice President, Business Development and Solutions
>     > vtiger
>     >
>     > Office: 1 (408) 716-8592
>     > Cell: 1 (408) 836-5810
>     >
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From joe at tsolucio.com  Wed Aug 15 14:23:16 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:23:16 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger munchNmeet in Munich & Paris
In-Reply-To: <1146b215e2f.6713503587679188171.-6924823521997219158@vtiger.com>
References: <1146b215e2f.6713503587679188171.-6924823521997219158@vtiger.com>
Message-ID: <46C36EC4.8020307@tsolucio.com>

Hello,

I would like to know if any other community members will assist.
Although meeting vtiger will surely be enlighting I would like to speak
personally with other members. Who else will be attending?

Joe
TSolucio

Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
> Hi Joe,
>
>
> I apologize for the short notice. We had some schedule constraints
> that would have pushed the trip into October if we couldn't do it next
> week. Since we'll be in the area to meet a client, i wanted to use the
> opportunity to meet local partners/users who can fit it into their
> schedule. I felt the best setting to do it is to reserve a conference
> room and invite people. Because of the short notice and the holidays,
> i was only expecting a limited response. The Paris get together will
> be more of a one-on-one meetings as so far only a couple of members
> have expressed availability.  In Munich, we have a few more members so
> we will have a group session along with some one-on-one meetings.
>
> I guess this is our first attempt at organizing a community event, if
> we can call it that. I am certainly looking forward to see how it
> turns out and learn from it.
>
> We'll be in Paris on 20th and 21st, and in Munich in 22nd and 23rd.
> The gettogether will be on 21st in Paris and 23rd in Munich. Time and
> Location details will be posted shortly. If you are able to make it to
> either one of these, we would like to spend some time one-on-one with
> you and get additional input on a some of the issues you raised.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sreenvias

From chazarra.clement at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 04:35:11 2007
From: chazarra.clement at gmail.com (clement chazarra)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:35:11 +0100
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger munchNmeet in Munich & Paris
In-Reply-To: <46C36EC4.8020307@tsolucio.com>
References: <1146b215e2f.6713503587679188171.-6924823521997219158@vtiger.com>
	<46C36EC4.8020307@tsolucio.com>
Message-ID: <d09d4a7b0708160435u3dccf8ddt19043fdaf99a7731@mail.gmail.com>

I wont be able to attend this meeting, too short notice for me!

But it would be great if a podcast of this meeting is created, I am very
interested on the discussion between vTiger team and Joe (about the
community).

I hope other people will be able to go.

Regards,
Clem

On 8/15/07, Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if any other community members will assist.
> Although meeting vtiger will surely be enlighting I would like to speak
> personally with other members. Who else will be attending?
>
> Joe
> TSolucio
>
> Sreenivas Kanumuru escribi?:
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> >
> > I apologize for the short notice. We had some schedule constraints
> > that would have pushed the trip into October if we couldn't do it next
> > week. Since we'll be in the area to meet a client, i wanted to use the
> > opportunity to meet local partners/users who can fit it into their
> > schedule. I felt the best setting to do it is to reserve a conference
> > room and invite people. Because of the short notice and the holidays,
> > i was only expecting a limited response. The Paris get together will
> > be more of a one-on-one meetings as so far only a couple of members
> > have expressed availability.  In Munich, we have a few more members so
> > we will have a group session along with some one-on-one meetings.
> >
> > I guess this is our first attempt at organizing a community event, if
> > we can call it that. I am certainly looking forward to see how it
> > turns out and learn from it.
> >
> > We'll be in Paris on 20th and 21st, and in Munich in 22nd and 23rd.
> > The gettogether will be on 21st in Paris and 23rd in Munich. Time and
> > Location details will be posted shortly. If you are able to make it to
> > either one of these, we would like to spend some time one-on-one with
> > you and get additional input on a some of the issues you raised.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sreenvias
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com
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From chazarra.clement at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 05:14:22 2007
From: chazarra.clement at gmail.com (clement chazarra)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:14:22 +0100
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Assign contact address to sale order
Message-ID: <d09d4a7b0708170514i54e890bcvf5be6d0a4ce30d3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I am trying to change the sale order address with the contact address and
not the account one. Basically, when I pick a name on the contact popup, I
want to retrieve the corresponding address at the same time.

I could get to the point where I added my own functions for this purpose,
but now when I try it doesn't work, so I made some test with the existing
and working function in account to pull account address to sale order
address...
Basically I thought it worked with "function set_return_address" in
Accounts.js, but even if I rename the function or accounts.js itself to see
an error, nothing happen, everything works fine. So I tried to comment all
the functions "set_return_address" in vTiger, to see when the expected error
occurs and locate the function called.

Nothing so far, so my question is, how can I retrieve the account address to
the sale order address with the function set_return_address when it is
commented? What am I missing?
The call of the function is done in ListViewUtils line 1638.

Thanks for any clue,
Byebye
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From joe at tsolucio.com  Fri Aug 17 10:15:04 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:15:04 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] meeting in Brescia
Message-ID: <46C5D798.8040401@tsolucio.com>

Hello all,

Part of the vtiger italian and spanish community will be holding a
vtigerCRM event in Brescia (Italy) on Saturday 25th of Agost.
vtiger representation will also be there as a scale in their Europe trip
(thank you Sreenivas)
Alberici and I will hold a small speach about our vision of vtigerCRM
I will give more details of the event shortly, this note is just to let
everybody know what we are planning so you can organize a visit to us if
possible. We are very interested in meeting as many community members as
possible.

Any questions or suggestions about things you would like us to talk
about in the speaches is welcome. Obviously we will make information public.

I'll keep informed.

Joe
TSolucio


From brett.hooker at roarz.com  Fri Aug 17 15:54:50 2007
From: brett.hooker at roarz.com (Brett Hooker)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:54:50 +1000
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] meeting in Brescia
In-Reply-To: <46C5D798.8040401@tsolucio.com>
References: <46C5D798.8040401@tsolucio.com>
Message-ID: <46C6273A.9060300@roarz.com>

Fantastic!  If anyone can takes notes or grab a youtube for us - that'd 
be AWESME!!!

Thanks,
Brett

Joe Bordes wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Part of the vtiger italian and spanish community will be holding a
> vtigerCRM event in Brescia (Italy) on Saturday 25th of Agost.
> vtiger representation will also be there as a scale in their Europe trip
> (thank you Sreenivas)
> Alberici and I will hold a small speach about our vision of vtigerCRM
> I will give more details of the event shortly, this note is just to let
> everybody know what we are planning so you can organize a visit to us if
> possible. We are very interested in meeting as many community members as
> possible.
>
> Any questions or suggestions about things you would like us to talk
> about in the speaches is welcome. Obviously we will make information public.
>
> I'll keep informed.
>
> Joe
> TSolucio
>
> _______________________________________________
> Reach hundreds of potential candidates - http://jobs.vtiger.com 
>   


From svk at vtiger.com  Fri Aug 17 17:49:20 2007
From: svk at vtiger.com (Sreenivas Kanumuru)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:49:20 -0700
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] meeting in Brescia
In-Reply-To: <46C5D798.8040401@tsolucio.com>
References: <46C5D798.8040401@tsolucio.com>
Message-ID: <11476720f46.2689661488750305571.-1594143443431428226@vtiger.com>

Hi,

Thanks to Joe and Alberici for organizing this.   We are glad to have the opportunity to meet them and other community members around Milano and Brescia. 

It will be good to hear from the community what you would like to see in vtiger CRM, and other concerns. Our next major release design goal is to encourage a more collaborative development, and enable plugNplay model to add/remove modules. I'll be presenting our plans on this and look forward to getting your feedback.

Regards,

Sreenivas
vtiger

	





---- On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 Joe Bordes <joe at tsolucio.com> wrote ---- 

Hello all,

Part of the vtiger italian and spanish community will be holding a
vtigerCRM event in Brescia (Italy) on Saturday 25th of Agost.
vtiger representation will also be there as a scale in their Europe trip
(thank you Sreenivas)
Alberici and I will hold a small speach about our vision of vtigerCRM
I will give more details of the event shortly, this note is just to let
everybody know what we are planning so you can organize a visit to us if
possible. We are very interested in meeting as many community members as
possible.

Any questions or suggestions about things you would like us to talk
about in the speaches is welcome. Obviously we will make information public.

I'll keep informed.

Joe
TSolucio

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From joe at tsolucio.com  Mon Aug 20 09:51:49 2007
From: joe at tsolucio.com (Joe Bordes)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:51:49 +0200
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] meeting in Brescia
Message-ID: <46C9C6A5.1080103@tsolucio.com>

Hello all,

vtiger has cancelled the Paris meeting in favor of the Brescia get-together.
Andrea has booked a local Winery as a location for the meeting.
It is Cantina Barone Pizzini - Borgo Santa Giulia in Timoline di Corte Franca (Brescia)
Visit http://www.baronepizzini.it/fr_cant.htm for details on location and how to arrive.

You can book night at the location or near by.

We have all day long to use this location, but still haven't defined the event so we don't have schedule.
Count on 10h to 17h, or something like that of saturday 25th August. I will probably be there all day.

vtiger has confirmed their assistance and I hope that they will be able to give their speech on vtigerCRM roadmap. I really look forward to seeing anybody how can make it, specially the vtiger team representation.
I have a very positive feeling and attitude towards this meeting and I hope we can make a change in the current community state which will benefit the vtigerCRM product in the end.


If you need any details or have any questions, let us know.

Regards, Joe
TSolucio

PD: I know I am not part of the vtiger team and I may be exceeding myself speaking as if I was but I really look forward to meeting as many community members as I can.



From aresolimpico at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 20:16:35 2007
From: aresolimpico at gmail.com (David fire)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:16:35 -0300
Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] want to upgrade code of Price Book and
	give it free
In-Reply-To: <46A7B88F.5080004@giftopt.ru>
References: <46A7B88F.5080004@giftopt.ru>
Message-ID: <4c307cb60708212016t4e7a6b85rd6c38c9061adc3fe@mail.gmail.com>

hi
i developed a small "new field"  it work whit ajax when the seller type the
credit card number it check if the number is a valid one.
how can i add it to the vtiger code?
thanks
David

2007/7/25, admin <admin at giftopt.ru>:
>
> Dear Richie,
>
> I have own small business of products sales and service sales.
> Also my first job programmer and system administrator.
> I fixed some e-mail bugs for Russian language for 5.0.2 version.
>
> And now looking on Price Book.
> Hope we an help together. Because I have marketing grade and have some
> ideas.
> I want to extend table vtiger_pricebookproductrel but don't know how add
> fields into web form.
> And ask you for some support of my mind and time.
> So have now some ideas.
> 1. Add fields "Margin %" and "Margin Absolute" where Margin Absolute is
> major.
> 2. We will have final price from Cost in two ways.
>     a) As Cost + % of Cost
>     b) As Cost + Money (Margin Absoulute)
> 3. Import and Export features for e-shops. Its very important. CSV is ok.
>
> If you ready to support my efforts I wiil code it and sent you as GPL
> for sure.
> Thanks! Hope you will answer asap cause it very important for my e-shop
> and managers.
> Good luck!
>
> <
> http://pri.local/phpadm/tbl_properties_structure.php?lang=ru-utf-8&server=1&collation_connection=utf8_general_ci&db=vtigercrm502&table=vtiger_pricebookproductrel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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