[Vtigercrm-developers] [Re: vtigerforge]

[Mike Crowe]

Folks,

You're killing me!   Everybody's missing the point on this.  Gforge 
installed easily.   I thought I could emerge it and set it up quick.

Configuring for what we need was difficult for someone with no gforge 
experience.   I'm sure the debian package installs easily.  Gentoo 
installs gforge easy.  As I said before, I'm not a n00n at this.  Fathi 
says he will need 1-2 weeks to set gforge up.  That's how it always is.  
Matching themes, making the instruction pages reference the correct 
project pages, etc.  Nobody here is thinking about that last 5% which 
takes the most time.

I set up owl to try and get the community started.
I created VIP as a way we could distribute mods.

Fathi did the right thing.  He has offered his time to set up gforge.  I 
welcome it, despite my time invested in the current product.  Gforge is 
better. 

Please, help is make vtiger better.  Donate time.  Donate software. Open 
source will only survive is we all pitch in. 

I'm not upset with wanting a better forge.  But please, don't spent time 
like this wishing I'd given my 2-3 weeks of free evening time to 
something nobody else has stepped up to do.  My blogs are trying to 
teach things I have learned. Contribute!  Community!  That's who we need 
to be. 

Joe, just cause you were the straw, I'm not directing this at you.  I'm 
not mad.  I want more of these great ideas implemented.  I've learned 
that I had to step up for results here.  Let's all do that.  :D

Flame on!   :)

Mike ( boy have I had a pissy day ) Crowe


------Original Message------
From: Joe Stewart
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To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
ReplyTo: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com
Sent: Jan 26, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge

Fathi Boudra wrote:
 > hi all,
 >
 > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread :
 >
 >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell
 >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question.
 >>
 >>a bit history (feel free to correct me)
 >>
 >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS.
 >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project 
that his
 >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment.
 >>
 >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops).
 >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by 
novell to
 >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory.
 >>
 >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project 
collaborative
 >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna.
 >>
 >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer 
to this
 >>question.
 >>
 >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge.
 >>
 >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this,
 >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was
 >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn.
 >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to
 >>switch to svn.
 >>
 >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team,
 >>and probably some guidelines.
 >
 >
 > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge 
(for the
 > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me.
 >
 > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup.
 >

Only to chime in on this point.  The debian gforge packages are not hard
to install.  The hardest part is answering the ldap questions.  The
maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows.

But it does take more support than a more simple solution.  And it
scales for future needs.  I have installed and maintained gforge in the
past.

I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point.


Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project?  Or shell access?  This
may be something to consider.  I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the
same.


later,

Joe

 > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we 
can't go
 > back definitively from novell forge choice ?
 >
 > cheers,
 >
 > Fathi


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