From richie at vtiger.com Sun Jan 8 21:28:29 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] upgrade to latest mysql Message-ID: <108ada30884.3782719508554343347.-7731005037422626773@@vtiger.com> During security implementation, we realised that with the current mysql version, we will be taking a sizeable performance hit. We do not have any numbers as such but we think it will be better to move to the latest version of mysql say we support mysql 4.1.x to the latest version. This will involve quite some code changes so that the queries work with all the versions of mysql. I am looking for any easy upgrade path. Any suggestions on this are welcome. Richie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm Module: vtiger_crm tags found from at SourceForge: Branches VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH VTIGER MAIN Non-branch tags VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD ...lots of tags with date string And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could found the daily build packages?? -- Finjon Kiang From richie at vtiger.com Sun Jan 8 23:16:28 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:16:28 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support Message-ID: <108ae05e4f9.2156783245219552580.-3325471538301114646@@vtiger.com> Hello! Came across this article on PostGres movement. Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060108/097bb7fd/attachment.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 00:43:34 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:43:34 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 02:20:11 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: <108aeae1824.957038252233567205.1145381114453612729@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for updating the Traditional Chinese language pack. Could you please post the updated version in Language Packs forum in vtiger Discussions? http://forums.vtiger.com/viewforum.php?f=16 Regards, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:18:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> References: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 04:20:32 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:20:32 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] reply-to Message-ID: <49216030601090420x459630c8l1b397cfb46e45769@mail.gmail.com> richie, can you setup the reply-to of the mailing list to vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ?? so, automatically when someone hit reply, the reply go to the mailing list instead on the individual poster... /sak From vtiger at timandjulie.com Mon Jan 9 08:10:25 2006 From: vtiger at timandjulie.com (Tim Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:10:25 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor specific issues. For example: Select a, b + c from tablex Would become: Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would determine the target database and replace macros before executing. Using these macros, we handled differences in: * String concatenation * Date comparison * Case sensitivity in queries * Joins In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros dealt with all differences. Regards, Tim Onweald, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM To: Richie Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Mon Jan 9 10:09:20 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PATCH: Fix hidden attachment size limit bug Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F4@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> 2 files need to be patched. 1) Patch index.php as follows; the file should end like this: ------------------------------------------- echo "
"; // Under the Sugar Public License referenced above, you are required to leave in all copyright statements in both // the code and end-user application. //echo("
© 2004 SugarCRM Inc. All Rights Reserved.
"); if($calculate_response_time) { $endTime = microtime(); $deltaTime = microtime_diff($startTime, $endTime); echo(' Server response time: '.$deltaTime.' seconds.'); } echo "
\n"; } echo "\n"; } ------------------------------------------- The change is in the last few lines; this puts the assignment of userDateFormat inside the check for viewing an attachment or not, and does so in (I think) a nicer format. 2) Change line 99 of startVtiger.sh to: ------------------ ./bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=$MYSQL_HOME --datadir=$MYSQL_HOME/data --socket=$mysql_socket --tmpdir=$MYSQL_HOME/tmp --user=root --port=$mysql_port --max_allowed_packet=16M --default-table-type=INNODB > /dev/null & ------------------ The change is the addition of -max_allowed_packet=16M Eventually, we're going to have to start distributing proper unix diff patches for this stuff; it makes life MUCH easier. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060109/2e9199e0/attachment.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 22:29:44 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:29:44 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> References: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> Message-ID: <3bec26390601092229m5c6b1e4fn4fac34ef9e380319@mail.gmail.com> I think most people have the right idea here, we don't want to support mysql 4.1 or 5.0 or postgres or any other database. Just like writing w3c complaint html we want to write SQL (probably 92) compliant statements and then add any vendor specific hacks as they are needed. As mentioned I don't think those libraries are what we want (that would just add one database to the list of supported dbs), using adodb is a good start, but if the SQL needs to be standard as well. What does that mean to mysql programs? Basically just don't do anything on this (http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html) list, and we are doing a lot of that right now. On 1/9/06, Tim Smith wrote: > In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL > across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor > specific issues. > > For example: > Select a, b + c from tablex > Would become: > Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex > > {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. > (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would > determine the target database and replace macros before executing. > > Using these macros, we handled differences in: > * String concatenation > * Date comparison > * Case sensitivity in queries > * Joins > > In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug > work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros > dealt with all differences. > > Regards, > Tim > > Onweald, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Sergio A. Kessler > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM > To: Richie > Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support > > yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, > it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... > > and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less > porting work is needed... > > /sak > > On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 14:43:01 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:43:01 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Sat Jan 14 10:25:48 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C9422C.6090508@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Sun Jan 15 18:29:00 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:29:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what the discussion boards used to be. Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? - Joel (aka jrydbeck) -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Mike Crowe Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From allan.bush at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 18:56:23 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:56:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601151856g75c221c8rd890ab4b83304af2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I'm here On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:45:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:45:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> almost nobody know there are mailing lists... AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... /sak On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 12:15:57 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:15:57 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 16 13:43:46 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:43:46 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Richie, I thought you guys were freezing the forum --which would force discussion to move here. Right now its even more work to monitor both. - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Finjon Kiang Sent: Mon 1/16/2006 2:45 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060116/55a31b56/attachment.htm From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 14:22:15 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:22:15 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601161422l6588eb49ib8f5a2c51d41d53d@mail.gmail.com> yes please, richie, can you set the reply-to of the mailing list to "vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com" ? /sak On 1/16/06, Finjon Kiang wrote: > Most people like using forum. :) > > Anyway, I'm here. > > * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? > > -- > Finjon Kiang > > On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > > > /sak > > > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > > Mike Crowe > > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > > > >/sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 12:55:46 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:46 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] getText implementation Message-ID: <49216030601171255jde5255chd0c42c04eb363745@mail.gmail.com> mike, sorry to bother, but richie is asking you (in the forums): "Mike, is your alternate getText solution stable for integration into the core please? Richie" I guess you can reply here... regards, /sak pd: richie, are you on this list ?? From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 13:29:00 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:29:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] CSS bar graph Message-ID: <49216030601171329q5a535d3ep54caebe82e53dac@mail.gmail.com> hey, maybe we can use CSS for the graphics... check the 'Vertical CSS Bar Graph' at http://apples-to-oranges.com/blog/article.aspx?id=55 /sak From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 07:24:54 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Urk, I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing a Quote. Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields - DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS - that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote is GET, not POST - meaning that all the data filled in in these two text fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) fails quietly - no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and everything works as normal. This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc as one giant tarball. Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the consequences of doing this? Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper for us. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060118/fc653e77/attachment.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 08:30:39 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180830v6efc2d4dh7221acbecacbb491@mail.gmail.com> You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them are, the quote's one must have been over looked). The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from "get" to "post" (~line 39). On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 09:14:56 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> > Allan Bush wrote: > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > "get" to "post" (~line 39). Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? While we're at it: [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * Calendar/calendar_month.php:
Calendar/calendar_week.php: Calendar/calendar_day.php: Home/index.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Orders/EditView.html: Should any of these get changed too? DG From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 09:57:40 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:57:40 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180957w354e675fn4a2ea9bbb9360bc@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > Allan Bush wrote: > > > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > > > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > > "get" to "post" (~line 39). > > Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. > > Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? > > While we're at it: > > [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * > Calendar/calendar_month.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_week.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_day.php: action="index.php"> > Home/index.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="export.php"> > Orders/EditView.html: action="index.php"> > > Should any of these get changed too? > > DG > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > The Orders one should probably be changed as well. The next release uses a very different approach for all these EditView.html files (they've been removed) which should help and reduce code repetition errors such as this. (sorry for sending this twice Dennis, they really need to fix the reply-to of this list) From sergiokessler at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 10:06:41 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:06:41 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <49216030601181006u4fbffc72k48c80400fc45195e@mail.gmail.com> according to the http standard: - all things that modify information (insert, update) should be made with POST, not with GET. - all things that do NOT modify information (select, view), should be made with GET. to solve the problem that some variables can be seen in the url bar (and you do not like that), I just simply encrypt and base64'd all the params... so you see a lot of garbage in the url /sak On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From allan.bush at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 09:50:07 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:50:07 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostgreSQL integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601180950o771c8aa4h5371ddcbd298dffd@mail.gmail.com> Joel, Hope you don't mind if I send this conversation through the mailing list, I think it helps to encourage more input. I sent richie the changes required to get the installation process working for postgres, however I haven't seen them integrated into the CVS HEAD yet, I'm not sure what the status is on this happening. The rest of the work required should be fairly simple, the code base has quited down some what but I think we should wait until a feature complete beta release at least until starting (especially if it's going to take this long for changes to be ported). If mysql 5.0 (in strict mode) is going to be supported then pretty much all the changes needed for postgres will be: adding "AS" to all aliases and using ilike for case-insensitive comparisons, both of which can be accomplished by a regular expression (hopefully). On 1/18/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Allan, > > I trust all is well with you. Any word yet from Richie on whether they > pulled your changes into 5.0? I've put my users on 4.2 and will likely stay > there until Postgres support is GA. > > - Joel From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 08:34:53 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:04:53 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI Message-ID: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the UI will evolve. thanks, Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vtCalendarAct2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73622 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/vtCalendarAct2-0001.jpg From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 12:44:33 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <994473020601191244i6fcd7016i6cf9cf0e94c703f6@mail.gmail.com> I think this is a nice look/layout. I also like the fact that you can chose to view ALL, or just Calls, or just Meetings, or just To Do's. This will help someone like myself that has a lot of To Do's and Calls, I will be able to sort through them without looking at meetings and such. Great Job! Jamie On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com < vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com> wrote: > > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/61e17d31/attachment.htm From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 12:46:34 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:46:34 +1000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <43CFFAAA.8060409@saucesoft.com> Who is the owner of the calendar features for V5? We've got WebCalendar and VTiger in our enviornment, and we're trying to answer the integrate vs interface question. Reason: shared calendar views, check availability, etc. vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the > UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and > also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The > Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and > Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, > where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger > language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to > add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 13:18:02 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:18:02 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191318l7c5d0a28jd4756db255e3afa4@mail.gmail.com> all I can say is "wow !" saint, you rock my world ! /sak On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 13:20:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:20:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup Message-ID: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 14:56:59 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 14:58:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191458m16a45bcev47c81c4b9de9adfb@mail.gmail.com> Shut up fag On 1/19/06, Allan Bush wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 14:59:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers@lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191459l5be9ab72t1443bc77f64f2830@mail.gmail.com> jeje, yeah ! On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Thu Jan 19 21:30:00 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:30:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] test mail ignore please Message-ID: <108e64a5cdd.-3250335098778029299.7469722359878652479@@vtiger.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richie ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/1367b5e9/attachment-0001.htm From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 03:51:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:51:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601200351m5ab12a4cg6c5af494d77905fc@mail.gmail.com> hi richie, yup, I think you got it right this time ! ;-) cheers, /sak On 1/20/06, Richie wrote: > Hi sak! > > I hope I got it right now! > Please confirm. > > Richie > > > > ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- > > > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From developer at infointegrated.com Fri Jan 20 05:51:16 2006 From: developer at infointegrated.com (Brian Devendorf) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:51:16 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <55DA45FC-9116-408C-BD6B-7B8E860D4DE5@infointegrated.com> Saint, The changes being done to the theme are amazing. Looking at the latest modifications, I understand the grouping of the Activities and Calendar, but was wondering what the added benefit was. It makes sense to group them together, but I don't see any other advantages. It looks like it would always require two clicks to get to the activities display. I love the new activities view, with this view, should it just replace the To Do sub-menu under My Home? Or, should there be a Calls, Meetings, and ToDo item? They would all go to the same display window with a different Showing: criteria selected. Your thoughts? Thanks, Brian On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:34 AM, vtigercrm- developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for > the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme > color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image > attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my > view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities > is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings > and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. > It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, > Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Matt From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Fri Jan 20 09:29:31 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:31 +0000 GMT Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Matthew, Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Brichacek Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 To:Vtiger Devel List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into this when I try to access the CVS area: Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 20 09:37:46 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1137778667.16376.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> No worries, I'll just keep working on the project admin stuff for now. New forge looks good BTW. Matt On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 17:29 +0000, Mike Crowe wrote: > Matthew, > Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. > Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Brichacek > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 > To:Vtiger Devel List > Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge > > I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into > this when I try to access the CVS area: > Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error > > Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From kiange at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 12:51:48 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:51:48 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems Message-ID: I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 20:06:49 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:06:49 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108eb249690.5336529970365320349.977843371556770271@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for notifying the error in latest download links. I have fixed the links. Our team will look into the other issue that you have mentioned. Thanks, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please reply to my address in addition to the list since I'm not subscribed to the list. Mike From rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com Sat Jan 21 05:48:06 2006 From: rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com (Rajesh Sundaram K) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:18:06 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D23B96.4000709@adventnet.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cardsorting.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/cardsorting-0001.jpg From jlee at zertis.net Sat Jan 21 07:51:54 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:51:54 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you > would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting > method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to > have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. > > *What you need to do? > *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a > coke and do this sorting method. > > > *What is this Card sorting method?* > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and > group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card > with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you > have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under > each group. > > *What will you get in return?* > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > *What will we do with this data? > *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > *vtiger Modules > * > > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > * > * > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From saint at vtiger.com Sun Jan 22 03:49:33 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:19:33 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Message-ID: <43D3714D.2050300@vtiger.com> Yes, you can put the same card in two groups ! Josh Lee wrote: >Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? > >saint wrote: > > > >>Team, >> >>We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you >>would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting >>method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to >>have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. >> >>*What you need to do? >>*Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a >>coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >>*What is this Card sorting method?* >>Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >>According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >>paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >>image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >>group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes >>and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be >>grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module >>needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card >>with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you >>have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under >>each group. >> >>*What will you get in return?* >>The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >>vtiger About page. :-) >> >>*What will we do with this data? >>*With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >>grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >>*vtiger Modules >>* >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >>If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >>Have a great Weekend! >> >>- Saint >> >> >> >> >>* >>* >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060122/f0b84d81/attachment.html From developer at infointegrated.com Sun Jan 22 13:23:47 2006 From: developer at infointegrated.com (Brian Devendorf) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:23:47 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: I took this concept and decided to design my ideal CRM application. A couple of ideas for existing modules first: Mail: Currently, Webmail is personal mail, and Mail is CRM mail. CRM mail should support two separate mail accounts: sales & support. These accounts would be setup separately and viewed separately. Email should be the current webmail with send functionality very similar to the current implementation. Contacts: There should be filtering support based on a few criteria. Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). Notes: Should support categories including personal notes for each individual on the system. Tabs: Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". Home: The items that appear on the default page should be configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, but should be a future feature. Overall GUI: The system already is designed with two levels of menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. Initial results from Card Sort: My initial results had many items under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area along the left column which is always visible with My Home items. As these are likely the most frequently used by users. The My Home area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, Inventory, and Settings (for admin). Sales: Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, Invoice Support: Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email Marketing: Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email Reports: Dashboard, Reports Inventory: Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the My Home items to make them more easily identifiable. ? On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that > you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card- > Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users > wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes > for this. > > What you need to do? > Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab > a coke and do this sorting method. > > > What is this Card sorting method? > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/ > sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new > card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure > that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and > modules under each group. > > What will you get in return? > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > What will we do with this data? > With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > vtiger Modules > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and > sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The easiest way to achieve this of course, is to add all modules to all tabs and have an admin console that allows for modules to be turned off within a specific tab.... but that's for further debate. One of the problems with any solution, is that different markets, different types of companies and (even) different countries, mean that our clients have a very mixed set of requirements and one of the benefits of having all of the modules as Tabs, gives a level of flexibility that can work for most people.... therefore any loss of this flexibility is going to be a backwards step. We have over 150 CRM installs of different systems, some of these vTiger specific, most of these our legacy CRM solutions, and one thing that stands out is that 80% of the solution is the same as the next guy, and 20% is 'configured/bespoke/customised'. The problem is the 20% can often be different. My example is simple : Some of our clients are not big enough to understand the difference between Marketing and Sales, particularly if there are only two sales people and they handle all of the lead generation themselves (therefore they are Marketing and Sales). In this scenario they would want to be able have a single tab - Sales - that has Leads, Opportunities and their sales orders (plus the obvious other modules).. rather than these modules appearing in different places..... What this means is that we need the ability to configure the tabs, to show whatever modules are required... but if I was pushed, I would want the option to be able to display (or NOT) any of the following, under their tabs... By the way ... The idea of making changes to the Activity screens, as Brian suggested is a great idea and probably should not be overlooked, as it will bring added functionality to the application. We feel that an add on module similar to My Home is a must have and have developed a desktop tool bar that offers this functionality which has been commercially available for a while, although on our legacy systems. It is called ViewPoint and we have been using this self authored .NET application on all of our systems, to help productivity... so we agree that something along the My Home idea may be very useful.. Anyway.. here goes... One fundamental difference in what we have seen and what we would like (utopia here we come) is the addition of a TAB for Admin or Tracking.... this is because we (and other clients) as a company, need an administrative function to track our sales orders, Purchase orders, quotes, Invoices, Global Activities, Vendor activity and others... so we feel there should be some suitable named TAB that allows for this sort of information to be tracked. This is quite important for us, as our clients will have a sales cycle that is inclusive of the sales personnel and then the tracking or processing will be handled by someone in ADMIN, especially if sales people are 'on the road' a lot. Just a thought. Sales : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Sales Orders, Price Books, Dashboard, Notes, Products. Support : Accounts, Contacts, Helpdesk, **contracts**, FAQ, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard (support focus) and Notes. Marketing : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard, Notes Tracking : Sales Orders, Purchase orders, Quotes, Opportunities, **documentation**, Activities, Vendors, Invoices. Other tabs... agree in principle as they stand. So in summary... what is different in this proposal.... 1. Allow all modules to be available from all tabs and give a console to turn on and off 2. Add new TAB that allows for the Non sales or Non Support personnel - tracking from an admin person, who is responsible for just doing this work. 3. Consider Contracts for support 4. Consider how we will handle documentation that may need tracking... terms and conditions (bespoke document) that has a deadline or dependency for other triggers and workflow in the system. 5. Agree with Brian's view that some form of Desktop menu/side bar/ toolbar is a good idea, especially if this is configurable.. Enough for now.. if you managed to digest and read this far.. I hope it makes some sense... because this is so important to us all, thank you for letting us comment. It probably goes without saying, that if any of these diatribes produce any work that we can assist with... please let me know... I am happy (as always) to dedicate whatever resources we can to our common goal. Regards Graham Graham Anderson Managing Director Software Add-ons t. +44 (0)8452 303083 e. grahama at add-ons.co.uk ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of saint Sent: 21 January 2006 12:56 To: Developers List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. What you need to do? Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. What is this Card sorting method? Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. What will you get in return? The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) What will we do with this data? With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. vtiger Modules Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5e98f0d/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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MikeF From saint at vtiger.com Mon Jan 23 01:22:48 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:48 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D4A068.1030607@vtiger.com> Brian, Thanks for your time and effort. That's an excellent observation. Great work! Team, The results of one card-sort test is available now. Let's see what others think of an ideal CRM application's tab structure and suggestions. Send in the results of your card-sort test. Your inputs will definitely make v5 a great product to use. :-) cheers, Saint Brian Devendorf wrote: > I took this concept and decided to design my ideal CRM application. A > couple of ideas for existing modules first: > *Mail: *Currently, Webmail is personal mail, and Mail is CRM mail. CRM > mail should support two separate mail accounts: sales & support. These > accounts would be setup separately and viewed separately. Email should > be the current webmail with send functionality very similar to the > current implementation. > *Contacts:* There should be filtering support based on a few criteria. > Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the > individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). > *Notes:* Should support categories including personal notes for each > individual on the system. > *Tabs: *Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under > which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". > *Home:* The items that appear on the default page should be > configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, > but should be a future feature. > *Overall GUI:* The system already is designed with two levels of > menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any > additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, > or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. > > *Initial results from Card Sort: *My initial results had many items > under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After > thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I > thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area > along the left column which is always visible with *My Home* items. As > these are likely the most frequently used by users. > > The *My Home* area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, > Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. > The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, > Inventory, and Settings (for admin). > *Sales: *Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, > Invoice > *Support:* Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email > *Marketing:* Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email > *Reports: *Dashboard, Reports > *Inventory: *Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order > > In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could > easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, > it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to > associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under > Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the *My > Home* items to make them more easily identifiable. > > > > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > >> Team, >> >> We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that >> you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the >> Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most >> users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few >> minutes for this. >> >> *What you need to do? >> *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab >> a coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >> *What is this Card sorting method?* >> Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >> >> According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >> paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >> image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >> group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, >> Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ >> can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular >> module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a >> new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure >> that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and >> modules under each group. >> >> *What will you get in return?* >> The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >> vtiger About page. :-) >> >> *What will we do with this data? >> *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >> grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >> *vtiger Modules >> * >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >> If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >> Have a great Weekend! >> >> - Saint >> >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gforge appears to be a much more focused platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge mike, I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ for the vtigerforge... cheers, /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f29515df/attachment.htm From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 13:05:04 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:05:04 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think gforge is much more stable than xoopsforge. I used to be a user for both system. But gforge needs lots of technical skills to implement. -- Finjon Kiang On 1/24/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 13:19:26 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Everybody's a critic... :-D gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much easier and quicker to set up. Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >for the vtigerforge... > >cheers, >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 23 13:46:23 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54EAF.4020601@zertis.net> I just switch to Subversion from cvs. WOW! I use TortoiseSVN on my windows box, just WOW! I will never again use cvs. Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 13:32:17 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54B61.8090909@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 13:49:03 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:49:03 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Message-ID: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, I know you have your reasons, your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) /sak On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > Everybody's a critic... :-D > > gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much > easier and quicker to set up. > > Mike > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike, > > > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > >for the vtigerforge... > > > >cheers, > >/sak > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 14:30:08 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Why not gforge (for the record!) In-Reply-To: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D558F0.5040908@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Sergio, I didn't take it wrong. I knew how you meant it! :D OK, I do want to address the "Why not gForge!" question. First off, as most of us are part-timers on this project, or the time we offer is. Second, being the geek I am, I install stuff like this just to learn how to do these things. My home server was a test bed, and it is Gentoo based. My laptop is Ubuntu, kids machines are Mepis, and I've done the Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva thing. Overall, emerge beats apt/yum/urpmi and all the other installation tools hands down. Not to start a flame war, but to explain: All I had to do was: emerge gforge and it was installed. Then I got into the setup, and here's some points: 1) gforge is not a cohesive program, as much as it is multiple (5-6) different programs loosly glued together. 2) Documentation is OK, but setup was extensive and very detailed. It was not a simple process at all. After a couple of days, I gave up. Folks, I don't give up easily. Let's rephrase that as a time/benefit analysis was done (in my head) and I decided to punt. Surprisingly, there are not many "forges" out there. However, you may be seeing more and more of Novell forge, which is based on myXoopsForge. It had all the elements I was looking for: MySQL compatible, relatively easy to install, etc. FWIW! Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, >I know you have your reasons, >your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) > >/sak > >On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > > >>Everybody's a critic... :-D >> >>gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much >>easier and quicker to set up. >> >>Mike >> >>Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >> >> >> >>>mike, >>> >>>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>>for the vtigerforge... >>> >>>cheers, >>>/sak >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 23 15:19:27 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: Mike, I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5bce46a/attachment.htm From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 15:43:38 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:43:38 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D56A2A.5060509@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I really didn't take it as "coming down on me". Since the Panthers got creamed by Seattle last night, it's easy to be an arm-chair quarterback. I really wanted to nip the Why not gForge in the bud. Further, this forge is far from perfect. I've already invested a boat-load of time, and can see investing even more to get it solid. What I really need is volunteers willing to share this burden. I'm seeing in every project I do: The first 90% takes 10% of the time. That last 10% is what kills you, and that's the part that I'm asking for help on now. I'll give you a for-instance: I created a project called vtigerforge where we can enter bugs with the site and put in feature requests. The damn trackers aren't working. I'm in a ssh shell now trying to figure out why the SQL statements don't work. Those are the types of things I wish I had backup on. :-[ No worries, though. No hurt feelings on my side. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: >Mike, > >I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. > >Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. > >Best Regards, > >- Joel > >________________________________ > >From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe >Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM >To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > > >Joel, > >I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I >absolutely want you playing with the system. > >Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't >configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. > >Mike > > >Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > >>Mike, >> >>I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused >>platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into >>new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). >> >>In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an >>account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. >> >>Regards, >> >>- Joel >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>*From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of >>Sergio A. Kessler >>*Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM >>*To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>*Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge >> >>mike, >> >>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>for the vtigerforge... >> >>cheers, >>/sak >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:32:49 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Site features/bugs section Message-ID: <43D575B1.2060106@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, I've started a Features request section of vtigerforge. URL is: Enhancement Requests It is now on the left menu below the main menu. Please add, *or volunteer* to help with these items. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f77f8d5a/attachment.html From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Tue Jan 24 07:56:26 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Where does the date entry field on Quotes live? Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F7@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> One of those things that *should* be easy, but is proving to be a serious PITA... I have an open ticket that the Expiration Date on a New Quote be set to "current date + 30 days", instead of "current date" as it is now. This should just be a case of finding the assignment of the default value to the current date, and doing a dateAdd of +30days to it. 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URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060124/aab22588/attachment.htm From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 01:52:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> hi all, i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >question. > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >switch to svn. > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > and probably some guidelines. thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go back definitively from novell forge choice ? cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 04:07:30 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:07:30 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> hi fathi, vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare time) so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a solid help proposal... are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger ? just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >question. > > > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >switch to svn. > > > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > > and probably some guidelines. > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 06:17:47 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > time) like all of us. > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want a constructive discussion. we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we go, communicate. > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > solid help proposal... > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > ? i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", you have it. > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... you probably misunderstand my message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) so here is the consensus : first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the amount of projects to be hosted. waiting for your answers :) another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. second, a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop novellforge like this. the roadmap : 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge 2) setup gforge on local test platform 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 12:23:06 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:23:06 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) I also agree with the subversion idea... > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? interesting question... ;-) I don't know if the current status of the system (vtiger) warrant a forge, but some people wanted it... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > > > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > > time) > > like all of us. > > > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... > > i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want > a constructive discussion. > > we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. > ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. > We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we > go, communicate. > > > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > > solid help proposal... > > > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > > ? > > i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a > possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? > > if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. > if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", > you have it. > > > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... > > you probably misunderstand my message. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) > so here is the consensus : > > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need > a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the > amount of projects to be hosted. > > waiting for your answers :) > > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. > > second, > > a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. > b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop > novellforge like this. > > the roadmap : > 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge > 2) setup gforge on local test platform > 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting > > if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 12:31:00 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:31:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 12:51:10 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:51:10 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Thu Jan 26 22:38:24 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:38:24 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Hello Team! Good to know that we have an active discussion on here. Mike and myself had discussed using gforge and it is a beast to work with. As we are all working on this together, Mike has volunteered to get the forge running. The easiest to get to work was the current one he is using. Having said that, we had also asked for earlier suggestions for forge but we did not get many easy to use systems. Mike, on his own initiative found out the current solution and has done admirably till now. I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why not proceed with it? Fahi, I do understand your point and Sak was just pointing out the facts that had occured before you joined the list. We are in this together and there is no sole ownership. We just chip in whatever we can, whenever we can. Mike has high regards for everyone over here and we actively look forward to help Mike out with the cvs/svn. Mike has a free hand there. Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to keep us guys updated. So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! In Mike +! Richie ----sergiokessler at gmail.com wrote ---- does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060126/33043567/attachment-0001.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 13:33:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D9401B.8090400@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) > not for the moment, but it's noted :) thanks From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 13:47:35 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:35 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <43D94377.6010007@free.fr> Joe Stewart a ?crit : > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > i'm a debian user/maintainer, my local test platform are sarge and sid. christian bayle have pre packaged current gforge. i have contact with roland mas, the current maintainer and already installed gforge in the past. i'm totally agree with you about "gforge scales for future needs". we are all convinced that gforge is a more powerfull solution than novell forge From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 13:51:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D94461.1030607@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > no, ldap isn't an absolute requirement. we can use gforge without it. in 3.x series, authentification was in ldap. but now, in 4.x series, authentification can be in postgresql. From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 16:31:14 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built to use ldap. the setup asks the questions to setup slapd. You shouldn't have to mess with it. Joe > /sak > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Thu Jan 26 14:18:06 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] [Re: vtigerforge] Message-ID: <43D94A9E.4070109@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, You're killing me! Everybody's missing the point on this. Gforge installed easily. I thought I could emerge it and set it up quick. Configuring for what we need was difficult for someone with no gforge experience. I'm sure the debian package installs easily. Gentoo installs gforge easy. As I said before, I'm not a n00n at this. Fathi says he will need 1-2 weeks to set gforge up. That's how it always is. Matching themes, making the instruction pages reference the correct project pages, etc. Nobody here is thinking about that last 5% which takes the most time. I set up owl to try and get the community started. I created VIP as a way we could distribute mods. Fathi did the right thing. He has offered his time to set up gforge. I welcome it, despite my time invested in the current product. Gforge is better. Please, help is make vtiger better. Donate time. Donate software. Open source will only survive is we all pitch in. I'm not upset with wanting a better forge. But please, don't spent time like this wishing I'd given my 2-3 weeks of free evening time to something nobody else has stepped up to do. My blogs are trying to teach things I have learned. Contribute! Community! That's who we need to be. Joe, just cause you were the straw, I'm not directing this at you. I'm not mad. I want more of these great ideas implemented. I've learned that I had to step up for results here. Let's all do that. :D Flame on! :) Mike ( boy have I had a pissy day ) Crowe ------Original Message------ From: Joe Stewart Sender: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ReplyTo: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Sent: Jan 26, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Mike Crowe Sr. Field Sales Engineer ELCOM 3030 Naomi Dr. Clover, SC 29710 Phone: (803) 831-9050 Fax: (704) 973-7910 mike.crowe at elcomsales.com http://www.elcomsales.com/ ( note new email address ) From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 00:13:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:13:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <200601270913.16232.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 01:31, Joe Stewart a ?crit : > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There > were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install > time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built > to use ldap. not in 4.5.3 last unofficial debian release. cheers, fathi From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 00:35:21 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:35:21 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always > move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. > > I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their > hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. > > Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make > do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a > different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed > a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why > not proceed with it? > > Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to > keep us guys updated. > > So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! hi, you seems to have missed this thread : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html and what i don't have is : > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this (mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your feelings ? In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue with current forge. cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 00:41:17 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 00:53:14 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:53:14 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090b10f4ff.5697312263588696717.-5855809778261626224@@vtiger.com> Hi Team! Whatever is convenient is ok. Mike just pmed me and said he was okay with working with Fathi on the gforge. I did go through the thread Fathi, thank you though.Fathi, I just feel that we should always consider the person who has put in his heart out on something and it is not right to just brush it off without having a good fight on it. But, as I said, if Mike is okay, then all is fine. If the only drawback is lack of postgres on the forge machine, go ahead and install it. If that is an issue, let me know and I will try and have it installed from here itself. I agree Fathi we have more options now. If Mike and team feel it is good to have gforge with cvs/svn after dropping the current setup, then please do feel free. Mike, Fathi if there be any more queries, you can reach me by phone. Richie ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there still significant activity on this project ? so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? the questions were already asked : cycle release ? naming scheme ? cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 06:11:22 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:11:22 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 06:54:46 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:54:46 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Hello, I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by tomorrow. Thanks, Gopal ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060127/a4bb3f78/attachment.html From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 06:59:43 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43DA355F.1080606@vtigercrmfrance.org> This is a very good news gopal. Gopal a ?crit : > Hello, > > I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by > tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Gopal > > > > > ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- > > I agree, > lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also > roadmap to know the future.... > > Fathi Boudra a ?crit : > > >hi all, > > > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > > > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks > nice, but my > >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only > ran to July > >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? > >> > >> > > > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. > >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > > > >the questions were already asked : > >cycle release ? > >naming scheme ? > > > >cheers, > > > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Fri Jan 27 13:24:54 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:24:54 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Plans for future stable 4.2.x releases? Message-ID: <43DA8FA6.9070805@mikefedyk.com> Hi, For the last few days I have been going through the forums looking for fixes to little problems that look interesting and several qualify for integration into the stable release IMO. The "single quote in description removes lead during conversion" bug is also a show stopper. I know most of the resources are being put into the next major release right now, but I think the 4.2.x tree needs a few more bug fix releases. Is there anyone willing to work with me on maintaining the 4.2.x tree or at least review the bug fixes that I gather together so a new bug fix release can be made? Mike (There always has to be at least one Mike) Fedyk From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 27 18:49:23 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <1138416563.20472.25.camel@ubuntu> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 11:14:37 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> This email is sent from the new webmail interface... Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. Matt In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/0fa1489f/attachment.htm From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Mon Jan 30 13:29:53 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE8551.7060502@mikefedyk.com> There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 13:43:26 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: The only HTML I saw was nbsp; so I took that and a few of the other similar ones out. Let me know if that helps. Matt In reply to the message sent by Mike Fedyk < mfedyk at mikefedyk.com > on Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800: There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap? Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/93a626fc/attachment-0001.html From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 30 14:24:53 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE9235.7070907@zertis.net> Looks Great to me in Thunderbird. Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As already said in this post : http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=4607 there's some changes to do : - rename vtiger_crm directory in vtiger-crm - replace "_" by "-" - keep source directory with version (vtiger-crm-4.2.3) - provide tarball archive - provide default parameters in configuration file config.php - hostname auto detectection doesn't work with ipv6 - remove executable flag from files - merge LICENSE and LICENSE_AGGREEMENT to single copyright file Don't know if it's done but for the last point, who's in charge of legal stuff ? ATM the debian copyright file is : -BEGIN---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was downloaded from http://www.vtiger.com Copyright Holder: (c) 2003-2005 vtiger.com License: * Mozilla Public License version 1.1 The MPL can be found at http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ * GNU Public license (GPL) On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' vtiger crm consists of the following components: * Apache software (Apache License) * MySQL server (GPL) * PHP (PHP License 3.0) * SugarCRM (SPL 1.1.2) * phpBB (GPL) * TUTOS (GPL) * phpSysinfo (GPL) * PHPMailer (LGPL) * lastRSS (GPL) * gdwin32 (GPL) * nusoap (LGPL) * ADOdb (BSD license) * FCKeditor (LGPL) * Squirrel Mail (GPL) * Mailfeed (GPL) each one copyrighted under their respective licenses. The complete text concerning the licenses can be found within the package : * Copyright.txt * LICENSE_AGREEMENT.txt * LICENSE.txt -END---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're looking vtiger crm story. cheers, Fathi PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a first use. From kiange at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 12:21:46 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:21:46 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > looking vtiger crm story. > > cheers, > > Fathi I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think vtiger crm must be released under GPL. MPL allows you to modify the license as you wish, LGPL allows you to use the software which released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should release your software under GPL. > > PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a > first use. Great news. :) -- Finjon Kiang From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 13:29:59 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Fathi Boudra wrote: >taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >looking vtiger crm story. > > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but not in the source archive. From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 13:42:23 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Finjon Kiang wrote: >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >>looking vtiger crm story. >> >>cheers, >> >>Fathi >> >> > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php source files. >MPL allows you to modify the >license as you wish, > No. The MPL defines the distinction between license boundaries at the file level. If you want to introduce another license into a MPL licensed project it needs to be in a separate file. >LGPL allows you to use the software which >released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. >But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should >release your software under GPL. > That is not a black and white requirement of the GPL. There are many ways GPL code can be brought into a non-GPL project if the interactions with the GPL code are done in certain ways. I am not claiming that his has been done with vtiger though. I'm not familiar with the code base enough yet. Mike From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Tue Jan 31 15:07:07 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <1138748827.20220.89.camel@ubuntu> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 13:42 -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Finjon Kiang wrote: > > >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > > > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > >>looking vtiger crm story. > >> > >>cheers, > >> > >>Fathi > >> > >> > > > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think > >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > > > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The > GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary > distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the > compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not > being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php > source files. > Taken from the FSF License FAQ "Licenses NOT Compatible with the GPL" section: Mozilla Public License (MPL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; unlike the X11 license, it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. That is, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the MPL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the MPL for this reason. However, MPL 1.1 has a provision (section 13) that allows a program (or parts of it) to offer a choice of another license as well. If part of a program allows the GNU GPL as an alternate choice, or any other GPL-compatible license as an alternate choice, that part of the program has a GPL-compatible license. Section 13 of the VPL: 13. MULTIPLE-LICENSED CODE. Initial Developer may designate portions of the Covered Code as "Multiple-Licensed". "Multiple-Licensed" means that the Initial Developer permits you to utilize portions of the Covered Code under Your choice of the SPL or the alternative licenses, if any, specified by the Initial Developer in the file described in Exhibit A.This software is Copyright vtiger and Contributors. All rights reserved. This license has been certified as open source. We couldn't put the whole project under GPL even if all the current developers agreed because we don't have any copyrights on the original SPL code it was born from. Rather, we would have to rip out any GPL code since we don't have rights to change the underlying license. Anyways, the version of the MPL that the SPL/VPL are based off of should be fully compatible and allow mixing of code with different licenses. IANAL and such :). Matt From fboudra at free.fr Tue Jan 31 18:26:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi BOUDRA) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 02:26:29 +0000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <200602010226.29293.fboudra@free.fr> Talking about vtiger crm 5.x licence, as i understand, it will be released under a LGPL license. > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but > not in the source archive. which binary version of vtiger ? vtiger isn't a binary apps (as you said no comipilation, no linking), it's sources only. when you distribute an open source software, you provide a copyright file that talk about his licensing. There's no direct link between your software and how you package/bundle it. legaly, you need to provide respective licenses of software that you use. In all cases, apache or mysql aren't components of vtiger crm, just components of the easy setup for windows that we provide. Finally, what we need to know about current vtiger crm (and probably next), is what portion of code aren't contribution. who is original author and what license was used in his code. vtiger code and contributions from people to vtiger seems dual-licensed. is it legal ? is MPL compatible with some GPL portion ? i know, this is just an interpretation, but this is the lawyers way, and they play wiith words. cheers, Fathi PS: just a small note about MPL, according to some debian legal people MPL is a non-free license, so SPL and VPL as well. From richie at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 00:28:29 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] upgrade to latest mysql Message-ID: <108ada30884.3782719508554343347.-7731005037422626773@@vtiger.com> During security implementation, we realised that with the current mysql version, we will be taking a sizeable performance hit. We do not have any numbers as such but we think it will be better to move to the latest version of mysql say we support mysql 4.1.x to the latest version. This will involve quite some code changes so that the queries work with all the versions of mysql. I am looking for any easy upgrade path. Any suggestions on this are welcome. Richie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm Module: vtiger_crm tags found from at SourceForge: Branches VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH VTIGER MAIN Non-branch tags VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD ...lots of tags with date string And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could found the daily build packages?? -- Finjon Kiang From richie at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 02:16:28 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:16:28 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support Message-ID: <108ae05e4f9.2156783245219552580.-3325471538301114646@@vtiger.com> Hello! Came across this article on PostGres movement. Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060108/097bb7fd/attachment-0002.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 03:43:34 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:43:34 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 05:20:11 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: <108aeae1824.957038252233567205.1145381114453612729@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for updating the Traditional Chinese language pack. Could you please post the updated version in Language Packs forum in vtiger Discussions? http://forums.vtiger.com/viewforum.php?f=16 Regards, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:18:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> References: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 07:20:32 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:20:32 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] reply-to Message-ID: <49216030601090420x459630c8l1b397cfb46e45769@mail.gmail.com> richie, can you setup the reply-to of the mailing list to vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ?? so, automatically when someone hit reply, the reply go to the mailing list instead on the individual poster... /sak From vtiger at timandjulie.com Mon Jan 9 11:10:25 2006 From: vtiger at timandjulie.com (Tim Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:10:25 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor specific issues. For example: Select a, b + c from tablex Would become: Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would determine the target database and replace macros before executing. Using these macros, we handled differences in: * String concatenation * Date comparison * Case sensitivity in queries * Joins In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros dealt with all differences. Regards, Tim Onweald, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM To: Richie Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Mon Jan 9 13:09:20 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PATCH: Fix hidden attachment size limit bug Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F4@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> 2 files need to be patched. 1) Patch index.php as follows; the file should end like this: ------------------------------------------- echo "
"; // Under the Sugar Public License referenced above, you are required to leave in all copyright statements in both // the code and end-user application. //echo("
© 2004 SugarCRM Inc. All Rights Reserved.
"); if($calculate_response_time) { $endTime = microtime(); $deltaTime = microtime_diff($startTime, $endTime); echo(' Server response time: '.$deltaTime.' seconds.'); } echo "
\n"; } echo "\n"; } ------------------------------------------- The change is in the last few lines; this puts the assignment of userDateFormat inside the check for viewing an attachment or not, and does so in (I think) a nicer format. 2) Change line 99 of startVtiger.sh to: ------------------ ./bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=$MYSQL_HOME --datadir=$MYSQL_HOME/data --socket=$mysql_socket --tmpdir=$MYSQL_HOME/tmp --user=root --port=$mysql_port --max_allowed_packet=16M --default-table-type=INNODB > /dev/null & ------------------ The change is the addition of -max_allowed_packet=16M Eventually, we're going to have to start distributing proper unix diff patches for this stuff; it makes life MUCH easier. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060109/2e9199e0/attachment-0002.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 01:29:44 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:29:44 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> References: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> Message-ID: <3bec26390601092229m5c6b1e4fn4fac34ef9e380319@mail.gmail.com> I think most people have the right idea here, we don't want to support mysql 4.1 or 5.0 or postgres or any other database. Just like writing w3c complaint html we want to write SQL (probably 92) compliant statements and then add any vendor specific hacks as they are needed. As mentioned I don't think those libraries are what we want (that would just add one database to the list of supported dbs), using adodb is a good start, but if the SQL needs to be standard as well. What does that mean to mysql programs? Basically just don't do anything on this (http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html) list, and we are doing a lot of that right now. On 1/9/06, Tim Smith wrote: > In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL > across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor > specific issues. > > For example: > Select a, b + c from tablex > Would become: > Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex > > {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. > (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would > determine the target database and replace macros before executing. > > Using these macros, we handled differences in: > * String concatenation > * Date comparison > * Case sensitivity in queries > * Joins > > In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug > work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros > dealt with all differences. > > Regards, > Tim > > Onweald, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Sergio A. Kessler > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM > To: Richie > Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support > > yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, > it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... > > and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less > porting work is needed... > > /sak > > On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 17:43:01 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:43:01 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Sat Jan 14 13:25:48 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C9422C.6090508@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Sun Jan 15 21:29:00 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:29:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what the discussion boards used to be. Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? - Joel (aka jrydbeck) -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Mike Crowe Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From allan.bush at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 21:56:23 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:56:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601151856g75c221c8rd890ab4b83304af2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I'm here On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 14:45:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:45:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> almost nobody know there are mailing lists... AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... /sak On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 15:15:57 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:15:57 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 16 16:43:46 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:43:46 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Richie, I thought you guys were freezing the forum --which would force discussion to move here. Right now its even more work to monitor both. - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Finjon Kiang Sent: Mon 1/16/2006 2:45 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060116/55a31b56/attachment.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 17:22:15 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:22:15 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601161422l6588eb49ib8f5a2c51d41d53d@mail.gmail.com> yes please, richie, can you set the reply-to of the mailing list to "vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com" ? /sak On 1/16/06, Finjon Kiang wrote: > Most people like using forum. :) > > Anyway, I'm here. > > * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? > > -- > Finjon Kiang > > On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > > > /sak > > > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > > Mike Crowe > > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > > > >/sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 15:55:46 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:46 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] getText implementation Message-ID: <49216030601171255jde5255chd0c42c04eb363745@mail.gmail.com> mike, sorry to bother, but richie is asking you (in the forums): "Mike, is your alternate getText solution stable for integration into the core please? Richie" I guess you can reply here... regards, /sak pd: richie, are you on this list ?? From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 16:29:00 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:29:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] CSS bar graph Message-ID: <49216030601171329q5a535d3ep54caebe82e53dac@mail.gmail.com> hey, maybe we can use CSS for the graphics... check the 'Vertical CSS Bar Graph' at http://apples-to-oranges.com/blog/article.aspx?id=55 /sak From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 10:24:54 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Urk, I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing a Quote. Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields - DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS - that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote is GET, not POST - meaning that all the data filled in in these two text fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) fails quietly - no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and everything works as normal. This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc as one giant tarball. Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the consequences of doing this? Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper for us. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060118/fc653e77/attachment-0002.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 11:30:39 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180830v6efc2d4dh7221acbecacbb491@mail.gmail.com> You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them are, the quote's one must have been over looked). The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from "get" to "post" (~line 39). On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 12:14:56 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> > Allan Bush wrote: > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > "get" to "post" (~line 39). Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? While we're at it: [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * Calendar/calendar_month.php: Calendar/calendar_week.php: Calendar/calendar_day.php: Home/index.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Orders/EditView.html: Should any of these get changed too? DG From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:57:40 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:57:40 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180957w354e675fn4a2ea9bbb9360bc@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > Allan Bush wrote: > > > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > > > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > > "get" to "post" (~line 39). > > Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. > > Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? > > While we're at it: > > [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * > Calendar/calendar_month.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_week.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_day.php: action="index.php"> > Home/index.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="export.php"> > Orders/EditView.html: action="index.php"> > > Should any of these get changed too? > > DG > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > The Orders one should probably be changed as well. The next release uses a very different approach for all these EditView.html files (they've been removed) which should help and reduce code repetition errors such as this. (sorry for sending this twice Dennis, they really need to fix the reply-to of this list) From sergiokessler at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 13:06:41 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:06:41 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <49216030601181006u4fbffc72k48c80400fc45195e@mail.gmail.com> according to the http standard: - all things that modify information (insert, update) should be made with POST, not with GET. - all things that do NOT modify information (select, view), should be made with GET. to solve the problem that some variables can be seen in the url bar (and you do not like that), I just simply encrypt and base64'd all the params... so you see a lot of garbage in the url /sak On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From allan.bush at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:50:07 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:50:07 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostgreSQL integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601180950o771c8aa4h5371ddcbd298dffd@mail.gmail.com> Joel, Hope you don't mind if I send this conversation through the mailing list, I think it helps to encourage more input. I sent richie the changes required to get the installation process working for postgres, however I haven't seen them integrated into the CVS HEAD yet, I'm not sure what the status is on this happening. The rest of the work required should be fairly simple, the code base has quited down some what but I think we should wait until a feature complete beta release at least until starting (especially if it's going to take this long for changes to be ported). If mysql 5.0 (in strict mode) is going to be supported then pretty much all the changes needed for postgres will be: adding "AS" to all aliases and using ilike for case-insensitive comparisons, both of which can be accomplished by a regular expression (hopefully). On 1/18/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Allan, > > I trust all is well with you. Any word yet from Richie on whether they > pulled your changes into 5.0? I've put my users on 4.2 and will likely stay > there until Postgres support is GA. > > - Joel From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 11:34:53 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:04:53 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI Message-ID: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the UI will evolve. thanks, Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vtCalendarAct2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73622 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment.jpg From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 15:44:33 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <994473020601191244i6fcd7016i6cf9cf0e94c703f6@mail.gmail.com> I think this is a nice look/layout. I also like the fact that you can chose to view ALL, or just Calls, or just Meetings, or just To Do's. This will help someone like myself that has a lot of To Do's and Calls, I will be able to sort through them without looking at meetings and such. Great Job! Jamie On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com < vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com> wrote: > > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/61e17d31/attachment.html From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 15:46:34 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:46:34 +1000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <43CFFAAA.8060409@saucesoft.com> Who is the owner of the calendar features for V5? We've got WebCalendar and VTiger in our enviornment, and we're trying to answer the integrate vs interface question. Reason: shared calendar views, check availability, etc. vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the > UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and > also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The > Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and > Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, > where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger > language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to > add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 16:18:02 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:18:02 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191318l7c5d0a28jd4756db255e3afa4@mail.gmail.com> all I can say is "wow !" saint, you rock my world ! /sak On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 16:20:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:20:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup Message-ID: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:56:59 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:58:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191458m16a45bcev47c81c4b9de9adfb@mail.gmail.com> Shut up fag On 1/19/06, Allan Bush wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:59:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191459l5be9ab72t1443bc77f64f2830@mail.gmail.com> jeje, yeah ! On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 00:30:00 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:30:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] test mail ignore please Message-ID: <108e64a5cdd.-3250335098778029299.7469722359878652479@@vtiger.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/4b8a434a/attachment-0002.html From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 00:33:55 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:33:55 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <108e64df7c4.-4412754091821777314.-6590670886335450492@@vtiger.com> Hi sak! I hope I got it right now! Please confirm. Richie ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/1367b5e9/attachment.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 06:51:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:51:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601200351m5ab12a4cg6c5af494d77905fc@mail.gmail.com> hi richie, yup, I think you got it right this time ! ;-) cheers, /sak On 1/20/06, Richie wrote: > Hi sak! > > I hope I got it right now! > Please confirm. > > Richie > > > > ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- > > > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From developer at infointegrated.com Fri Jan 20 08:51:16 2006 From: developer at infointegrated.com (Brian Devendorf) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:51:16 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <55DA45FC-9116-408C-BD6B-7B8E860D4DE5@infointegrated.com> Saint, The changes being done to the theme are amazing. Looking at the latest modifications, I understand the grouping of the Activities and Calendar, but was wondering what the added benefit was. It makes sense to group them together, but I don't see any other advantages. It looks like it would always require two clicks to get to the activities display. I love the new activities view, with this view, should it just replace the To Do sub-menu under My Home? Or, should there be a Calls, Meetings, and ToDo item? They would all go to the same display window with a different Showing: criteria selected. Your thoughts? Thanks, Brian On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:34 AM, vtigercrm- developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for > the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme > color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image > attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my > view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities > is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings > and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. > It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, > Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Matt From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Fri Jan 20 12:29:31 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:31 +0000 GMT Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Matthew, Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Brichacek Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 To:Vtiger Devel List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into this when I try to access the CVS area: Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 20 12:37:46 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1137778667.16376.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> No worries, I'll just keep working on the project admin stuff for now. New forge looks good BTW. Matt On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 17:29 +0000, Mike Crowe wrote: > Matthew, > Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. > Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Brichacek > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 > To:Vtiger Devel List > Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge > > I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into > this when I try to access the CVS area: > Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error > > Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From kiange at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 15:51:48 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:51:48 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems Message-ID: I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 23:06:49 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:06:49 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108eb249690.5336529970365320349.977843371556770271@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for notifying the error in latest download links. I have fixed the links. Our team will look into the other issue that you have mentioned. Thanks, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060120/0b52e00e/attachment.html From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Sat Jan 21 06:15:15 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:15:15 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Plans for a release in the 4.2 branch after 4.2.3? Message-ID: <43D217C3.8020803@mikefedyk.com> Hi, I have a fresh install of 4.2.3 that I need to customize, and it looks like I'll be needing a few of the code contributions like field sorting and maybe 7 others. Several of these look like they would qualify as bug fixes for the stable branch. I looked through the CVS tree and it seems like there won't be any more bug fix releases for the 4.2 branch. In fact VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH is missing quite a few files. I saw the posting in the developers forum about trac and svn and would be willing to help maintain the 4.2 branch until 5.0 is released if others are interested. Please reply to my address in addition to the list since I'm not subscribed to the list. Mike From rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com Sat Jan 21 08:48:06 2006 From: rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com (Rajesh Sundaram K) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:18:06 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D23B96.4000709@adventnet.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0002.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0002.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cardsorting.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment.jpg From jlee at zertis.net Sat Jan 21 10:51:54 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:51:54 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you > would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting > method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to > have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. > > *What you need to do? > *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a > coke and do this sorting method. > > > *What is this Card sorting method?* > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and > group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card > with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you > have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under > each group. > > *What will you get in return?* > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > *What will we do with this data? > *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > *vtiger Modules > * > > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > * > * > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From saint at vtiger.com Sun Jan 22 06:49:33 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:19:33 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Message-ID: <43D3714D.2050300@vtiger.com> Yes, you can put the same card in two groups ! Josh Lee wrote: >Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? > >saint wrote: > > > >>Team, >> >>We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you >>would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting >>method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to >>have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. >> >>*What you need to do? >>*Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a >>coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >>*What is this Card sorting method?* >>Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >>According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >>paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >>image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >>group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes >>and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be >>grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module >>needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card >>with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you >>have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under >>each group. >> >>*What will you get in return?* >>The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >>vtiger About page. :-) >> >>*What will we do with this data? >>*With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >>grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >>*vtiger Modules >>* >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >>If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >>Have a great Weekend! >> >>- Saint >> >> >> >> >>* >>* >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060122/f0b84d81/attachment-0002.html From developer at infointegrated.com Sun Jan 22 16:23:47 2006 From: developer at infointegrated.com (Brian Devendorf) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:23:47 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: I took this concept and decided to design my ideal CRM application. A couple of ideas for existing modules first: Mail: Currently, Webmail is personal mail, and Mail is CRM mail. CRM mail should support two separate mail accounts: sales & support. These accounts would be setup separately and viewed separately. Email should be the current webmail with send functionality very similar to the current implementation. Contacts: There should be filtering support based on a few criteria. Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). Notes: Should support categories including personal notes for each individual on the system. Tabs: Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". Home: The items that appear on the default page should be configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, but should be a future feature. Overall GUI: The system already is designed with two levels of menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. Initial results from Card Sort: My initial results had many items under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area along the left column which is always visible with My Home items. As these are likely the most frequently used by users. The My Home area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, Inventory, and Settings (for admin). Sales: Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, Invoice Support: Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email Marketing: Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email Reports: Dashboard, Reports Inventory: Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the My Home items to make them more easily identifiable. ? On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that > you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card- > Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users > wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes > for this. > > What you need to do? > Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab > a coke and do this sorting method. > > > What is this Card sorting method? > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/ > sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new > card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure > that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and > modules under each group. > > What will you get in return? > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > What will we do with this data? > With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > vtiger Modules > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and > sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The easiest way to achieve this of course, is to add all modules to all tabs and have an admin console that allows for modules to be turned off within a specific tab.... but that's for further debate. One of the problems with any solution, is that different markets, different types of companies and (even) different countries, mean that our clients have a very mixed set of requirements and one of the benefits of having all of the modules as Tabs, gives a level of flexibility that can work for most people.... therefore any loss of this flexibility is going to be a backwards step. We have over 150 CRM installs of different systems, some of these vTiger specific, most of these our legacy CRM solutions, and one thing that stands out is that 80% of the solution is the same as the next guy, and 20% is 'configured/bespoke/customised'. The problem is the 20% can often be different. My example is simple : Some of our clients are not big enough to understand the difference between Marketing and Sales, particularly if there are only two sales people and they handle all of the lead generation themselves (therefore they are Marketing and Sales). In this scenario they would want to be able have a single tab - Sales - that has Leads, Opportunities and their sales orders (plus the obvious other modules).. rather than these modules appearing in different places..... What this means is that we need the ability to configure the tabs, to show whatever modules are required... but if I was pushed, I would want the option to be able to display (or NOT) any of the following, under their tabs... By the way ... The idea of making changes to the Activity screens, as Brian suggested is a great idea and probably should not be overlooked, as it will bring added functionality to the application. We feel that an add on module similar to My Home is a must have and have developed a desktop tool bar that offers this functionality which has been commercially available for a while, although on our legacy systems. It is called ViewPoint and we have been using this self authored .NET application on all of our systems, to help productivity... so we agree that something along the My Home idea may be very useful.. Anyway.. here goes... One fundamental difference in what we have seen and what we would like (utopia here we come) is the addition of a TAB for Admin or Tracking.... this is because we (and other clients) as a company, need an administrative function to track our sales orders, Purchase orders, quotes, Invoices, Global Activities, Vendor activity and others... so we feel there should be some suitable named TAB that allows for this sort of information to be tracked. This is quite important for us, as our clients will have a sales cycle that is inclusive of the sales personnel and then the tracking or processing will be handled by someone in ADMIN, especially if sales people are 'on the road' a lot. Just a thought. Sales : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Sales Orders, Price Books, Dashboard, Notes, Products. Support : Accounts, Contacts, Helpdesk, **contracts**, FAQ, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard (support focus) and Notes. Marketing : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard, Notes Tracking : Sales Orders, Purchase orders, Quotes, Opportunities, **documentation**, Activities, Vendors, Invoices. Other tabs... agree in principle as they stand. So in summary... what is different in this proposal.... 1. Allow all modules to be available from all tabs and give a console to turn on and off 2. Add new TAB that allows for the Non sales or Non Support personnel - tracking from an admin person, who is responsible for just doing this work. 3. Consider Contracts for support 4. Consider how we will handle documentation that may need tracking... terms and conditions (bespoke document) that has a deadline or dependency for other triggers and workflow in the system. 5. Agree with Brian's view that some form of Desktop menu/side bar/ toolbar is a good idea, especially if this is configurable.. Enough for now.. if you managed to digest and read this far.. I hope it makes some sense... because this is so important to us all, thank you for letting us comment. It probably goes without saying, that if any of these diatribes produce any work that we can assist with... please let me know... I am happy (as always) to dedicate whatever resources we can to our common goal. Regards Graham Graham Anderson Managing Director Software Add-ons t. +44 (0)8452 303083 e. grahama at add-ons.co.uk ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of saint Sent: 21 January 2006 12:56 To: Developers List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. What you need to do? Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. What is this Card sorting method? Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. What will you get in return? The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) What will we do with this data? With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. vtiger Modules Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5e98f0d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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MikeF From saint at vtiger.com Mon Jan 23 04:22:48 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:48 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D4A068.1030607@vtiger.com> Brian, Thanks for your time and effort. That's an excellent observation. Great work! Team, The results of one card-sort test is available now. Let's see what others think of an ideal CRM application's tab structure and suggestions. Send in the results of your card-sort test. Your inputs will definitely make v5 a great product to use. :-) cheers, Saint Brian Devendorf wrote: > I took this concept and decided to design my ideal CRM application. A > couple of ideas for existing modules first: > *Mail: *Currently, Webmail is personal mail, and Mail is CRM mail. CRM > mail should support two separate mail accounts: sales & support. These > accounts would be setup separately and viewed separately. Email should > be the current webmail with send functionality very similar to the > current implementation. > *Contacts:* There should be filtering support based on a few criteria. > Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the > individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). > *Notes:* Should support categories including personal notes for each > individual on the system. > *Tabs: *Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under > which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". > *Home:* The items that appear on the default page should be > configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, > but should be a future feature. > *Overall GUI:* The system already is designed with two levels of > menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any > additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, > or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. > > *Initial results from Card Sort: *My initial results had many items > under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After > thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I > thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area > along the left column which is always visible with *My Home* items. As > these are likely the most frequently used by users. > > The *My Home* area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, > Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. > The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, > Inventory, and Settings (for admin). > *Sales: *Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, > Invoice > *Support:* Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email > *Marketing:* Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email > *Reports: *Dashboard, Reports > *Inventory: *Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order > > In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could > easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, > it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to > associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under > Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the *My > Home* items to make them more easily identifiable. > > > > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > >> Team, >> >> We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that >> you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the >> Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most >> users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few >> minutes for this. >> >> *What you need to do? >> *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab >> a coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >> *What is this Card sorting method?* >> Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >> >> According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >> paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >> image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >> group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, >> Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ >> can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular >> module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a >> new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure >> that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and >> modules under each group. >> >> *What will you get in return?* >> The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >> vtiger About page. :-) >> >> *What will we do with this data? >> *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >> grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >> *vtiger Modules >> * >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >> If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >> Have a great Weekend! >> >> - Saint >> >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gforge appears to be a much more focused platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge mike, I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ for the vtigerforge... cheers, /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f29515df/attachment.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 16:05:04 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:05:04 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think gforge is much more stable than xoopsforge. I used to be a user for both system. But gforge needs lots of technical skills to implement. -- Finjon Kiang On 1/24/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:19:26 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Everybody's a critic... :-D gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much easier and quicker to set up. Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >for the vtigerforge... > >cheers, >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 23 16:46:23 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54EAF.4020601@zertis.net> I just switch to Subversion from cvs. WOW! I use TortoiseSVN on my windows box, just WOW! I will never again use cvs. Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:32:17 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54B61.8090909@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 16:49:03 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:49:03 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Message-ID: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, I know you have your reasons, your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) /sak On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > Everybody's a critic... :-D > > gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much > easier and quicker to set up. > > Mike > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike, > > > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > >for the vtigerforge... > > > >cheers, > >/sak > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 17:30:08 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Why not gforge (for the record!) In-Reply-To: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D558F0.5040908@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Sergio, I didn't take it wrong. I knew how you meant it! :D OK, I do want to address the "Why not gForge!" question. First off, as most of us are part-timers on this project, or the time we offer is. Second, being the geek I am, I install stuff like this just to learn how to do these things. My home server was a test bed, and it is Gentoo based. My laptop is Ubuntu, kids machines are Mepis, and I've done the Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva thing. Overall, emerge beats apt/yum/urpmi and all the other installation tools hands down. Not to start a flame war, but to explain: All I had to do was: emerge gforge and it was installed. Then I got into the setup, and here's some points: 1) gforge is not a cohesive program, as much as it is multiple (5-6) different programs loosly glued together. 2) Documentation is OK, but setup was extensive and very detailed. It was not a simple process at all. After a couple of days, I gave up. Folks, I don't give up easily. Let's rephrase that as a time/benefit analysis was done (in my head) and I decided to punt. Surprisingly, there are not many "forges" out there. However, you may be seeing more and more of Novell forge, which is based on myXoopsForge. It had all the elements I was looking for: MySQL compatible, relatively easy to install, etc. FWIW! Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, >I know you have your reasons, >your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) > >/sak > >On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > > >>Everybody's a critic... :-D >> >>gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much >>easier and quicker to set up. >> >>Mike >> >>Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >> >> >> >>>mike, >>> >>>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>>for the vtigerforge... >>> >>>cheers, >>>/sak >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 23 18:19:27 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: Mike, I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5bce46a/attachment.html From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 18:43:38 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:43:38 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D56A2A.5060509@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I really didn't take it as "coming down on me". Since the Panthers got creamed by Seattle last night, it's easy to be an arm-chair quarterback. I really wanted to nip the Why not gForge in the bud. Further, this forge is far from perfect. I've already invested a boat-load of time, and can see investing even more to get it solid. What I really need is volunteers willing to share this burden. I'm seeing in every project I do: The first 90% takes 10% of the time. That last 10% is what kills you, and that's the part that I'm asking for help on now. I'll give you a for-instance: I created a project called vtigerforge where we can enter bugs with the site and put in feature requests. The damn trackers aren't working. I'm in a ssh shell now trying to figure out why the SQL statements don't work. Those are the types of things I wish I had backup on. :-[ No worries, though. No hurt feelings on my side. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: >Mike, > >I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. > >Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. > >Best Regards, > >- Joel > >________________________________ > >From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe >Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM >To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > > >Joel, > >I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I >absolutely want you playing with the system. > >Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't >configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. > >Mike > > >Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > >>Mike, >> >>I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused >>platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into >>new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). >> >>In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an >>account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. >> >>Regards, >> >>- Joel >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>*From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of >>Sergio A. Kessler >>*Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM >>*To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>*Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge >> >>mike, >> >>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>for the vtigerforge... >> >>cheers, >>/sak >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 19:32:49 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Site features/bugs section Message-ID: <43D575B1.2060106@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, I've started a Features request section of vtigerforge. URL is: Enhancement Requests It is now on the left menu below the main menu. Please add, *or volunteer* to help with these items. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f77f8d5a/attachment-0002.html From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Tue Jan 24 10:56:26 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Where does the date entry field on Quotes live? Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F7@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> One of those things that *should* be easy, but is proving to be a serious PITA... I have an open ticket that the Expiration Date on a New Quote be set to "current date + 30 days", instead of "current date" as it is now. This should just be a case of finding the assignment of the default value to the current date, and doing a dateAdd of +30days to it. 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URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060124/aab22588/attachment.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 04:52:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> hi all, i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >question. > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >switch to svn. > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > and probably some guidelines. thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go back definitively from novell forge choice ? cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 07:07:30 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:07:30 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> hi fathi, vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare time) so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a solid help proposal... are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger ? just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >question. > > > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >switch to svn. > > > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > > and probably some guidelines. > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 09:17:47 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > time) like all of us. > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want a constructive discussion. we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we go, communicate. > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > solid help proposal... > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > ? i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", you have it. > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... you probably misunderstand my message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) so here is the consensus : first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the amount of projects to be hosted. waiting for your answers :) another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. second, a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop novellforge like this. the roadmap : 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge 2) setup gforge on local test platform 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:23:06 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:23:06 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) I also agree with the subversion idea... > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? interesting question... ;-) I don't know if the current status of the system (vtiger) warrant a forge, but some people wanted it... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > > > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > > time) > > like all of us. > > > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... > > i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want > a constructive discussion. > > we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. > ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. > We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we > go, communicate. > > > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > > solid help proposal... > > > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > > ? > > i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a > possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? > > if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. > if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", > you have it. > > > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... > > you probably misunderstand my message. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) > so here is the consensus : > > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need > a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the > amount of projects to be hosted. > > waiting for your answers :) > > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. > > second, > > a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. > b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop > novellforge like this. > > the roadmap : > 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge > 2) setup gforge on local test platform > 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting > > if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 15:31:00 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:31:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:51:10 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:51:10 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 01:38:24 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:38:24 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Hello Team! Good to know that we have an active discussion on here. Mike and myself had discussed using gforge and it is a beast to work with. As we are all working on this together, Mike has volunteered to get the forge running. The easiest to get to work was the current one he is using. Having said that, we had also asked for earlier suggestions for forge but we did not get many easy to use systems. Mike, on his own initiative found out the current solution and has done admirably till now. I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why not proceed with it? Fahi, I do understand your point and Sak was just pointing out the facts that had occured before you joined the list. We are in this together and there is no sole ownership. We just chip in whatever we can, whenever we can. Mike has high regards for everyone over here and we actively look forward to help Mike out with the cvs/svn. Mike has a free hand there. Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to keep us guys updated. So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! In Mike +! Richie ----sergiokessler at gmail.com wrote ---- does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060126/33043567/attachment-0002.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:33:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D9401B.8090400@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) > not for the moment, but it's noted :) thanks From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:47:35 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:35 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <43D94377.6010007@free.fr> Joe Stewart a ?crit : > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > i'm a debian user/maintainer, my local test platform are sarge and sid. christian bayle have pre packaged current gforge. i have contact with roland mas, the current maintainer and already installed gforge in the past. i'm totally agree with you about "gforge scales for future needs". we are all convinced that gforge is a more powerfull solution than novell forge From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:51:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D94461.1030607@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > no, ldap isn't an absolute requirement. we can use gforge without it. in 3.x series, authentification was in ldap. but now, in 4.x series, authentification can be in postgresql. From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 19:31:14 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built to use ldap. the setup asks the questions to setup slapd. You shouldn't have to mess with it. Joe > /sak > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Thu Jan 26 17:18:06 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] [Re: vtigerforge] Message-ID: <43D94A9E.4070109@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, You're killing me! Everybody's missing the point on this. Gforge installed easily. I thought I could emerge it and set it up quick. Configuring for what we need was difficult for someone with no gforge experience. I'm sure the debian package installs easily. Gentoo installs gforge easy. As I said before, I'm not a n00n at this. Fathi says he will need 1-2 weeks to set gforge up. That's how it always is. Matching themes, making the instruction pages reference the correct project pages, etc. Nobody here is thinking about that last 5% which takes the most time. I set up owl to try and get the community started. I created VIP as a way we could distribute mods. Fathi did the right thing. He has offered his time to set up gforge. I welcome it, despite my time invested in the current product. Gforge is better. Please, help is make vtiger better. Donate time. Donate software. Open source will only survive is we all pitch in. I'm not upset with wanting a better forge. But please, don't spent time like this wishing I'd given my 2-3 weeks of free evening time to something nobody else has stepped up to do. My blogs are trying to teach things I have learned. Contribute! Community! That's who we need to be. Joe, just cause you were the straw, I'm not directing this at you. I'm not mad. I want more of these great ideas implemented. I've learned that I had to step up for results here. Let's all do that. :D Flame on! :) Mike ( boy have I had a pissy day ) Crowe ------Original Message------ From: Joe Stewart Sender: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ReplyTo: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Sent: Jan 26, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Mike Crowe Sr. Field Sales Engineer ELCOM 3030 Naomi Dr. Clover, SC 29710 Phone: (803) 831-9050 Fax: (704) 973-7910 mike.crowe at elcomsales.com http://www.elcomsales.com/ ( note new email address ) From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 03:13:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:13:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <200601270913.16232.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 01:31, Joe Stewart a ?crit : > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There > were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install > time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built > to use ldap. not in 4.5.3 last unofficial debian release. cheers, fathi From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 03:35:21 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:35:21 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always > move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. > > I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their > hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. > > Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make > do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a > different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed > a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why > not proceed with it? > > Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to > keep us guys updated. > > So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! hi, you seems to have missed this thread : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html and what i don't have is : > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this (mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your feelings ? In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue with current forge. cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 03:41:17 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 03:53:14 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:53:14 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090b10f4ff.5697312263588696717.-5855809778261626224@@vtiger.com> Hi Team! Whatever is convenient is ok. Mike just pmed me and said he was okay with working with Fathi on the gforge. I did go through the thread Fathi, thank you though.Fathi, I just feel that we should always consider the person who has put in his heart out on something and it is not right to just brush it off without having a good fight on it. But, as I said, if Mike is okay, then all is fine. If the only drawback is lack of postgres on the forge machine, go ahead and install it. If that is an issue, let me know and I will try and have it installed from here itself. I agree Fathi we have more options now. If Mike and team feel it is good to have gforge with cvs/svn after dropping the current setup, then please do feel free. Mike, Fathi if there be any more queries, you can reach me by phone. Richie ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there still significant activity on this project ? so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? the questions were already asked : cycle release ? naming scheme ? cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 09:11:22 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:11:22 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 09:54:46 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:54:46 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Hello, I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by tomorrow. Thanks, Gopal ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060127/a4bb3f78/attachment-0002.html From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 09:59:43 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43DA355F.1080606@vtigercrmfrance.org> This is a very good news gopal. Gopal a ?crit : > Hello, > > I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by > tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Gopal > > > > > ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- > > I agree, > lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also > roadmap to know the future.... > > Fathi Boudra a ?crit : > > >hi all, > > > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > > > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks > nice, but my > >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only > ran to July > >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? > >> > >> > > > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. > >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > > > >the questions were already asked : > >cycle release ? > >naming scheme ? > > > >cheers, > > > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Fri Jan 27 16:24:54 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:24:54 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Plans for future stable 4.2.x releases? Message-ID: <43DA8FA6.9070805@mikefedyk.com> Hi, For the last few days I have been going through the forums looking for fixes to little problems that look interesting and several qualify for integration into the stable release IMO. The "single quote in description removes lead during conversion" bug is also a show stopper. I know most of the resources are being put into the next major release right now, but I think the 4.2.x tree needs a few more bug fix releases. Is there anyone willing to work with me on maintaining the 4.2.x tree or at least review the bug fixes that I gather together so a new bug fix release can be made? Mike (There always has to be at least one Mike) Fedyk From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 27 21:49:23 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <1138416563.20472.25.camel@ubuntu> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 14:14:37 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> This email is sent from the new webmail interface... Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. Matt In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/0fa1489f/attachment.html From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Mon Jan 30 16:29:53 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE8551.7060502@mikefedyk.com> There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 16:43:26 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: The only HTML I saw was nbsp; so I took that and a few of the other similar ones out. Let me know if that helps. Matt In reply to the message sent by Mike Fedyk < mfedyk at mikefedyk.com > on Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800: There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap? Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/93a626fc/attachment-0002.html From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 30 17:24:53 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE9235.7070907@zertis.net> Looks Great to me in Thunderbird. Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As already said in this post : http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=4607 there's some changes to do : - rename vtiger_crm directory in vtiger-crm - replace "_" by "-" - keep source directory with version (vtiger-crm-4.2.3) - provide tarball archive - provide default parameters in configuration file config.php - hostname auto detectection doesn't work with ipv6 - remove executable flag from files - merge LICENSE and LICENSE_AGGREEMENT to single copyright file Don't know if it's done but for the last point, who's in charge of legal stuff ? ATM the debian copyright file is : -BEGIN---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was downloaded from http://www.vtiger.com Copyright Holder: (c) 2003-2005 vtiger.com License: * Mozilla Public License version 1.1 The MPL can be found at http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ * GNU Public license (GPL) On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' vtiger crm consists of the following components: * Apache software (Apache License) * MySQL server (GPL) * PHP (PHP License 3.0) * SugarCRM (SPL 1.1.2) * phpBB (GPL) * TUTOS (GPL) * phpSysinfo (GPL) * PHPMailer (LGPL) * lastRSS (GPL) * gdwin32 (GPL) * nusoap (LGPL) * ADOdb (BSD license) * FCKeditor (LGPL) * Squirrel Mail (GPL) * Mailfeed (GPL) each one copyrighted under their respective licenses. The complete text concerning the licenses can be found within the package : * Copyright.txt * LICENSE_AGREEMENT.txt * LICENSE.txt -END---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're looking vtiger crm story. cheers, Fathi PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a first use. From kiange at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 15:21:46 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:21:46 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > looking vtiger crm story. > > cheers, > > Fathi I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think vtiger crm must be released under GPL. MPL allows you to modify the license as you wish, LGPL allows you to use the software which released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should release your software under GPL. > > PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a > first use. Great news. :) -- Finjon Kiang From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 16:29:59 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Fathi Boudra wrote: >taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >looking vtiger crm story. > > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but not in the source archive. From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 16:42:23 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Finjon Kiang wrote: >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >>looking vtiger crm story. >> >>cheers, >> >>Fathi >> >> > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php source files. >MPL allows you to modify the >license as you wish, > No. The MPL defines the distinction between license boundaries at the file level. If you want to introduce another license into a MPL licensed project it needs to be in a separate file. >LGPL allows you to use the software which >released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. >But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should >release your software under GPL. > That is not a black and white requirement of the GPL. There are many ways GPL code can be brought into a non-GPL project if the interactions with the GPL code are done in certain ways. I am not claiming that his has been done with vtiger though. I'm not familiar with the code base enough yet. Mike From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Tue Jan 31 18:07:07 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <1138748827.20220.89.camel@ubuntu> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 13:42 -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Finjon Kiang wrote: > > >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > > > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > >>looking vtiger crm story. > >> > >>cheers, > >> > >>Fathi > >> > >> > > > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think > >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > > > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The > GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary > distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the > compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not > being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php > source files. > Taken from the FSF License FAQ "Licenses NOT Compatible with the GPL" section: Mozilla Public License (MPL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; unlike the X11 license, it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. That is, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the MPL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the MPL for this reason. However, MPL 1.1 has a provision (section 13) that allows a program (or parts of it) to offer a choice of another license as well. If part of a program allows the GNU GPL as an alternate choice, or any other GPL-compatible license as an alternate choice, that part of the program has a GPL-compatible license. Section 13 of the VPL: 13. MULTIPLE-LICENSED CODE. Initial Developer may designate portions of the Covered Code as "Multiple-Licensed". "Multiple-Licensed" means that the Initial Developer permits you to utilize portions of the Covered Code under Your choice of the SPL or the alternative licenses, if any, specified by the Initial Developer in the file described in Exhibit A.This software is Copyright vtiger and Contributors. All rights reserved. This license has been certified as open source. We couldn't put the whole project under GPL even if all the current developers agreed because we don't have any copyrights on the original SPL code it was born from. Rather, we would have to rip out any GPL code since we don't have rights to change the underlying license. Anyways, the version of the MPL that the SPL/VPL are based off of should be fully compatible and allow mixing of code with different licenses. IANAL and such :). Matt From fboudra at free.fr Tue Jan 31 21:26:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi BOUDRA) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 02:26:29 +0000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <200602010226.29293.fboudra@free.fr> Talking about vtiger crm 5.x licence, as i understand, it will be released under a LGPL license. > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but > not in the source archive. which binary version of vtiger ? vtiger isn't a binary apps (as you said no comipilation, no linking), it's sources only. when you distribute an open source software, you provide a copyright file that talk about his licensing. There's no direct link between your software and how you package/bundle it. legaly, you need to provide respective licenses of software that you use. In all cases, apache or mysql aren't components of vtiger crm, just components of the easy setup for windows that we provide. Finally, what we need to know about current vtiger crm (and probably next), is what portion of code aren't contribution. who is original author and what license was used in his code. vtiger code and contributions from people to vtiger seems dual-licensed. is it legal ? is MPL compatible with some GPL portion ? i know, this is just an interpretation, but this is the lawyers way, and they play wiith words. cheers, Fathi PS: just a small note about MPL, according to some debian legal people MPL is a non-free license, so SPL and VPL as well. From richie at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 00:28:29 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] upgrade to latest mysql Message-ID: <108ada30884.3782719508554343347.-7731005037422626773@@vtiger.com> During security implementation, we realised that with the current mysql version, we will be taking a sizeable performance hit. We do not have any numbers as such but we think it will be better to move to the latest version of mysql say we support mysql 4.1.x to the latest version. This will involve quite some code changes so that the queries work with all the versions of mysql. I am looking for any easy upgrade path. Any suggestions on this are welcome. Richie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm Module: vtiger_crm tags found from at SourceForge: Branches VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH VTIGER MAIN Non-branch tags VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD ...lots of tags with date string And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could found the daily build packages?? -- Finjon Kiang From richie at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 02:16:28 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:16:28 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support Message-ID: <108ae05e4f9.2156783245219552580.-3325471538301114646@@vtiger.com> Hello! Came across this article on PostGres movement. Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060108/097bb7fd/attachment-0003.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 03:43:34 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:43:34 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 05:20:11 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: <108aeae1824.957038252233567205.1145381114453612729@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for updating the Traditional Chinese language pack. Could you please post the updated version in Language Packs forum in vtiger Discussions? http://forums.vtiger.com/viewforum.php?f=16 Regards, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:18:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> References: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 07:20:32 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:20:32 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] reply-to Message-ID: <49216030601090420x459630c8l1b397cfb46e45769@mail.gmail.com> richie, can you setup the reply-to of the mailing list to vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ?? so, automatically when someone hit reply, the reply go to the mailing list instead on the individual poster... /sak From vtiger at timandjulie.com Mon Jan 9 11:10:25 2006 From: vtiger at timandjulie.com (Tim Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:10:25 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor specific issues. For example: Select a, b + c from tablex Would become: Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would determine the target database and replace macros before executing. Using these macros, we handled differences in: * String concatenation * Date comparison * Case sensitivity in queries * Joins In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros dealt with all differences. Regards, Tim Onweald, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM To: Richie Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Mon Jan 9 13:09:20 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PATCH: Fix hidden attachment size limit bug Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F4@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> 2 files need to be patched. 1) Patch index.php as follows; the file should end like this: ------------------------------------------- echo "
"; // Under the Sugar Public License referenced above, you are required to leave in all copyright statements in both // the code and end-user application. //echo("
© 2004 SugarCRM Inc. All Rights Reserved.
"); if($calculate_response_time) { $endTime = microtime(); $deltaTime = microtime_diff($startTime, $endTime); echo(' Server response time: '.$deltaTime.' seconds.'); } echo "
\n"; } echo "\n"; } ------------------------------------------- The change is in the last few lines; this puts the assignment of userDateFormat inside the check for viewing an attachment or not, and does so in (I think) a nicer format. 2) Change line 99 of startVtiger.sh to: ------------------ ./bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=$MYSQL_HOME --datadir=$MYSQL_HOME/data --socket=$mysql_socket --tmpdir=$MYSQL_HOME/tmp --user=root --port=$mysql_port --max_allowed_packet=16M --default-table-type=INNODB > /dev/null & ------------------ The change is the addition of -max_allowed_packet=16M Eventually, we're going to have to start distributing proper unix diff patches for this stuff; it makes life MUCH easier. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060109/2e9199e0/attachment-0003.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 01:29:44 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:29:44 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> References: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> Message-ID: <3bec26390601092229m5c6b1e4fn4fac34ef9e380319@mail.gmail.com> I think most people have the right idea here, we don't want to support mysql 4.1 or 5.0 or postgres or any other database. Just like writing w3c complaint html we want to write SQL (probably 92) compliant statements and then add any vendor specific hacks as they are needed. As mentioned I don't think those libraries are what we want (that would just add one database to the list of supported dbs), using adodb is a good start, but if the SQL needs to be standard as well. What does that mean to mysql programs? Basically just don't do anything on this (http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html) list, and we are doing a lot of that right now. On 1/9/06, Tim Smith wrote: > In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL > across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor > specific issues. > > For example: > Select a, b + c from tablex > Would become: > Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex > > {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. > (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would > determine the target database and replace macros before executing. > > Using these macros, we handled differences in: > * String concatenation > * Date comparison > * Case sensitivity in queries > * Joins > > In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug > work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros > dealt with all differences. > > Regards, > Tim > > Onweald, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Sergio A. Kessler > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM > To: Richie > Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support > > yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, > it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... > > and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less > porting work is needed... > > /sak > > On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 17:43:01 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:43:01 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Sat Jan 14 13:25:48 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C9422C.6090508@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Sun Jan 15 21:29:00 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:29:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what the discussion boards used to be. Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? - Joel (aka jrydbeck) -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Mike Crowe Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From allan.bush at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 21:56:23 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:56:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601151856g75c221c8rd890ab4b83304af2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I'm here On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 14:45:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:45:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> almost nobody know there are mailing lists... AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... /sak On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 15:15:57 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:15:57 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 16 16:43:46 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:43:46 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Richie, I thought you guys were freezing the forum --which would force discussion to move here. Right now its even more work to monitor both. - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Finjon Kiang Sent: Mon 1/16/2006 2:45 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060116/55a31b56/attachment-0001.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 17:22:15 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:22:15 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601161422l6588eb49ib8f5a2c51d41d53d@mail.gmail.com> yes please, richie, can you set the reply-to of the mailing list to "vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com" ? /sak On 1/16/06, Finjon Kiang wrote: > Most people like using forum. :) > > Anyway, I'm here. > > * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? > > -- > Finjon Kiang > > On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > > > /sak > > > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > > Mike Crowe > > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > > > >/sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 15:55:46 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:46 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] getText implementation Message-ID: <49216030601171255jde5255chd0c42c04eb363745@mail.gmail.com> mike, sorry to bother, but richie is asking you (in the forums): "Mike, is your alternate getText solution stable for integration into the core please? Richie" I guess you can reply here... regards, /sak pd: richie, are you on this list ?? From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 16:29:00 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:29:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] CSS bar graph Message-ID: <49216030601171329q5a535d3ep54caebe82e53dac@mail.gmail.com> hey, maybe we can use CSS for the graphics... check the 'Vertical CSS Bar Graph' at http://apples-to-oranges.com/blog/article.aspx?id=55 /sak From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 10:24:54 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Urk, I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing a Quote. Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields - DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS - that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote is GET, not POST - meaning that all the data filled in in these two text fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) fails quietly - no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and everything works as normal. This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc as one giant tarball. Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the consequences of doing this? Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper for us. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060118/fc653e77/attachment-0003.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 11:30:39 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180830v6efc2d4dh7221acbecacbb491@mail.gmail.com> You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them are, the quote's one must have been over looked). The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from "get" to "post" (~line 39). On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 12:14:56 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> > Allan Bush wrote: > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > "get" to "post" (~line 39). Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? While we're at it: [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * Calendar/calendar_month.php: Calendar/calendar_week.php: Calendar/calendar_day.php: Home/index.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Orders/EditView.html: Should any of these get changed too? DG From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:57:40 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:57:40 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180957w354e675fn4a2ea9bbb9360bc@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > Allan Bush wrote: > > > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > > > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > > "get" to "post" (~line 39). > > Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. > > Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? > > While we're at it: > > [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * > Calendar/calendar_month.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_week.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_day.php: action="index.php"> > Home/index.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="export.php"> > Orders/EditView.html: action="index.php"> > > Should any of these get changed too? > > DG > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > The Orders one should probably be changed as well. The next release uses a very different approach for all these EditView.html files (they've been removed) which should help and reduce code repetition errors such as this. (sorry for sending this twice Dennis, they really need to fix the reply-to of this list) From sergiokessler at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 13:06:41 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:06:41 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <49216030601181006u4fbffc72k48c80400fc45195e@mail.gmail.com> according to the http standard: - all things that modify information (insert, update) should be made with POST, not with GET. - all things that do NOT modify information (select, view), should be made with GET. to solve the problem that some variables can be seen in the url bar (and you do not like that), I just simply encrypt and base64'd all the params... so you see a lot of garbage in the url /sak On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From allan.bush at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:50:07 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:50:07 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostgreSQL integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601180950o771c8aa4h5371ddcbd298dffd@mail.gmail.com> Joel, Hope you don't mind if I send this conversation through the mailing list, I think it helps to encourage more input. I sent richie the changes required to get the installation process working for postgres, however I haven't seen them integrated into the CVS HEAD yet, I'm not sure what the status is on this happening. The rest of the work required should be fairly simple, the code base has quited down some what but I think we should wait until a feature complete beta release at least until starting (especially if it's going to take this long for changes to be ported). If mysql 5.0 (in strict mode) is going to be supported then pretty much all the changes needed for postgres will be: adding "AS" to all aliases and using ilike for case-insensitive comparisons, both of which can be accomplished by a regular expression (hopefully). On 1/18/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Allan, > > I trust all is well with you. Any word yet from Richie on whether they > pulled your changes into 5.0? I've put my users on 4.2 and will likely stay > there until Postgres support is GA. > > - Joel From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 11:34:53 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:04:53 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI Message-ID: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the UI will evolve. thanks, Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vtCalendarAct2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73622 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment-0001.jpg From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 15:44:33 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <994473020601191244i6fcd7016i6cf9cf0e94c703f6@mail.gmail.com> I think this is a nice look/layout. I also like the fact that you can chose to view ALL, or just Calls, or just Meetings, or just To Do's. This will help someone like myself that has a lot of To Do's and Calls, I will be able to sort through them without looking at meetings and such. Great Job! Jamie On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com < vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com> wrote: > > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/61e17d31/attachment-0001.html From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 15:46:34 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:46:34 +1000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <43CFFAAA.8060409@saucesoft.com> Who is the owner of the calendar features for V5? We've got WebCalendar and VTiger in our enviornment, and we're trying to answer the integrate vs interface question. Reason: shared calendar views, check availability, etc. vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the > UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and > also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The > Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and > Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, > where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger > language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to > add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 16:18:02 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:18:02 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191318l7c5d0a28jd4756db255e3afa4@mail.gmail.com> all I can say is "wow !" saint, you rock my world ! /sak On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 16:20:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:20:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup Message-ID: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:56:59 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:58:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191458m16a45bcev47c81c4b9de9adfb@mail.gmail.com> Shut up fag On 1/19/06, Allan Bush wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:59:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191459l5be9ab72t1443bc77f64f2830@mail.gmail.com> jeje, yeah ! On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 00:30:00 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:30:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] test mail ignore please Message-ID: <108e64a5cdd.-3250335098778029299.7469722359878652479@@vtiger.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/4b8a434a/attachment-0003.html From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 00:33:55 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:33:55 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <108e64df7c4.-4412754091821777314.-6590670886335450492@@vtiger.com> Hi sak! I hope I got it right now! Please confirm. Richie ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/1367b5e9/attachment-0001.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 06:51:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:51:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601200351m5ab12a4cg6c5af494d77905fc@mail.gmail.com> hi richie, yup, I think you got it right this time ! ;-) cheers, /sak On 1/20/06, Richie wrote: > Hi sak! > > I hope I got it right now! > Please confirm. > > Richie > > > > ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- > > > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From developer at infointegrated.com Fri Jan 20 08:51:16 2006 From: developer at infointegrated.com (Brian Devendorf) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:51:16 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <55DA45FC-9116-408C-BD6B-7B8E860D4DE5@infointegrated.com> Saint, The changes being done to the theme are amazing. Looking at the latest modifications, I understand the grouping of the Activities and Calendar, but was wondering what the added benefit was. It makes sense to group them together, but I don't see any other advantages. It looks like it would always require two clicks to get to the activities display. I love the new activities view, with this view, should it just replace the To Do sub-menu under My Home? Or, should there be a Calls, Meetings, and ToDo item? They would all go to the same display window with a different Showing: criteria selected. Your thoughts? Thanks, Brian On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:34 AM, vtigercrm- developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for > the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme > color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image > attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my > view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities > is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings > and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. > It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, > Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Matt From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Fri Jan 20 12:29:31 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:31 +0000 GMT Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Matthew, Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Brichacek Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 To:Vtiger Devel List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into this when I try to access the CVS area: Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 20 12:37:46 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1137778667.16376.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> No worries, I'll just keep working on the project admin stuff for now. New forge looks good BTW. Matt On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 17:29 +0000, Mike Crowe wrote: > Matthew, > Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. > Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Brichacek > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 > To:Vtiger Devel List > Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge > > I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into > this when I try to access the CVS area: > Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error > > Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From kiange at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 15:51:48 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:51:48 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems Message-ID: I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 23:06:49 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:06:49 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108eb249690.5336529970365320349.977843371556770271@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for notifying the error in latest download links. I have fixed the links. Our team will look into the other issue that you have mentioned. Thanks, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please reply to my address in addition to the list since I'm not subscribed to the list. Mike From rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com Sat Jan 21 08:48:06 2006 From: rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com (Rajesh Sundaram K) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:18:06 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D23B96.4000709@adventnet.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0003.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0003.jpe From saint at vtiger.com Sat Jan 21 07:56:13 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (saint) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:26:13 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0003.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cardsorting.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0001.jpg From jlee at zertis.net Sat Jan 21 10:51:54 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:51:54 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you > would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting > method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to > have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. > > *What you need to do? > *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a > coke and do this sorting method. > > > *What is this Card sorting method?* > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and > group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card > with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you > have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under > each group. > > *What will you get in return?* > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > *What will we do with this data? > *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > *vtiger Modules > * > > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > * > * > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From saint at vtiger.com Sun Jan 22 06:49:33 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:19:33 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Message-ID: <43D3714D.2050300@vtiger.com> Yes, you can put the same card in two groups ! Josh Lee wrote: >Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? > >saint wrote: > > > >>Team, >> >>We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you >>would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting >>method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to >>have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. >> >>*What you need to do? >>*Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a >>coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >>*What is this Card sorting method?* >>Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >>According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >>paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >>image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >>group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes >>and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be >>grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module >>needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card >>with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you >>have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under >>each group. >> >>*What will you get in return?* >>The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >>vtiger About page. :-) >> >>*What will we do with this data? >>*With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >>grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >>*vtiger Modules >>* >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >>If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >>Have a great Weekend! >> >>- Saint >> >> >> >> >>* >>* >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). Notes: Should support categories including personal notes for each individual on the system. Tabs: Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". Home: The items that appear on the default page should be configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, but should be a future feature. Overall GUI: The system already is designed with two levels of menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. Initial results from Card Sort: My initial results had many items under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area along the left column which is always visible with My Home items. As these are likely the most frequently used by users. The My Home area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, Inventory, and Settings (for admin). Sales: Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, Invoice Support: Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email Marketing: Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email Reports: Dashboard, Reports Inventory: Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the My Home items to make them more easily identifiable. ? On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that > you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card- > Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users > wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes > for this. > > What you need to do? > Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab > a coke and do this sorting method. > > > What is this Card sorting method? > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/ > sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new > card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure > that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and > modules under each group. > > What will you get in return? > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > What will we do with this data? > With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > vtiger Modules > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and > sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The easiest way to achieve this of course, is to add all modules to all tabs and have an admin console that allows for modules to be turned off within a specific tab.... but that's for further debate. One of the problems with any solution, is that different markets, different types of companies and (even) different countries, mean that our clients have a very mixed set of requirements and one of the benefits of having all of the modules as Tabs, gives a level of flexibility that can work for most people.... therefore any loss of this flexibility is going to be a backwards step. We have over 150 CRM installs of different systems, some of these vTiger specific, most of these our legacy CRM solutions, and one thing that stands out is that 80% of the solution is the same as the next guy, and 20% is 'configured/bespoke/customised'. The problem is the 20% can often be different. My example is simple : Some of our clients are not big enough to understand the difference between Marketing and Sales, particularly if there are only two sales people and they handle all of the lead generation themselves (therefore they are Marketing and Sales). In this scenario they would want to be able have a single tab - Sales - that has Leads, Opportunities and their sales orders (plus the obvious other modules).. rather than these modules appearing in different places..... What this means is that we need the ability to configure the tabs, to show whatever modules are required... but if I was pushed, I would want the option to be able to display (or NOT) any of the following, under their tabs... By the way ... The idea of making changes to the Activity screens, as Brian suggested is a great idea and probably should not be overlooked, as it will bring added functionality to the application. We feel that an add on module similar to My Home is a must have and have developed a desktop tool bar that offers this functionality which has been commercially available for a while, although on our legacy systems. It is called ViewPoint and we have been using this self authored .NET application on all of our systems, to help productivity... so we agree that something along the My Home idea may be very useful.. Anyway.. here goes... One fundamental difference in what we have seen and what we would like (utopia here we come) is the addition of a TAB for Admin or Tracking.... this is because we (and other clients) as a company, need an administrative function to track our sales orders, Purchase orders, quotes, Invoices, Global Activities, Vendor activity and others... so we feel there should be some suitable named TAB that allows for this sort of information to be tracked. This is quite important for us, as our clients will have a sales cycle that is inclusive of the sales personnel and then the tracking or processing will be handled by someone in ADMIN, especially if sales people are 'on the road' a lot. Just a thought. Sales : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Sales Orders, Price Books, Dashboard, Notes, Products. Support : Accounts, Contacts, Helpdesk, **contracts**, FAQ, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard (support focus) and Notes. Marketing : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard, Notes Tracking : Sales Orders, Purchase orders, Quotes, Opportunities, **documentation**, Activities, Vendors, Invoices. Other tabs... agree in principle as they stand. So in summary... what is different in this proposal.... 1. Allow all modules to be available from all tabs and give a console to turn on and off 2. Add new TAB that allows for the Non sales or Non Support personnel - tracking from an admin person, who is responsible for just doing this work. 3. Consider Contracts for support 4. Consider how we will handle documentation that may need tracking... terms and conditions (bespoke document) that has a deadline or dependency for other triggers and workflow in the system. 5. Agree with Brian's view that some form of Desktop menu/side bar/ toolbar is a good idea, especially if this is configurable.. Enough for now.. if you managed to digest and read this far.. I hope it makes some sense... because this is so important to us all, thank you for letting us comment. It probably goes without saying, that if any of these diatribes produce any work that we can assist with... please let me know... I am happy (as always) to dedicate whatever resources we can to our common goal. Regards Graham Graham Anderson Managing Director Software Add-ons t. +44 (0)8452 303083 e. grahama at add-ons.co.uk ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of saint Sent: 21 January 2006 12:56 To: Developers List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. What you need to do? Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. What is this Card sorting method? Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. What will you get in return? The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) What will we do with this data? With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. vtiger Modules Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5e98f0d/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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MikeF From saint at vtiger.com Mon Jan 23 04:22:48 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:48 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D4A068.1030607@vtiger.com> Brian, Thanks for your time and effort. That's an excellent observation. Great work! Team, The results of one card-sort test is available now. Let's see what others think of an ideal CRM application's tab structure and suggestions. Send in the results of your card-sort test. Your inputs will definitely make v5 a great product to use. :-) cheers, Saint Brian Devendorf wrote: > I took this concept and decided to design my ideal CRM application. A > couple of ideas for existing modules first: > *Mail: *Currently, Webmail is personal mail, and Mail is CRM mail. CRM > mail should support two separate mail accounts: sales & support. These > accounts would be setup separately and viewed separately. Email should > be the current webmail with send functionality very similar to the > current implementation. > *Contacts:* There should be filtering support based on a few criteria. > Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the > individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). > *Notes:* Should support categories including personal notes for each > individual on the system. > *Tabs: *Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under > which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". > *Home:* The items that appear on the default page should be > configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, > but should be a future feature. > *Overall GUI:* The system already is designed with two levels of > menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any > additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, > or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. > > *Initial results from Card Sort: *My initial results had many items > under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After > thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I > thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area > along the left column which is always visible with *My Home* items. As > these are likely the most frequently used by users. > > The *My Home* area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, > Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. > The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, > Inventory, and Settings (for admin). > *Sales: *Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, > Invoice > *Support:* Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email > *Marketing:* Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email > *Reports: *Dashboard, Reports > *Inventory: *Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order > > In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could > easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, > it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to > associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under > Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the *My > Home* items to make them more easily identifiable. > > > > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > >> Team, >> >> We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that >> you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the >> Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most >> users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few >> minutes for this. >> >> *What you need to do? >> *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab >> a coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >> *What is this Card sorting method?* >> Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >> >> According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >> paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >> image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >> group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, >> Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ >> can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular >> module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a >> new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure >> that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and >> modules under each group. >> >> *What will you get in return?* >> The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >> vtiger About page. :-) >> >> *What will we do with this data? >> *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >> grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >> *vtiger Modules >> * >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >> If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >> Have a great Weekend! >> >> - Saint >> >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gforge appears to be a much more focused platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge mike, I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ for the vtigerforge... cheers, /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f29515df/attachment-0001.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 16:05:04 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:05:04 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think gforge is much more stable than xoopsforge. I used to be a user for both system. But gforge needs lots of technical skills to implement. -- Finjon Kiang On 1/24/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:19:26 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Everybody's a critic... :-D gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much easier and quicker to set up. Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >for the vtigerforge... > >cheers, >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 23 16:46:23 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54EAF.4020601@zertis.net> I just switch to Subversion from cvs. WOW! I use TortoiseSVN on my windows box, just WOW! I will never again use cvs. Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:32:17 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54B61.8090909@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 16:49:03 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:49:03 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Message-ID: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, I know you have your reasons, your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) /sak On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > Everybody's a critic... :-D > > gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much > easier and quicker to set up. > > Mike > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike, > > > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > >for the vtigerforge... > > > >cheers, > >/sak > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 17:30:08 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Why not gforge (for the record!) In-Reply-To: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D558F0.5040908@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Sergio, I didn't take it wrong. I knew how you meant it! :D OK, I do want to address the "Why not gForge!" question. First off, as most of us are part-timers on this project, or the time we offer is. Second, being the geek I am, I install stuff like this just to learn how to do these things. My home server was a test bed, and it is Gentoo based. My laptop is Ubuntu, kids machines are Mepis, and I've done the Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva thing. Overall, emerge beats apt/yum/urpmi and all the other installation tools hands down. Not to start a flame war, but to explain: All I had to do was: emerge gforge and it was installed. Then I got into the setup, and here's some points: 1) gforge is not a cohesive program, as much as it is multiple (5-6) different programs loosly glued together. 2) Documentation is OK, but setup was extensive and very detailed. It was not a simple process at all. After a couple of days, I gave up. Folks, I don't give up easily. Let's rephrase that as a time/benefit analysis was done (in my head) and I decided to punt. Surprisingly, there are not many "forges" out there. However, you may be seeing more and more of Novell forge, which is based on myXoopsForge. It had all the elements I was looking for: MySQL compatible, relatively easy to install, etc. FWIW! Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, >I know you have your reasons, >your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) > >/sak > >On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > > >>Everybody's a critic... :-D >> >>gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much >>easier and quicker to set up. >> >>Mike >> >>Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >> >> >> >>>mike, >>> >>>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>>for the vtigerforge... >>> >>>cheers, >>>/sak >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 23 18:19:27 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: Mike, I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5bce46a/attachment-0001.html From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 18:43:38 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:43:38 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D56A2A.5060509@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I really didn't take it as "coming down on me". Since the Panthers got creamed by Seattle last night, it's easy to be an arm-chair quarterback. I really wanted to nip the Why not gForge in the bud. Further, this forge is far from perfect. I've already invested a boat-load of time, and can see investing even more to get it solid. What I really need is volunteers willing to share this burden. I'm seeing in every project I do: The first 90% takes 10% of the time. That last 10% is what kills you, and that's the part that I'm asking for help on now. I'll give you a for-instance: I created a project called vtigerforge where we can enter bugs with the site and put in feature requests. The damn trackers aren't working. I'm in a ssh shell now trying to figure out why the SQL statements don't work. Those are the types of things I wish I had backup on. :-[ No worries, though. No hurt feelings on my side. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: >Mike, > >I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. > >Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. > >Best Regards, > >- Joel > >________________________________ > >From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe >Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM >To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > > >Joel, > >I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I >absolutely want you playing with the system. > >Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't >configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. > >Mike > > >Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > >>Mike, >> >>I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused >>platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into >>new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). >> >>In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an >>account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. >> >>Regards, >> >>- Joel >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>*From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of >>Sergio A. Kessler >>*Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM >>*To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>*Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge >> >>mike, >> >>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>for the vtigerforge... >> >>cheers, >>/sak >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 19:32:49 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Site features/bugs section Message-ID: <43D575B1.2060106@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, I've started a Features request section of vtigerforge. URL is: Enhancement Requests It is now on the left menu below the main menu. Please add, *or volunteer* to help with these items. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f77f8d5a/attachment-0003.html From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Tue Jan 24 10:56:26 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Where does the date entry field on Quotes live? Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F7@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> One of those things that *should* be easy, but is proving to be a serious PITA... I have an open ticket that the Expiration Date on a New Quote be set to "current date + 30 days", instead of "current date" as it is now. This should just be a case of finding the assignment of the default value to the current date, and doing a dateAdd of +30days to it. 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URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060124/aab22588/attachment-0001.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 04:52:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> hi all, i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >question. > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >switch to svn. > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > and probably some guidelines. thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go back definitively from novell forge choice ? cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 07:07:30 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:07:30 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> hi fathi, vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare time) so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a solid help proposal... are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger ? just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >question. > > > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >switch to svn. > > > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > > and probably some guidelines. > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 09:17:47 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > time) like all of us. > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want a constructive discussion. we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we go, communicate. > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > solid help proposal... > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > ? i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", you have it. > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... you probably misunderstand my message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) so here is the consensus : first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the amount of projects to be hosted. waiting for your answers :) another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. second, a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop novellforge like this. the roadmap : 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge 2) setup gforge on local test platform 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:23:06 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:23:06 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) I also agree with the subversion idea... > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? interesting question... ;-) I don't know if the current status of the system (vtiger) warrant a forge, but some people wanted it... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > > > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > > time) > > like all of us. > > > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... > > i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want > a constructive discussion. > > we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. > ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. > We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we > go, communicate. > > > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > > solid help proposal... > > > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > > ? > > i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a > possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? > > if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. > if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", > you have it. > > > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... > > you probably misunderstand my message. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) > so here is the consensus : > > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need > a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the > amount of projects to be hosted. > > waiting for your answers :) > > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. > > second, > > a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. > b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop > novellforge like this. > > the roadmap : > 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge > 2) setup gforge on local test platform > 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting > > if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 15:31:00 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:31:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:51:10 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:51:10 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 01:38:24 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:38:24 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Hello Team! Good to know that we have an active discussion on here. Mike and myself had discussed using gforge and it is a beast to work with. As we are all working on this together, Mike has volunteered to get the forge running. The easiest to get to work was the current one he is using. Having said that, we had also asked for earlier suggestions for forge but we did not get many easy to use systems. Mike, on his own initiative found out the current solution and has done admirably till now. I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why not proceed with it? Fahi, I do understand your point and Sak was just pointing out the facts that had occured before you joined the list. We are in this together and there is no sole ownership. We just chip in whatever we can, whenever we can. Mike has high regards for everyone over here and we actively look forward to help Mike out with the cvs/svn. Mike has a free hand there. Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to keep us guys updated. So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! In Mike +! Richie ----sergiokessler at gmail.com wrote ---- does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060126/33043567/attachment-0003.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:33:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D9401B.8090400@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) > not for the moment, but it's noted :) thanks From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:47:35 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:35 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <43D94377.6010007@free.fr> Joe Stewart a ?crit : > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > i'm a debian user/maintainer, my local test platform are sarge and sid. christian bayle have pre packaged current gforge. i have contact with roland mas, the current maintainer and already installed gforge in the past. i'm totally agree with you about "gforge scales for future needs". we are all convinced that gforge is a more powerfull solution than novell forge From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:51:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D94461.1030607@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > no, ldap isn't an absolute requirement. we can use gforge without it. in 3.x series, authentification was in ldap. but now, in 4.x series, authentification can be in postgresql. From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 19:31:14 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built to use ldap. the setup asks the questions to setup slapd. You shouldn't have to mess with it. Joe > /sak > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Thu Jan 26 17:18:06 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] [Re: vtigerforge] Message-ID: <43D94A9E.4070109@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, You're killing me! Everybody's missing the point on this. Gforge installed easily. I thought I could emerge it and set it up quick. Configuring for what we need was difficult for someone with no gforge experience. I'm sure the debian package installs easily. Gentoo installs gforge easy. As I said before, I'm not a n00n at this. Fathi says he will need 1-2 weeks to set gforge up. That's how it always is. Matching themes, making the instruction pages reference the correct project pages, etc. Nobody here is thinking about that last 5% which takes the most time. I set up owl to try and get the community started. I created VIP as a way we could distribute mods. Fathi did the right thing. He has offered his time to set up gforge. I welcome it, despite my time invested in the current product. Gforge is better. Please, help is make vtiger better. Donate time. Donate software. Open source will only survive is we all pitch in. I'm not upset with wanting a better forge. But please, don't spent time like this wishing I'd given my 2-3 weeks of free evening time to something nobody else has stepped up to do. My blogs are trying to teach things I have learned. Contribute! Community! That's who we need to be. Joe, just cause you were the straw, I'm not directing this at you. I'm not mad. I want more of these great ideas implemented. I've learned that I had to step up for results here. Let's all do that. :D Flame on! :) Mike ( boy have I had a pissy day ) Crowe ------Original Message------ From: Joe Stewart Sender: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ReplyTo: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Sent: Jan 26, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Mike Crowe Sr. Field Sales Engineer ELCOM 3030 Naomi Dr. Clover, SC 29710 Phone: (803) 831-9050 Fax: (704) 973-7910 mike.crowe at elcomsales.com http://www.elcomsales.com/ ( note new email address ) From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 03:13:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:13:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <200601270913.16232.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 01:31, Joe Stewart a ?crit : > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There > were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install > time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built > to use ldap. not in 4.5.3 last unofficial debian release. cheers, fathi From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 03:35:21 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:35:21 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always > move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. > > I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their > hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. > > Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make > do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a > different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed > a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why > not proceed with it? > > Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to > keep us guys updated. > > So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! hi, you seems to have missed this thread : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html and what i don't have is : > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this (mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your feelings ? In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue with current forge. cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 03:41:17 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 03:53:14 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:53:14 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090b10f4ff.5697312263588696717.-5855809778261626224@@vtiger.com> Hi Team! Whatever is convenient is ok. Mike just pmed me and said he was okay with working with Fathi on the gforge. I did go through the thread Fathi, thank you though.Fathi, I just feel that we should always consider the person who has put in his heart out on something and it is not right to just brush it off without having a good fight on it. But, as I said, if Mike is okay, then all is fine. If the only drawback is lack of postgres on the forge machine, go ahead and install it. If that is an issue, let me know and I will try and have it installed from here itself. I agree Fathi we have more options now. If Mike and team feel it is good to have gforge with cvs/svn after dropping the current setup, then please do feel free. Mike, Fathi if there be any more queries, you can reach me by phone. Richie ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there still significant activity on this project ? so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? the questions were already asked : cycle release ? naming scheme ? cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 09:11:22 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:11:22 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 09:54:46 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:54:46 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Hello, I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by tomorrow. Thanks, Gopal ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060127/a4bb3f78/attachment-0003.html From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 09:59:43 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43DA355F.1080606@vtigercrmfrance.org> This is a very good news gopal. Gopal a ?crit : > Hello, > > I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by > tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Gopal > > > > > ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- > > I agree, > lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also > roadmap to know the future.... > > Fathi Boudra a ?crit : > > >hi all, > > > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > > > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks > nice, but my > >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only > ran to July > >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? > >> > >> > > > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. > >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > > > >the questions were already asked : > >cycle release ? > >naming scheme ? > > > >cheers, > > > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Fri Jan 27 16:24:54 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:24:54 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Plans for future stable 4.2.x releases? Message-ID: <43DA8FA6.9070805@mikefedyk.com> Hi, For the last few days I have been going through the forums looking for fixes to little problems that look interesting and several qualify for integration into the stable release IMO. The "single quote in description removes lead during conversion" bug is also a show stopper. I know most of the resources are being put into the next major release right now, but I think the 4.2.x tree needs a few more bug fix releases. Is there anyone willing to work with me on maintaining the 4.2.x tree or at least review the bug fixes that I gather together so a new bug fix release can be made? Mike (There always has to be at least one Mike) Fedyk From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 27 21:49:23 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <1138416563.20472.25.camel@ubuntu> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 14:14:37 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> This email is sent from the new webmail interface... Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. Matt In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/0fa1489f/attachment-0001.html From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Mon Jan 30 16:29:53 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE8551.7060502@mikefedyk.com> There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 16:43:26 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: The only HTML I saw was nbsp; so I took that and a few of the other similar ones out. Let me know if that helps. Matt In reply to the message sent by Mike Fedyk < mfedyk at mikefedyk.com > on Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800: There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap? Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/93a626fc/attachment-0003.html From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 30 17:24:53 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE9235.7070907@zertis.net> Looks Great to me in Thunderbird. Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As already said in this post : http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=4607 there's some changes to do : - rename vtiger_crm directory in vtiger-crm - replace "_" by "-" - keep source directory with version (vtiger-crm-4.2.3) - provide tarball archive - provide default parameters in configuration file config.php - hostname auto detectection doesn't work with ipv6 - remove executable flag from files - merge LICENSE and LICENSE_AGGREEMENT to single copyright file Don't know if it's done but for the last point, who's in charge of legal stuff ? ATM the debian copyright file is : -BEGIN---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was downloaded from http://www.vtiger.com Copyright Holder: (c) 2003-2005 vtiger.com License: * Mozilla Public License version 1.1 The MPL can be found at http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ * GNU Public license (GPL) On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' vtiger crm consists of the following components: * Apache software (Apache License) * MySQL server (GPL) * PHP (PHP License 3.0) * SugarCRM (SPL 1.1.2) * phpBB (GPL) * TUTOS (GPL) * phpSysinfo (GPL) * PHPMailer (LGPL) * lastRSS (GPL) * gdwin32 (GPL) * nusoap (LGPL) * ADOdb (BSD license) * FCKeditor (LGPL) * Squirrel Mail (GPL) * Mailfeed (GPL) each one copyrighted under their respective licenses. The complete text concerning the licenses can be found within the package : * Copyright.txt * LICENSE_AGREEMENT.txt * LICENSE.txt -END---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're looking vtiger crm story. cheers, Fathi PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a first use. From kiange at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 15:21:46 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:21:46 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > looking vtiger crm story. > > cheers, > > Fathi I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think vtiger crm must be released under GPL. MPL allows you to modify the license as you wish, LGPL allows you to use the software which released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should release your software under GPL. > > PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a > first use. Great news. :) -- Finjon Kiang From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 16:29:59 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Fathi Boudra wrote: >taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >looking vtiger crm story. > > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but not in the source archive. From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 16:42:23 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Finjon Kiang wrote: >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >>looking vtiger crm story. >> >>cheers, >> >>Fathi >> >> > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php source files. >MPL allows you to modify the >license as you wish, > No. The MPL defines the distinction between license boundaries at the file level. If you want to introduce another license into a MPL licensed project it needs to be in a separate file. >LGPL allows you to use the software which >released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. >But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should >release your software under GPL. > That is not a black and white requirement of the GPL. There are many ways GPL code can be brought into a non-GPL project if the interactions with the GPL code are done in certain ways. I am not claiming that his has been done with vtiger though. I'm not familiar with the code base enough yet. Mike From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Tue Jan 31 18:07:07 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <1138748827.20220.89.camel@ubuntu> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 13:42 -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Finjon Kiang wrote: > > >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > > > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > >>looking vtiger crm story. > >> > >>cheers, > >> > >>Fathi > >> > >> > > > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think > >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > > > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The > GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary > distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the > compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not > being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php > source files. > Taken from the FSF License FAQ "Licenses NOT Compatible with the GPL" section: Mozilla Public License (MPL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; unlike the X11 license, it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. That is, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the MPL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the MPL for this reason. However, MPL 1.1 has a provision (section 13) that allows a program (or parts of it) to offer a choice of another license as well. If part of a program allows the GNU GPL as an alternate choice, or any other GPL-compatible license as an alternate choice, that part of the program has a GPL-compatible license. Section 13 of the VPL: 13. MULTIPLE-LICENSED CODE. Initial Developer may designate portions of the Covered Code as "Multiple-Licensed". "Multiple-Licensed" means that the Initial Developer permits you to utilize portions of the Covered Code under Your choice of the SPL or the alternative licenses, if any, specified by the Initial Developer in the file described in Exhibit A.This software is Copyright vtiger and Contributors. All rights reserved. This license has been certified as open source. We couldn't put the whole project under GPL even if all the current developers agreed because we don't have any copyrights on the original SPL code it was born from. Rather, we would have to rip out any GPL code since we don't have rights to change the underlying license. Anyways, the version of the MPL that the SPL/VPL are based off of should be fully compatible and allow mixing of code with different licenses. IANAL and such :). Matt From fboudra at free.fr Tue Jan 31 21:26:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi BOUDRA) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 02:26:29 +0000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <200602010226.29293.fboudra@free.fr> Talking about vtiger crm 5.x licence, as i understand, it will be released under a LGPL license. > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but > not in the source archive. which binary version of vtiger ? vtiger isn't a binary apps (as you said no comipilation, no linking), it's sources only. when you distribute an open source software, you provide a copyright file that talk about his licensing. There's no direct link between your software and how you package/bundle it. legaly, you need to provide respective licenses of software that you use. In all cases, apache or mysql aren't components of vtiger crm, just components of the easy setup for windows that we provide. Finally, what we need to know about current vtiger crm (and probably next), is what portion of code aren't contribution. who is original author and what license was used in his code. vtiger code and contributions from people to vtiger seems dual-licensed. is it legal ? is MPL compatible with some GPL portion ? i know, this is just an interpretation, but this is the lawyers way, and they play wiith words. cheers, Fathi PS: just a small note about MPL, according to some debian legal people MPL is a non-free license, so SPL and VPL as well. From richie at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 00:28:29 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] upgrade to latest mysql Message-ID: <108ada30884.3782719508554343347.-7731005037422626773@@vtiger.com> During security implementation, we realised that with the current mysql version, we will be taking a sizeable performance hit. We do not have any numbers as such but we think it will be better to move to the latest version of mysql say we support mysql 4.1.x to the latest version. This will involve quite some code changes so that the queries work with all the versions of mysql. I am looking for any easy upgrade path. Any suggestions on this are welcome. Richie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm Module: vtiger_crm tags found from at SourceForge: Branches VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH VTIGER MAIN Non-branch tags VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD ...lots of tags with date string And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could found the daily build packages?? -- Finjon Kiang From richie at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 02:16:28 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:16:28 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support Message-ID: <108ae05e4f9.2156783245219552580.-3325471538301114646@@vtiger.com> Hello! Came across this article on PostGres movement. Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060108/097bb7fd/attachment-0004.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 03:43:34 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:43:34 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 05:20:11 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: <108aeae1824.957038252233567205.1145381114453612729@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for updating the Traditional Chinese language pack. Could you please post the updated version in Language Packs forum in vtiger Discussions? http://forums.vtiger.com/viewforum.php?f=16 Regards, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:18:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> References: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 07:20:32 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:20:32 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] reply-to Message-ID: <49216030601090420x459630c8l1b397cfb46e45769@mail.gmail.com> richie, can you setup the reply-to of the mailing list to vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ?? so, automatically when someone hit reply, the reply go to the mailing list instead on the individual poster... /sak From vtiger at timandjulie.com Mon Jan 9 11:10:25 2006 From: vtiger at timandjulie.com (Tim Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:10:25 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor specific issues. For example: Select a, b + c from tablex Would become: Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would determine the target database and replace macros before executing. Using these macros, we handled differences in: * String concatenation * Date comparison * Case sensitivity in queries * Joins In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros dealt with all differences. Regards, Tim Onweald, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM To: Richie Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Mon Jan 9 13:09:20 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PATCH: Fix hidden attachment size limit bug Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F4@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> 2 files need to be patched. 1) Patch index.php as follows; the file should end like this: ------------------------------------------- echo "
"; // Under the Sugar Public License referenced above, you are required to leave in all copyright statements in both // the code and end-user application. //echo("
© 2004 SugarCRM Inc. All Rights Reserved.
"); if($calculate_response_time) { $endTime = microtime(); $deltaTime = microtime_diff($startTime, $endTime); echo(' Server response time: '.$deltaTime.' seconds.'); } echo "
\n"; } echo "\n"; } ------------------------------------------- The change is in the last few lines; this puts the assignment of userDateFormat inside the check for viewing an attachment or not, and does so in (I think) a nicer format. 2) Change line 99 of startVtiger.sh to: ------------------ ./bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=$MYSQL_HOME --datadir=$MYSQL_HOME/data --socket=$mysql_socket --tmpdir=$MYSQL_HOME/tmp --user=root --port=$mysql_port --max_allowed_packet=16M --default-table-type=INNODB > /dev/null & ------------------ The change is the addition of -max_allowed_packet=16M Eventually, we're going to have to start distributing proper unix diff patches for this stuff; it makes life MUCH easier. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060109/2e9199e0/attachment-0004.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 01:29:44 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:29:44 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> References: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> Message-ID: <3bec26390601092229m5c6b1e4fn4fac34ef9e380319@mail.gmail.com> I think most people have the right idea here, we don't want to support mysql 4.1 or 5.0 or postgres or any other database. Just like writing w3c complaint html we want to write SQL (probably 92) compliant statements and then add any vendor specific hacks as they are needed. As mentioned I don't think those libraries are what we want (that would just add one database to the list of supported dbs), using adodb is a good start, but if the SQL needs to be standard as well. What does that mean to mysql programs? Basically just don't do anything on this (http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html) list, and we are doing a lot of that right now. On 1/9/06, Tim Smith wrote: > In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL > across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor > specific issues. > > For example: > Select a, b + c from tablex > Would become: > Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex > > {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. > (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would > determine the target database and replace macros before executing. > > Using these macros, we handled differences in: > * String concatenation > * Date comparison > * Case sensitivity in queries > * Joins > > In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug > work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros > dealt with all differences. > > Regards, > Tim > > Onweald, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Sergio A. Kessler > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM > To: Richie > Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support > > yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, > it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... > > and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less > porting work is needed... > > /sak > > On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 17:43:01 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:43:01 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Sat Jan 14 13:25:48 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C9422C.6090508@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Sun Jan 15 21:29:00 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:29:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what the discussion boards used to be. Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? - Joel (aka jrydbeck) -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Mike Crowe Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From allan.bush at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 21:56:23 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:56:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601151856g75c221c8rd890ab4b83304af2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I'm here On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 14:45:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:45:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> almost nobody know there are mailing lists... AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... /sak On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 15:15:57 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:15:57 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 16 16:43:46 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:43:46 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Richie, I thought you guys were freezing the forum --which would force discussion to move here. Right now its even more work to monitor both. - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Finjon Kiang Sent: Mon 1/16/2006 2:45 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060116/55a31b56/attachment-0002.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 17:22:15 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:22:15 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601161422l6588eb49ib8f5a2c51d41d53d@mail.gmail.com> yes please, richie, can you set the reply-to of the mailing list to "vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com" ? /sak On 1/16/06, Finjon Kiang wrote: > Most people like using forum. :) > > Anyway, I'm here. > > * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? > > -- > Finjon Kiang > > On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > > > /sak > > > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > > Mike Crowe > > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > > > >/sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 15:55:46 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:46 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] getText implementation Message-ID: <49216030601171255jde5255chd0c42c04eb363745@mail.gmail.com> mike, sorry to bother, but richie is asking you (in the forums): "Mike, is your alternate getText solution stable for integration into the core please? Richie" I guess you can reply here... regards, /sak pd: richie, are you on this list ?? From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 16:29:00 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:29:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] CSS bar graph Message-ID: <49216030601171329q5a535d3ep54caebe82e53dac@mail.gmail.com> hey, maybe we can use CSS for the graphics... check the 'Vertical CSS Bar Graph' at http://apples-to-oranges.com/blog/article.aspx?id=55 /sak From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 10:24:54 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Urk, I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing a Quote. Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields - DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS - that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote is GET, not POST - meaning that all the data filled in in these two text fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) fails quietly - no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and everything works as normal. This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc as one giant tarball. Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the consequences of doing this? Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper for us. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060118/fc653e77/attachment-0004.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 11:30:39 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180830v6efc2d4dh7221acbecacbb491@mail.gmail.com> You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them are, the quote's one must have been over looked). The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from "get" to "post" (~line 39). On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 12:14:56 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> > Allan Bush wrote: > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > "get" to "post" (~line 39). Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? While we're at it: [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * Calendar/calendar_month.php: Calendar/calendar_week.php: Calendar/calendar_day.php: Home/index.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Orders/EditView.html: Should any of these get changed too? DG From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:57:40 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:57:40 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180957w354e675fn4a2ea9bbb9360bc@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > Allan Bush wrote: > > > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > > > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > > "get" to "post" (~line 39). > > Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. > > Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? > > While we're at it: > > [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * > Calendar/calendar_month.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_week.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_day.php: action="index.php"> > Home/index.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="export.php"> > Orders/EditView.html: action="index.php"> > > Should any of these get changed too? > > DG > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > The Orders one should probably be changed as well. The next release uses a very different approach for all these EditView.html files (they've been removed) which should help and reduce code repetition errors such as this. (sorry for sending this twice Dennis, they really need to fix the reply-to of this list) From sergiokessler at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 13:06:41 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:06:41 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <49216030601181006u4fbffc72k48c80400fc45195e@mail.gmail.com> according to the http standard: - all things that modify information (insert, update) should be made with POST, not with GET. - all things that do NOT modify information (select, view), should be made with GET. to solve the problem that some variables can be seen in the url bar (and you do not like that), I just simply encrypt and base64'd all the params... so you see a lot of garbage in the url /sak On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From allan.bush at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:50:07 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:50:07 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostgreSQL integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601180950o771c8aa4h5371ddcbd298dffd@mail.gmail.com> Joel, Hope you don't mind if I send this conversation through the mailing list, I think it helps to encourage more input. I sent richie the changes required to get the installation process working for postgres, however I haven't seen them integrated into the CVS HEAD yet, I'm not sure what the status is on this happening. The rest of the work required should be fairly simple, the code base has quited down some what but I think we should wait until a feature complete beta release at least until starting (especially if it's going to take this long for changes to be ported). If mysql 5.0 (in strict mode) is going to be supported then pretty much all the changes needed for postgres will be: adding "AS" to all aliases and using ilike for case-insensitive comparisons, both of which can be accomplished by a regular expression (hopefully). On 1/18/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Allan, > > I trust all is well with you. Any word yet from Richie on whether they > pulled your changes into 5.0? I've put my users on 4.2 and will likely stay > there until Postgres support is GA. > > - Joel From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 11:34:53 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:04:53 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI Message-ID: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the UI will evolve. thanks, Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment-0002.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vtCalendarAct2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73622 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment-0002.jpg From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 15:44:33 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <994473020601191244i6fcd7016i6cf9cf0e94c703f6@mail.gmail.com> I think this is a nice look/layout. I also like the fact that you can chose to view ALL, or just Calls, or just Meetings, or just To Do's. This will help someone like myself that has a lot of To Do's and Calls, I will be able to sort through them without looking at meetings and such. Great Job! Jamie On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com < vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com> wrote: > > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/61e17d31/attachment-0002.html From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 15:46:34 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:46:34 +1000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <43CFFAAA.8060409@saucesoft.com> Who is the owner of the calendar features for V5? We've got WebCalendar and VTiger in our enviornment, and we're trying to answer the integrate vs interface question. Reason: shared calendar views, check availability, etc. vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the > UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and > also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The > Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and > Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, > where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger > language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to > add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 16:18:02 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:18:02 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191318l7c5d0a28jd4756db255e3afa4@mail.gmail.com> all I can say is "wow !" saint, you rock my world ! /sak On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 16:20:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:20:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup Message-ID: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:56:59 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:58:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191458m16a45bcev47c81c4b9de9adfb@mail.gmail.com> Shut up fag On 1/19/06, Allan Bush wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 17:59:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191459l5be9ab72t1443bc77f64f2830@mail.gmail.com> jeje, yeah ! On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 00:30:00 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:30:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] test mail ignore please Message-ID: <108e64a5cdd.-3250335098778029299.7469722359878652479@@vtiger.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/4b8a434a/attachment-0004.html From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 00:33:55 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:33:55 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <108e64df7c4.-4412754091821777314.-6590670886335450492@@vtiger.com> Hi sak! I hope I got it right now! Please confirm. Richie ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/1367b5e9/attachment-0002.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 06:51:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:51:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601200351m5ab12a4cg6c5af494d77905fc@mail.gmail.com> hi richie, yup, I think you got it right this time ! ;-) cheers, /sak On 1/20/06, Richie wrote: > Hi sak! > > I hope I got it right now! > Please confirm. > > Richie > > > > ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- > > > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From developer at infointegrated.com Fri Jan 20 08:51:16 2006 From: developer at infointegrated.com (Brian Devendorf) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:51:16 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <55DA45FC-9116-408C-BD6B-7B8E860D4DE5@infointegrated.com> Saint, The changes being done to the theme are amazing. Looking at the latest modifications, I understand the grouping of the Activities and Calendar, but was wondering what the added benefit was. It makes sense to group them together, but I don't see any other advantages. It looks like it would always require two clicks to get to the activities display. I love the new activities view, with this view, should it just replace the To Do sub-menu under My Home? Or, should there be a Calls, Meetings, and ToDo item? They would all go to the same display window with a different Showing: criteria selected. Your thoughts? Thanks, Brian On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:34 AM, vtigercrm- developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for > the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme > color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image > attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my > view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities > is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings > and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. > It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, > Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Matt From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Fri Jan 20 12:29:31 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:31 +0000 GMT Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Matthew, Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Brichacek Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 To:Vtiger Devel List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into this when I try to access the CVS area: Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 20 12:37:46 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1137778667.16376.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> No worries, I'll just keep working on the project admin stuff for now. New forge looks good BTW. Matt On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 17:29 +0000, Mike Crowe wrote: > Matthew, > Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. > Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Brichacek > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 > To:Vtiger Devel List > Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge > > I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into > this when I try to access the CVS area: > Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error > > Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From kiange at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 15:51:48 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:51:48 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems Message-ID: I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 23:06:49 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:06:49 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108eb249690.5336529970365320349.977843371556770271@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for notifying the error in latest download links. I have fixed the links. Our team will look into the other issue that you have mentioned. Thanks, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please reply to my address in addition to the list since I'm not subscribed to the list. Mike From rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com Sat Jan 21 08:48:06 2006 From: rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com (Rajesh Sundaram K) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:18:06 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D23B96.4000709@adventnet.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0004.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0004.jpe From saint at vtiger.com Sat Jan 21 07:56:13 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (saint) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:26:13 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0004.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cardsorting.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0002.jpg From jlee at zertis.net Sat Jan 21 10:51:54 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:51:54 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you > would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting > method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to > have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. > > *What you need to do? > *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a > coke and do this sorting method. > > > *What is this Card sorting method?* > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and > group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card > with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you > have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under > each group. > > *What will you get in return?* > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > *What will we do with this data? > *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > *vtiger Modules > * > > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > * > * > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From saint at vtiger.com Sun Jan 22 06:49:33 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:19:33 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Message-ID: <43D3714D.2050300@vtiger.com> Yes, you can put the same card in two groups ! Josh Lee wrote: >Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? > >saint wrote: > > > >>Team, >> >>We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you >>would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting >>method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to >>have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. >> >>*What you need to do? >>*Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a >>coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >>*What is this Card sorting method?* >>Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >>According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >>paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >>image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >>group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes >>and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be >>grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module >>needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card >>with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you >>have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under >>each group. >> >>*What will you get in return?* >>The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >>vtiger About page. :-) >> >>*What will we do with this data? >>*With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >>grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >>*vtiger Modules >>* >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >>If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >>Have a great Weekend! >> >>- Saint >> >> >> >> >>* >>* >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). Notes: Should support categories including personal notes for each individual on the system. Tabs: Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". Home: The items that appear on the default page should be configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, but should be a future feature. Overall GUI: The system already is designed with two levels of menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. Initial results from Card Sort: My initial results had many items under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area along the left column which is always visible with My Home items. As these are likely the most frequently used by users. The My Home area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, Inventory, and Settings (for admin). Sales: Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, Invoice Support: Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email Marketing: Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email Reports: Dashboard, Reports Inventory: Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the My Home items to make them more easily identifiable. ? On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that > you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card- > Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users > wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes > for this. > > What you need to do? > Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab > a coke and do this sorting method. > > > What is this Card sorting method? > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/ > sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new > card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure > that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and > modules under each group. > > What will you get in return? > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > What will we do with this data? > With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > vtiger Modules > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and > sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The easiest way to achieve this of course, is to add all modules to all tabs and have an admin console that allows for modules to be turned off within a specific tab.... but that's for further debate. One of the problems with any solution, is that different markets, different types of companies and (even) different countries, mean that our clients have a very mixed set of requirements and one of the benefits of having all of the modules as Tabs, gives a level of flexibility that can work for most people.... therefore any loss of this flexibility is going to be a backwards step. We have over 150 CRM installs of different systems, some of these vTiger specific, most of these our legacy CRM solutions, and one thing that stands out is that 80% of the solution is the same as the next guy, and 20% is 'configured/bespoke/customised'. The problem is the 20% can often be different. My example is simple : Some of our clients are not big enough to understand the difference between Marketing and Sales, particularly if there are only two sales people and they handle all of the lead generation themselves (therefore they are Marketing and Sales). In this scenario they would want to be able have a single tab - Sales - that has Leads, Opportunities and their sales orders (plus the obvious other modules).. rather than these modules appearing in different places..... What this means is that we need the ability to configure the tabs, to show whatever modules are required... but if I was pushed, I would want the option to be able to display (or NOT) any of the following, under their tabs... By the way ... The idea of making changes to the Activity screens, as Brian suggested is a great idea and probably should not be overlooked, as it will bring added functionality to the application. We feel that an add on module similar to My Home is a must have and have developed a desktop tool bar that offers this functionality which has been commercially available for a while, although on our legacy systems. It is called ViewPoint and we have been using this self authored .NET application on all of our systems, to help productivity... so we agree that something along the My Home idea may be very useful.. Anyway.. here goes... One fundamental difference in what we have seen and what we would like (utopia here we come) is the addition of a TAB for Admin or Tracking.... this is because we (and other clients) as a company, need an administrative function to track our sales orders, Purchase orders, quotes, Invoices, Global Activities, Vendor activity and others... so we feel there should be some suitable named TAB that allows for this sort of information to be tracked. This is quite important for us, as our clients will have a sales cycle that is inclusive of the sales personnel and then the tracking or processing will be handled by someone in ADMIN, especially if sales people are 'on the road' a lot. Just a thought. Sales : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Sales Orders, Price Books, Dashboard, Notes, Products. Support : Accounts, Contacts, Helpdesk, **contracts**, FAQ, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard (support focus) and Notes. Marketing : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard, Notes Tracking : Sales Orders, Purchase orders, Quotes, Opportunities, **documentation**, Activities, Vendors, Invoices. Other tabs... agree in principle as they stand. So in summary... what is different in this proposal.... 1. Allow all modules to be available from all tabs and give a console to turn on and off 2. Add new TAB that allows for the Non sales or Non Support personnel - tracking from an admin person, who is responsible for just doing this work. 3. Consider Contracts for support 4. Consider how we will handle documentation that may need tracking... terms and conditions (bespoke document) that has a deadline or dependency for other triggers and workflow in the system. 5. Agree with Brian's view that some form of Desktop menu/side bar/ toolbar is a good idea, especially if this is configurable.. Enough for now.. if you managed to digest and read this far.. I hope it makes some sense... because this is so important to us all, thank you for letting us comment. It probably goes without saying, that if any of these diatribes produce any work that we can assist with... please let me know... I am happy (as always) to dedicate whatever resources we can to our common goal. Regards Graham Graham Anderson Managing Director Software Add-ons t. +44 (0)8452 303083 e. grahama at add-ons.co.uk ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of saint Sent: 21 January 2006 12:56 To: Developers List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. What you need to do? Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. What is this Card sorting method? Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. What will you get in return? The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) What will we do with this data? With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. vtiger Modules Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5e98f0d/attachment-0002.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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MikeF From saint at vtiger.com Mon Jan 23 04:22:48 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:48 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D4A068.1030607@vtiger.com> Brian, Thanks for your time and effort. That's an excellent observation. Great work! Team, The results of one card-sort test is available now. Let's see what others think of an ideal CRM application's tab structure and suggestions. Send in the results of your card-sort test. Your inputs will definitely make v5 a great product to use. :-) cheers, Saint Brian Devendorf wrote: > I took this concept and decided to design my ideal CRM application. A > couple of ideas for existing modules first: > *Mail: *Currently, Webmail is personal mail, and Mail is CRM mail. CRM > mail should support two separate mail accounts: sales & support. These > accounts would be setup separately and viewed separately. Email should > be the current webmail with send functionality very similar to the > current implementation. > *Contacts:* There should be filtering support based on a few criteria. > Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the > individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). > *Notes:* Should support categories including personal notes for each > individual on the system. > *Tabs: *Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under > which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". > *Home:* The items that appear on the default page should be > configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, > but should be a future feature. > *Overall GUI:* The system already is designed with two levels of > menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any > additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, > or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. > > *Initial results from Card Sort: *My initial results had many items > under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After > thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I > thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area > along the left column which is always visible with *My Home* items. As > these are likely the most frequently used by users. > > The *My Home* area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, > Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. > The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, > Inventory, and Settings (for admin). > *Sales: *Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, > Invoice > *Support:* Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email > *Marketing:* Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email > *Reports: *Dashboard, Reports > *Inventory: *Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order > > In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could > easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, > it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to > associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under > Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the *My > Home* items to make them more easily identifiable. > > > > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > >> Team, >> >> We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that >> you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the >> Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most >> users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few >> minutes for this. >> >> *What you need to do? >> *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab >> a coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >> *What is this Card sorting method?* >> Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >> >> According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >> paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >> image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >> group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, >> Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ >> can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular >> module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a >> new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure >> that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and >> modules under each group. >> >> *What will you get in return?* >> The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >> vtiger About page. :-) >> >> *What will we do with this data? >> *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >> grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >> *vtiger Modules >> * >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >> If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >> Have a great Weekend! >> >> - Saint >> >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gforge appears to be a much more focused platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge mike, I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ for the vtigerforge... cheers, /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f29515df/attachment-0002.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 16:05:04 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:05:04 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think gforge is much more stable than xoopsforge. I used to be a user for both system. But gforge needs lots of technical skills to implement. -- Finjon Kiang On 1/24/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:19:26 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Everybody's a critic... :-D gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much easier and quicker to set up. Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >for the vtigerforge... > >cheers, >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 23 16:46:23 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54EAF.4020601@zertis.net> I just switch to Subversion from cvs. WOW! I use TortoiseSVN on my windows box, just WOW! I will never again use cvs. Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:32:17 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54B61.8090909@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 16:49:03 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:49:03 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Message-ID: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, I know you have your reasons, your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) /sak On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > Everybody's a critic... :-D > > gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much > easier and quicker to set up. > > Mike > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike, > > > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > >for the vtigerforge... > > > >cheers, > >/sak > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 17:30:08 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Why not gforge (for the record!) In-Reply-To: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D558F0.5040908@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Sergio, I didn't take it wrong. I knew how you meant it! :D OK, I do want to address the "Why not gForge!" question. First off, as most of us are part-timers on this project, or the time we offer is. Second, being the geek I am, I install stuff like this just to learn how to do these things. My home server was a test bed, and it is Gentoo based. My laptop is Ubuntu, kids machines are Mepis, and I've done the Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva thing. Overall, emerge beats apt/yum/urpmi and all the other installation tools hands down. Not to start a flame war, but to explain: All I had to do was: emerge gforge and it was installed. Then I got into the setup, and here's some points: 1) gforge is not a cohesive program, as much as it is multiple (5-6) different programs loosly glued together. 2) Documentation is OK, but setup was extensive and very detailed. It was not a simple process at all. After a couple of days, I gave up. Folks, I don't give up easily. Let's rephrase that as a time/benefit analysis was done (in my head) and I decided to punt. Surprisingly, there are not many "forges" out there. However, you may be seeing more and more of Novell forge, which is based on myXoopsForge. It had all the elements I was looking for: MySQL compatible, relatively easy to install, etc. FWIW! Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, >I know you have your reasons, >your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) > >/sak > >On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > > >>Everybody's a critic... :-D >> >>gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much >>easier and quicker to set up. >> >>Mike >> >>Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >> >> >> >>>mike, >>> >>>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>>for the vtigerforge... >>> >>>cheers, >>>/sak >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 23 18:19:27 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: Mike, I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5bce46a/attachment-0002.html From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 18:43:38 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:43:38 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D56A2A.5060509@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I really didn't take it as "coming down on me". Since the Panthers got creamed by Seattle last night, it's easy to be an arm-chair quarterback. I really wanted to nip the Why not gForge in the bud. Further, this forge is far from perfect. I've already invested a boat-load of time, and can see investing even more to get it solid. What I really need is volunteers willing to share this burden. I'm seeing in every project I do: The first 90% takes 10% of the time. That last 10% is what kills you, and that's the part that I'm asking for help on now. I'll give you a for-instance: I created a project called vtigerforge where we can enter bugs with the site and put in feature requests. The damn trackers aren't working. I'm in a ssh shell now trying to figure out why the SQL statements don't work. Those are the types of things I wish I had backup on. :-[ No worries, though. No hurt feelings on my side. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: >Mike, > >I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. > >Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. > >Best Regards, > >- Joel > >________________________________ > >From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe >Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM >To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > > >Joel, > >I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I >absolutely want you playing with the system. > >Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't >configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. > >Mike > > >Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > >>Mike, >> >>I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused >>platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into >>new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). >> >>In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an >>account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. >> >>Regards, >> >>- Joel >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>*From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of >>Sergio A. Kessler >>*Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM >>*To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>*Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge >> >>mike, >> >>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>for the vtigerforge... >> >>cheers, >>/sak >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 19:32:49 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Site features/bugs section Message-ID: <43D575B1.2060106@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, I've started a Features request section of vtigerforge. URL is: Enhancement Requests It is now on the left menu below the main menu. Please add, *or volunteer* to help with these items. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f77f8d5a/attachment-0004.html From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Tue Jan 24 10:56:26 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Where does the date entry field on Quotes live? Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F7@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> One of those things that *should* be easy, but is proving to be a serious PITA... I have an open ticket that the Expiration Date on a New Quote be set to "current date + 30 days", instead of "current date" as it is now. This should just be a case of finding the assignment of the default value to the current date, and doing a dateAdd of +30days to it. 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URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060124/aab22588/attachment-0002.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 04:52:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> hi all, i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >question. > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >switch to svn. > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > and probably some guidelines. thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go back definitively from novell forge choice ? cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 07:07:30 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:07:30 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> hi fathi, vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare time) so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a solid help proposal... are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger ? just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >question. > > > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >switch to svn. > > > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > > and probably some guidelines. > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 09:17:47 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > time) like all of us. > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want a constructive discussion. we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we go, communicate. > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > solid help proposal... > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > ? i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", you have it. > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... you probably misunderstand my message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) so here is the consensus : first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the amount of projects to be hosted. waiting for your answers :) another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. second, a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop novellforge like this. the roadmap : 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge 2) setup gforge on local test platform 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:23:06 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:23:06 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) I also agree with the subversion idea... > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? interesting question... ;-) I don't know if the current status of the system (vtiger) warrant a forge, but some people wanted it... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > > > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > > time) > > like all of us. > > > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... > > i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want > a constructive discussion. > > we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. > ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. > We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we > go, communicate. > > > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > > solid help proposal... > > > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > > ? > > i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a > possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? > > if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. > if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", > you have it. > > > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... > > you probably misunderstand my message. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) > so here is the consensus : > > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need > a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the > amount of projects to be hosted. > > waiting for your answers :) > > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. > > second, > > a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. > b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop > novellforge like this. > > the roadmap : > 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge > 2) setup gforge on local test platform > 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting > > if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 15:31:00 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:31:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:51:10 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:51:10 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 01:38:24 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:38:24 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Hello Team! Good to know that we have an active discussion on here. Mike and myself had discussed using gforge and it is a beast to work with. As we are all working on this together, Mike has volunteered to get the forge running. The easiest to get to work was the current one he is using. Having said that, we had also asked for earlier suggestions for forge but we did not get many easy to use systems. Mike, on his own initiative found out the current solution and has done admirably till now. I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why not proceed with it? Fahi, I do understand your point and Sak was just pointing out the facts that had occured before you joined the list. We are in this together and there is no sole ownership. We just chip in whatever we can, whenever we can. Mike has high regards for everyone over here and we actively look forward to help Mike out with the cvs/svn. Mike has a free hand there. Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to keep us guys updated. So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! In Mike +! Richie ----sergiokessler at gmail.com wrote ---- does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060126/33043567/attachment-0004.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:33:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D9401B.8090400@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) > not for the moment, but it's noted :) thanks From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:47:35 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:35 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <43D94377.6010007@free.fr> Joe Stewart a ?crit : > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > i'm a debian user/maintainer, my local test platform are sarge and sid. christian bayle have pre packaged current gforge. i have contact with roland mas, the current maintainer and already installed gforge in the past. i'm totally agree with you about "gforge scales for future needs". we are all convinced that gforge is a more powerfull solution than novell forge From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 16:51:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D94461.1030607@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > no, ldap isn't an absolute requirement. we can use gforge without it. in 3.x series, authentification was in ldap. but now, in 4.x series, authentification can be in postgresql. From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 19:31:14 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built to use ldap. the setup asks the questions to setup slapd. You shouldn't have to mess with it. Joe > /sak > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Thu Jan 26 17:18:06 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] [Re: vtigerforge] Message-ID: <43D94A9E.4070109@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, You're killing me! Everybody's missing the point on this. Gforge installed easily. I thought I could emerge it and set it up quick. Configuring for what we need was difficult for someone with no gforge experience. I'm sure the debian package installs easily. Gentoo installs gforge easy. As I said before, I'm not a n00n at this. Fathi says he will need 1-2 weeks to set gforge up. That's how it always is. Matching themes, making the instruction pages reference the correct project pages, etc. Nobody here is thinking about that last 5% which takes the most time. I set up owl to try and get the community started. I created VIP as a way we could distribute mods. Fathi did the right thing. He has offered his time to set up gforge. I welcome it, despite my time invested in the current product. Gforge is better. Please, help is make vtiger better. Donate time. Donate software. Open source will only survive is we all pitch in. I'm not upset with wanting a better forge. But please, don't spent time like this wishing I'd given my 2-3 weeks of free evening time to something nobody else has stepped up to do. My blogs are trying to teach things I have learned. Contribute! Community! That's who we need to be. Joe, just cause you were the straw, I'm not directing this at you. I'm not mad. I want more of these great ideas implemented. I've learned that I had to step up for results here. Let's all do that. :D Flame on! :) Mike ( boy have I had a pissy day ) Crowe ------Original Message------ From: Joe Stewart Sender: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ReplyTo: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Sent: Jan 26, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Mike Crowe Sr. Field Sales Engineer ELCOM 3030 Naomi Dr. Clover, SC 29710 Phone: (803) 831-9050 Fax: (704) 973-7910 mike.crowe at elcomsales.com http://www.elcomsales.com/ ( note new email address ) From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 03:13:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:13:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <200601270913.16232.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 01:31, Joe Stewart a ?crit : > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There > were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install > time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built > to use ldap. not in 4.5.3 last unofficial debian release. cheers, fathi From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 03:35:21 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:35:21 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always > move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. > > I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their > hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. > > Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make > do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a > different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed > a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why > not proceed with it? > > Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to > keep us guys updated. > > So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! hi, you seems to have missed this thread : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html and what i don't have is : > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this (mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your feelings ? In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue with current forge. cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 03:41:17 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 03:53:14 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:53:14 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090b10f4ff.5697312263588696717.-5855809778261626224@@vtiger.com> Hi Team! Whatever is convenient is ok. Mike just pmed me and said he was okay with working with Fathi on the gforge. I did go through the thread Fathi, thank you though.Fathi, I just feel that we should always consider the person who has put in his heart out on something and it is not right to just brush it off without having a good fight on it. But, as I said, if Mike is okay, then all is fine. If the only drawback is lack of postgres on the forge machine, go ahead and install it. If that is an issue, let me know and I will try and have it installed from here itself. I agree Fathi we have more options now. If Mike and team feel it is good to have gforge with cvs/svn after dropping the current setup, then please do feel free. Mike, Fathi if there be any more queries, you can reach me by phone. Richie ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there still significant activity on this project ? so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? the questions were already asked : cycle release ? naming scheme ? cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 09:11:22 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:11:22 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 09:54:46 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:54:46 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Hello, I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by tomorrow. Thanks, Gopal ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060127/a4bb3f78/attachment-0004.html From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 09:59:43 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43DA355F.1080606@vtigercrmfrance.org> This is a very good news gopal. Gopal a ?crit : > Hello, > > I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by > tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Gopal > > > > > ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- > > I agree, > lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also > roadmap to know the future.... > > Fathi Boudra a ?crit : > > >hi all, > > > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > > > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks > nice, but my > >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only > ran to July > >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? > >> > >> > > > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. > >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > > > >the questions were already asked : > >cycle release ? > >naming scheme ? > > > >cheers, > > > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Fri Jan 27 16:24:54 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:24:54 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Plans for future stable 4.2.x releases? Message-ID: <43DA8FA6.9070805@mikefedyk.com> Hi, For the last few days I have been going through the forums looking for fixes to little problems that look interesting and several qualify for integration into the stable release IMO. The "single quote in description removes lead during conversion" bug is also a show stopper. I know most of the resources are being put into the next major release right now, but I think the 4.2.x tree needs a few more bug fix releases. Is there anyone willing to work with me on maintaining the 4.2.x tree or at least review the bug fixes that I gather together so a new bug fix release can be made? Mike (There always has to be at least one Mike) Fedyk From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 27 21:49:23 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <1138416563.20472.25.camel@ubuntu> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 14:14:37 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> This email is sent from the new webmail interface... Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. Matt In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/0fa1489f/attachment-0002.html From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Mon Jan 30 16:29:53 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE8551.7060502@mikefedyk.com> There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 16:43:26 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: The only HTML I saw was nbsp; so I took that and a few of the other similar ones out. Let me know if that helps. Matt In reply to the message sent by Mike Fedyk < mfedyk at mikefedyk.com > on Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800: There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap? Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/93a626fc/attachment-0004.html From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 30 17:24:53 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE9235.7070907@zertis.net> Looks Great to me in Thunderbird. Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As already said in this post : http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=4607 there's some changes to do : - rename vtiger_crm directory in vtiger-crm - replace "_" by "-" - keep source directory with version (vtiger-crm-4.2.3) - provide tarball archive - provide default parameters in configuration file config.php - hostname auto detectection doesn't work with ipv6 - remove executable flag from files - merge LICENSE and LICENSE_AGGREEMENT to single copyright file Don't know if it's done but for the last point, who's in charge of legal stuff ? ATM the debian copyright file is : -BEGIN---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was downloaded from http://www.vtiger.com Copyright Holder: (c) 2003-2005 vtiger.com License: * Mozilla Public License version 1.1 The MPL can be found at http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ * GNU Public license (GPL) On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' vtiger crm consists of the following components: * Apache software (Apache License) * MySQL server (GPL) * PHP (PHP License 3.0) * SugarCRM (SPL 1.1.2) * phpBB (GPL) * TUTOS (GPL) * phpSysinfo (GPL) * PHPMailer (LGPL) * lastRSS (GPL) * gdwin32 (GPL) * nusoap (LGPL) * ADOdb (BSD license) * FCKeditor (LGPL) * Squirrel Mail (GPL) * Mailfeed (GPL) each one copyrighted under their respective licenses. The complete text concerning the licenses can be found within the package : * Copyright.txt * LICENSE_AGREEMENT.txt * LICENSE.txt -END---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're looking vtiger crm story. cheers, Fathi PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a first use. From kiange at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 15:21:46 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:21:46 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > looking vtiger crm story. > > cheers, > > Fathi I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think vtiger crm must be released under GPL. MPL allows you to modify the license as you wish, LGPL allows you to use the software which released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should release your software under GPL. > > PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a > first use. Great news. :) -- Finjon Kiang From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 16:29:59 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Fathi Boudra wrote: >taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >looking vtiger crm story. > > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but not in the source archive. From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 16:42:23 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Finjon Kiang wrote: >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >>looking vtiger crm story. >> >>cheers, >> >>Fathi >> >> > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php source files. >MPL allows you to modify the >license as you wish, > No. The MPL defines the distinction between license boundaries at the file level. If you want to introduce another license into a MPL licensed project it needs to be in a separate file. >LGPL allows you to use the software which >released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. >But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should >release your software under GPL. > That is not a black and white requirement of the GPL. There are many ways GPL code can be brought into a non-GPL project if the interactions with the GPL code are done in certain ways. I am not claiming that his has been done with vtiger though. I'm not familiar with the code base enough yet. Mike From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Tue Jan 31 18:07:07 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <1138748827.20220.89.camel@ubuntu> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 13:42 -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Finjon Kiang wrote: > > >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > > > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > >>looking vtiger crm story. > >> > >>cheers, > >> > >>Fathi > >> > >> > > > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think > >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > > > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The > GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary > distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the > compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not > being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php > source files. > Taken from the FSF License FAQ "Licenses NOT Compatible with the GPL" section: Mozilla Public License (MPL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; unlike the X11 license, it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. That is, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the MPL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the MPL for this reason. However, MPL 1.1 has a provision (section 13) that allows a program (or parts of it) to offer a choice of another license as well. If part of a program allows the GNU GPL as an alternate choice, or any other GPL-compatible license as an alternate choice, that part of the program has a GPL-compatible license. Section 13 of the VPL: 13. MULTIPLE-LICENSED CODE. Initial Developer may designate portions of the Covered Code as "Multiple-Licensed". "Multiple-Licensed" means that the Initial Developer permits you to utilize portions of the Covered Code under Your choice of the SPL or the alternative licenses, if any, specified by the Initial Developer in the file described in Exhibit A.This software is Copyright vtiger and Contributors. All rights reserved. This license has been certified as open source. We couldn't put the whole project under GPL even if all the current developers agreed because we don't have any copyrights on the original SPL code it was born from. Rather, we would have to rip out any GPL code since we don't have rights to change the underlying license. Anyways, the version of the MPL that the SPL/VPL are based off of should be fully compatible and allow mixing of code with different licenses. IANAL and such :). Matt From fboudra at free.fr Tue Jan 31 21:26:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi BOUDRA) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 02:26:29 +0000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <200602010226.29293.fboudra@free.fr> Talking about vtiger crm 5.x licence, as i understand, it will be released under a LGPL license. > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but > not in the source archive. which binary version of vtiger ? vtiger isn't a binary apps (as you said no comipilation, no linking), it's sources only. when you distribute an open source software, you provide a copyright file that talk about his licensing. There's no direct link between your software and how you package/bundle it. legaly, you need to provide respective licenses of software that you use. In all cases, apache or mysql aren't components of vtiger crm, just components of the easy setup for windows that we provide. Finally, what we need to know about current vtiger crm (and probably next), is what portion of code aren't contribution. who is original author and what license was used in his code. vtiger code and contributions from people to vtiger seems dual-licensed. is it legal ? is MPL compatible with some GPL portion ? i know, this is just an interpretation, but this is the lawyers way, and they play wiith words. cheers, Fathi PS: just a small note about MPL, according to some debian legal people MPL is a non-free license, so SPL and VPL as well. From richie at vtiger.com Sun Jan 8 21:28:29 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] upgrade to latest mysql Message-ID: <108ada30884.3782719508554343347.-7731005037422626773@@vtiger.com> During security implementation, we realised that with the current mysql version, we will be taking a sizeable performance hit. We do not have any numbers as such but we think it will be better to move to the latest version of mysql say we support mysql 4.1.x to the latest version. This will involve quite some code changes so that the queries work with all the versions of mysql. I am looking for any easy upgrade path. Any suggestions on this are welcome. Richie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm Module: vtiger_crm tags found from at SourceForge: Branches VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH VTIGER MAIN Non-branch tags VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD ...lots of tags with date string And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could found the daily build packages?? -- Finjon Kiang From richie at vtiger.com Sun Jan 8 23:16:28 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:16:28 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support Message-ID: <108ae05e4f9.2156783245219552580.-3325471538301114646@@vtiger.com> Hello! Came across this article on PostGres movement. Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060108/097bb7fd/attachment-0005.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 00:43:34 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:43:34 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Mon Jan 9 02:20:11 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Correct tag for latest version in CVS ? In-Reply-To: References: <2318.81.175.188.32.1136791838.squirrel@client3.mediamaisteri.com> Message-ID: <108aeae1824.957038252233567205.1145381114453612729@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for updating the Traditional Chinese language pack. Could you please post the updated version in Language Packs forum in vtiger Discussions? http://forums.vtiger.com/viewforum.php?f=16 Regards, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- Thanks. So I don't have to add any tag if I want to download the latest version of vtiger?? I tried to download with both tag 'HEAD' and 'VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' and got the same result. In linux, the commands just like add '-r HEAD' or '-r VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD' after the one Karri said. Anyway, I updated the Traditional Chinese language pack to the latest version. Download: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795082&post_id=4330 I also updated the scripts which help to translate: http://twpug.net/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1136795081&post_id=4330 language_pack.php => Copy all the language files to the specified destination.(For windows users) translate.php => Translate the 'core' language file translate_m.php => Translate modules' language files -- Finjon Kiang On 1/9/06, karri.koivuniemi at tawasta.fi wrote: > Hi, if I am correct, you get newest version like this: > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm login > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm co -P > vtiger_crm > > Sincerely > > Karri > > > I attempted to download the latest version of vtigerCRM with > > TortoiseCVS. But I found that there are so many tags and I couldn't > > figure out which one is correct. > > > > CVSROOT: :pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm > > Module: vtiger_crm > > tags found from at SourceForge: > > > > Branches > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_POSTGRES_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_JRYDBECK_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_PATCH2_INTEG_ALLANBUSH_BRANCH > > VTIGERCRM_4_2_BRANCH > > VTIGER > > MAIN > > > > Non-branch tags > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_30_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_NOV_29_2005_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_MAY_31_2005_2_DBUILD > > VTIGERCRM_JAN_09_2006_DBUILD > > ...lots of tags with date string > > > > And according to the 'Non-branch tags', is there a page which could > > found the daily build packages?? > > > > -- > > Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:18:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> References: <3493353083751718741@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 04:20:32 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:20:32 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] reply-to Message-ID: <49216030601090420x459630c8l1b397cfb46e45769@mail.gmail.com> richie, can you setup the reply-to of the mailing list to vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ?? so, automatically when someone hit reply, the reply go to the mailing list instead on the individual poster... /sak From vtiger at timandjulie.com Mon Jan 9 08:10:25 2006 From: vtiger at timandjulie.com (Tim Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:10:25 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor specific issues. For example: Select a, b + c from tablex Would become: Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would determine the target database and replace macros before executing. Using these macros, we handled differences in: * String concatenation * Date comparison * Case sensitivity in queries * Joins In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros dealt with all differences. Regards, Tim Onweald, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM To: Richie Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less porting work is needed... /sak On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > Hello! > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Mon Jan 9 10:09:20 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PATCH: Fix hidden attachment size limit bug Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F4@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> 2 files need to be patched. 1) Patch index.php as follows; the file should end like this: ------------------------------------------- echo "
"; // Under the Sugar Public License referenced above, you are required to leave in all copyright statements in both // the code and end-user application. //echo("
© 2004 SugarCRM Inc. All Rights Reserved.
"); if($calculate_response_time) { $endTime = microtime(); $deltaTime = microtime_diff($startTime, $endTime); echo(' Server response time: '.$deltaTime.' seconds.'); } echo "
\n"; } echo "\n"; } ------------------------------------------- The change is in the last few lines; this puts the assignment of userDateFormat inside the check for viewing an attachment or not, and does so in (I think) a nicer format. 2) Change line 99 of startVtiger.sh to: ------------------ ./bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=$MYSQL_HOME --datadir=$MYSQL_HOME/data --socket=$mysql_socket --tmpdir=$MYSQL_HOME/tmp --user=root --port=$mysql_port --max_allowed_packet=16M --default-table-type=INNODB > /dev/null & ------------------ The change is the addition of -max_allowed_packet=16M Eventually, we're going to have to start distributing proper unix diff patches for this stuff; it makes life MUCH easier. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060109/2e9199e0/attachment-0005.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 22:29:44 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:29:44 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support In-Reply-To: <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> References: <49216030601090418i7e010da0odb4336c3511f3181@mail.gmail.com> <013e01c61537$338fbb40$420fa8c0@office> Message-ID: <3bec26390601092229m5c6b1e4fn4fac34ef9e380319@mail.gmail.com> I think most people have the right idea here, we don't want to support mysql 4.1 or 5.0 or postgres or any other database. Just like writing w3c complaint html we want to write SQL (probably 92) compliant statements and then add any vendor specific hacks as they are needed. As mentioned I don't think those libraries are what we want (that would just add one database to the list of supported dbs), using adodb is a good start, but if the SQL needs to be standard as well. What does that mean to mysql programs? Basically just don't do anything on this (http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html) list, and we are doing a lot of that right now. On 1/9/06, Tim Smith wrote: > In a former product, we took the approach of using standard, simplified SQL > across the majority of SQL statements with macros/escaping to handle vendor > specific issues. > > For example: > Select a, b + c from tablex > Would become: > Select a, b {@+@} c from tablex > > {@+@} would be replaced with the vendor specific concatenation command. > (This was required for Oracle) A centralized sql execution function would > determine the target database and replace macros before executing. > > Using these macros, we handled differences in: > * String concatenation > * Date comparison > * Case sensitivity in queries > * Joins > > In about 2% of our code, we required vendor specific optimizations or bug > work arounds. These were the only kludges required. Otherwise, macros > dealt with all differences. > > Regards, > Tim > > Onweald, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Sergio A. Kessler > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:19 AM > To: Richie > Cc: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostGres support > > yup, but vtiger uses ADODB, > it shouldn't be hard to ensure that the queries also work in postgresql... > > and if the queries are developed with the sql standards in mind, the less > porting work is needed... > > /sak > > On 1/9/06, Richie wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Came across this article on PostGres movement. > > Joel,bushwack you guys might be interested > > > > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/15/1611251.shtml?tid=72 > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 14:43:01 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:43:01 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Sat Jan 14 10:25:48 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601131443i5d09bd68u71c9aea5312d7ee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C9422C.6090508@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Sun Jan 15 18:29:00 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:29:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what the discussion boards used to be. Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? - Joel (aka jrydbeck) -----Original Message----- From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of Mike Crowe Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From allan.bush at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 18:56:23 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:56:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601151856g75c221c8rd890ab4b83304af2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I'm here On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:45:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:45:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> almost nobody know there are mailing lists... AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... /sak On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > the discussion boards used to be. > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > Mike Crowe > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > >/sak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 12:15:57 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:15:57 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 16 13:43:46 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:43:46 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Message-ID: Richie, I thought you guys were freezing the forum --which would force discussion to move here. Right now its even more work to monitor both. - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Finjon Kiang Sent: Mon 1/16/2006 2:45 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? Most people like using forum. :) Anyway, I'm here. * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? -- Finjon Kiang On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > /sak > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Crowe > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > >/sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060116/55a31b56/attachment-0003.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 14:22:15 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:22:15 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? In-Reply-To: References: <49216030601161145p59bbccd8l258e2e7547969101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601161422l6588eb49ib8f5a2c51d41d53d@mail.gmail.com> yes please, richie, can you set the reply-to of the mailing list to "vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com" ? /sak On 1/16/06, Finjon Kiang wrote: > Most people like using forum. :) > > Anyway, I'm here. > > * Could anybody here set the 'reply-to' for this list?? > > -- > Finjon Kiang > > On 1/17/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > almost nobody know there are mailing lists... > > > > AFAIK, there is no mention on the website about this list... > > > > /sak > > > > On 1/15/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does this list seem fairly quiet compared with what > > > the discussion boards used to be. > > > > > > Anyway, Bushwack, are you on here? > > > > > > - Joel (aka jrydbeck) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of > > > Mike Crowe > > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:46 PM > > > To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] mike ? > > > > > > Yep, I am subscribed. I'm wrapping up it right now. > > > > > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > > > >mike (crowe), are you here ? on this mailing list ? > > > > > > > >btw, richie is asking you for the gettext patch... > > > > > > > >/sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 12:55:46 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:46 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] getText implementation Message-ID: <49216030601171255jde5255chd0c42c04eb363745@mail.gmail.com> mike, sorry to bother, but richie is asking you (in the forums): "Mike, is your alternate getText solution stable for integration into the core please? Richie" I guess you can reply here... regards, /sak pd: richie, are you on this list ?? From sergiokessler at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 13:29:00 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:29:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] CSS bar graph Message-ID: <49216030601171329q5a535d3ep54caebe82e53dac@mail.gmail.com> hey, maybe we can use CSS for the graphics... check the 'Vertical CSS Bar Graph' at http://apples-to-oranges.com/blog/article.aspx?id=55 /sak From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 07:24:54 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Urk, I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing a Quote. Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields - DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS - that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote is GET, not POST - meaning that all the data filled in in these two text fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) fails quietly - no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and everything works as normal. This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc as one giant tarball. Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the consequences of doing this? Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper for us. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060118/fc653e77/attachment-0005.html From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 08:30:39 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180830v6efc2d4dh7221acbecacbb491@mail.gmail.com> You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them are, the quote's one must have been over looked). The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from "get" to "post" (~line 39). On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Wed Jan 18 09:14:56 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> > Allan Bush wrote: > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > "get" to "post" (~line 39). Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? While we're at it: [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * Calendar/calendar_month.php: Calendar/calendar_week.php: Calendar/calendar_day.php: Home/index.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Import/ImportButton.php: Orders/EditView.html: Should any of these get changed too? DG From allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 09:57:40 2006 From: allan.bush+vtiger_dev at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:57:40 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F6@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601180957w354e675fn4a2ea9bbb9360bc@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > Allan Bush wrote: > > > You're right the form should be using post (and I think most of them > > are, the quote's one must have been over looked). > > > The good news for you is that's it's a really easy fix. In the file > > modules/Quotes/EditView.html simply change the form's method from > > "get" to "post" (~line 39). > > Yup. Confirmed and fixed. Thanks. > > Are you logging this somewhere so it is fixed in the next release? > > While we're at it: > > [modules]# grep -i -R 'method="get"' * > Calendar/calendar_month.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_week.php: method="GET" action="index.php"> > Calendar/calendar_day.php: action="index.php"> > Home/index.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="index.php"> > Import/ImportButton.php: action="export.php"> > Orders/EditView.html: action="index.php"> > > Should any of these get changed too? > > DG > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > The Orders one should probably be changed as well. The next release uses a very different approach for all these EditView.html files (they've been removed) which should help and reduce code repetition errors such as this. (sorry for sending this twice Dennis, they really need to fix the reply-to of this list) From sergiokessler at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 10:06:41 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:06:41 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] BUG: Maximum data limit in New Quote due to Transport Mechanism In-Reply-To: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> References: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F9010C4C50@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> Message-ID: <49216030601181006u4fbffc72k48c80400fc45195e@mail.gmail.com> according to the http standard: - all things that modify information (insert, update) should be made with POST, not with GET. - all things that do NOT modify information (select, view), should be made with GET. to solve the problem that some variables can be seen in the url bar (and you do not like that), I just simply encrypt and base64'd all the params... so you see a lot of garbage in the url /sak On 1/18/06, Dennis Grant wrote: > > > > Urk, > > > > I just had a user stumble across a rather insidious bug in creating/editing > a Quote. > > > > Quotes have two LONGTEXT fields ? DESCRIPTION and TERMS AND CONDITIONS ? > that they can fill in with arbitrary text. This is Sweet Crunchy Goodness, > as that ability meshes very well with our Quote generation paradigm. > > > > However, it appears that the transport mechanism for submitting a new Quote > is GET, not POST ? meaning that all the data filled in in these two text > fields are placed on the URL line, for which there is a maximum size. > > > > The symptom if the bug is that attempting to submit a Quote which contains > more data than is allowed (put a lot of text in one or both text boxes) > fails quietly ? no error message, no nothing. Delete enough of the data out > of the textbox to drop the size of the GET below this maximum, and > everything works as normal. > > > > This is on the default install of vTiger that comes with Apache, MySQL, etc > as one giant tarball. > > > > Should the transport mechanism in vTiger be changed to POST? What are the > consequences of doing this? > > > > Is there someone at vTiger who will take up this bug? It is a showstopper > for us. > > > > DG > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From allan.bush at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 09:50:07 2006 From: allan.bush at gmail.com (Allan Bush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:50:07 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] PostgreSQL integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bec26390601180950o771c8aa4h5371ddcbd298dffd@mail.gmail.com> Joel, Hope you don't mind if I send this conversation through the mailing list, I think it helps to encourage more input. I sent richie the changes required to get the installation process working for postgres, however I haven't seen them integrated into the CVS HEAD yet, I'm not sure what the status is on this happening. The rest of the work required should be fairly simple, the code base has quited down some what but I think we should wait until a feature complete beta release at least until starting (especially if it's going to take this long for changes to be ported). If mysql 5.0 (in strict mode) is going to be supported then pretty much all the changes needed for postgres will be: adding "AS" to all aliases and using ilike for case-insensitive comparisons, both of which can be accomplished by a regular expression (hopefully). On 1/18/06, Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Allan, > > I trust all is well with you. Any word yet from Richie on whether they > pulled your changes into 5.0? I've put my users on 4.2 and will likely stay > there until Postgres support is GA. > > - Joel From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 08:34:53 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:04:53 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI Message-ID: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the UI will evolve. thanks, Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment-0003.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vtCalendarAct2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73622 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/18749b6c/attachment-0003.jpg From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 12:44:33 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <994473020601191244i6fcd7016i6cf9cf0e94c703f6@mail.gmail.com> I think this is a nice look/layout. I also like the fact that you can chose to view ALL, or just Calls, or just Meetings, or just To Do's. This will help someone like myself that has a lot of To Do's and Calls, I will be able to sort through them without looking at meetings and such. Great Job! Jamie On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com < vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com> wrote: > > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/61e17d31/attachment-0003.html From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 12:46:34 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:46:34 +1000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <43CFFAAA.8060409@saucesoft.com> Who is the owner of the calendar features for V5? We've got WebCalendar and VTiger in our enviornment, and we're trying to answer the integrate vs interface question. Reason: shared calendar views, check availability, etc. vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the > UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and > also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The > Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and > Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, > where all your schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger > language) will be listed in one place. It has the facilities to > add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 13:18:02 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:18:02 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191318l7c5d0a28jd4756db255e3afa4@mail.gmail.com> all I can say is "wow !" saint, you rock my world ! /sak On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the alpha > theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for the UI, > but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme color, and also the > Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image attached. The Calendar and > Activities goes together now. In my view, calendar and Activities are > tightly coupled. And Activities is like a Planner book, where all your > schedules, calls, meetings and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be > listed in one place. It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 > activities.. (Call, Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, feature > requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the suggestions the > UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 13:20:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:20:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup Message-ID: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 14:56:59 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 14:58:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3bec26390601191458m16a45bcev47c81c4b9de9adfb@mail.gmail.com> Shut up fag On 1/19/06, Allan Bush wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Thu Jan 19 14:59:00 2006 From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com (vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:00 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3bec26390601191456yf024098xadf0599fac334fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49216030601191459l5be9ab72t1443bc77f64f2830@mail.gmail.com> jeje, yeah ! On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > I like it!! Anonymous posting, let the flame wars begin ;p > > On 1/19/06, vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > wrote: > > richie, > > > > now the reply-to is good, > > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > > > which is plainly wrong... > > > > /sak > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Thu Jan 19 21:30:00 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:30:00 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] test mail ignore please Message-ID: <108e64a5cdd.-3250335098778029299.7469722359878652479@@vtiger.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/4b8a434a/attachment-0005.html From richie at vtiger.com Thu Jan 19 21:33:55 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:33:55 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <108e64df7c4.-4412754091821777314.-6590670886335450492@@vtiger.com> Hi sak! I hope I got it right now! Please confirm. Richie ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- richie, now the reply-to is good, BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com which is plainly wrong... /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060119/1367b5e9/attachment-0003.html From sergiokessler at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 03:51:50 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:51:50 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] mailing list wrong setup In-Reply-To: <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> References: <49216030601191320m634d483ah61081a0fa09bc9c0@mail.gmail.com> <3882112397064591106@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <49216030601200351m5ab12a4cg6c5af494d77905fc@mail.gmail.com> hi richie, yup, I think you got it right this time ! ;-) cheers, /sak On 1/20/06, Richie wrote: > Hi sak! > > I hope I got it right now! > Please confirm. > > Richie > > > > ----vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote ---- > > > richie, > > now the reply-to is good, > BUT now all mails coming to the mailing list appears > From: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > > which is plainly wrong... > > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From developer at infointegrated.com Fri Jan 20 05:51:16 2006 From: developer at infointegrated.com (Brian Devendorf) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:51:16 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Updated Calendar UI In-Reply-To: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> References: <43CFBFAD.3020406@adventnet.com> Message-ID: <55DA45FC-9116-408C-BD6B-7B8E860D4DE5@infointegrated.com> Saint, The changes being done to the theme are amazing. Looking at the latest modifications, I understand the grouping of the Activities and Calendar, but was wondering what the added benefit was. It makes sense to group them together, but I don't see any other advantages. It looks like it would always require two clicks to get to the activities display. I love the new activities view, with this view, should it just replace the To Do sub-menu under My Home? Or, should there be a Calls, Meetings, and ToDo item? They would all go to the same display window with a different Showing: criteria selected. Your thoughts? Thanks, Brian On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:34 AM, vtigercrm- developers at lists.vtigercrm.com wrote: > It seems, people find the alpha's color theme to be good.. So the > alpha theme will get into GA named as "Alpha Gray". > > Next, I started working on a new blue-color based theme color for > the UI, but ended up doing two things. I came up with a theme > color, and also the Calendar UI got improved a bit. Refer the image > attached. The Calendar and Activities goes together now. In my > view, calendar and Activities are tightly coupled. And Activities > is like a Planner book, where all your schedules, calls, meetings > and To Dos (Tasks in vtiger language) will be listed in one place. > It has the facilities to add/edit/delete the 3 activities.. (Call, > Meeting & ToDo). > > Please go through the attached image and send in your feedbacks, > feature requests etc. FYI, the UI is still infant.. so based on the > suggestions the UI will evolve. > > thanks, > Saint > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Matt From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Fri Jan 20 09:29:31 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:31 +0000 GMT Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Matthew, Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Brichacek Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 To:Vtiger Devel List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into this when I try to access the CVS area: Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 20 09:37:46 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1137777894.16376.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10691721.1137778146238.JavaMail.teamon@bda047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1137778667.16376.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> No worries, I'll just keep working on the project admin stuff for now. New forge looks good BTW. Matt On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 17:29 +0000, Mike Crowe wrote: > Matthew, > Will do. I hadn't officially finished. Today, I got the file uploads working for the first time. > Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Brichacek > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:24:54 > To:Vtiger Devel List > Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Problems accessing CVS in vtigerforge > > I was working on getting a few projects posted to the forge and ran into > this when I try to access the CVS area: > Problem contacting server cvs.sourceforge.net : HTTP/1.1 502 Proxy Error > > Can someone with forge knowledge look into this? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers From kiange at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 12:51:48 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:51:48 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems Message-ID: I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 20 20:06:49 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:06:49 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Please fix some ... problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108eb249690.5336529970365320349.977843371556770271@@vtiger.com> Dear Finjon Kiang, Thank you for notifying the error in latest download links. I have fixed the links. Our team will look into the other issue that you have mentioned. Thanks, Gopal ----kiange at gmail.com wrote ---- I forgot there's a mailing list...^^|| I posted a message here: http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=5070 1. In the following url: http://www.vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 Please fix the links in 'Latest Downloads'. They are the same with 4.2 right now, although it said that's 5.0 alpha. Smile 2. Please re-package the source of 5.0 alpha with 'Export' option or using ':pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vtigercrm' as the CVS root. I think most of us are not developers and don't have the password of 'jerrydgeorge'. -- Finjon Kiang _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please reply to my address in addition to the list since I'm not subscribed to the list. Mike From rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com Sat Jan 21 05:48:06 2006 From: rajeshsundaram at adventnet.com (Rajesh Sundaram K) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:18:06 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D23B96.4000709@adventnet.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0005.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/ae27092d/attachment-0005.jpe From saint at vtiger.com Sat Jan 21 04:56:13 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (saint) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:26:13 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Message-ID: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. *What you need to do? *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. *What is this Card sorting method?* Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. *What will you get in return?* The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) *What will we do with this data? *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. *vtiger Modules * Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0005.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cardsorting.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060121/15b6d7fc/attachment-0003.jpg From jlee at zertis.net Sat Jan 21 07:51:54 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:51:54 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you > would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting > method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to > have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. > > *What you need to do? > *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a > coke and do this sorting method. > > > *What is this Card sorting method?* > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and > group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card > with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you > have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under > each group. > > *What will you get in return?* > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > *What will we do with this data? > *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > *vtiger Modules > * > > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > * > * > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From saint at vtiger.com Sun Jan 22 03:49:33 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:19:33 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> <43D2589A.5070508@zertis.net> Message-ID: <43D3714D.2050300@vtiger.com> Yes, you can put the same card in two groups ! Josh Lee wrote: >Would you allow them to put the same card in two groups? > >saint wrote: > > > >>Team, >> >>We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you >>would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting >>method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to >>have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. >> >>*What you need to do? >>*Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a >>coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >>*What is this Card sorting method?* >>Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >>According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >>paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >>image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >>group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes >>and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be >>grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module >>needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card >>with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you >>have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under >>each group. >> >>*What will you get in return?* >>The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >>vtiger About page. :-) >> >>*What will we do with this data? >>*With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >>grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >>*vtiger Modules >>* >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >>If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >>Have a great Weekend! >> >>- Saint >> >> >> >> >>* >>* >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). Notes: Should support categories including personal notes for each individual on the system. Tabs: Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". Home: The items that appear on the default page should be configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, but should be a future feature. Overall GUI: The system already is designed with two levels of menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. Initial results from Card Sort: My initial results had many items under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area along the left column which is always visible with My Home items. As these are likely the most frequently used by users. The My Home area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, Inventory, and Settings (for admin). Sales: Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, Invoice Support: Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email Marketing: Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email Reports: Dashboard, Reports Inventory: Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the My Home items to make them more easily identifiable. ? On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > Team, > > We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that > you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card- > Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users > wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes > for this. > > What you need to do? > Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab > a coke and do this sorting method. > > > What is this Card sorting method? > Refer this image, and read below. > > > > > According to this method, the names of the modules are written on > paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the > image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/ > sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes > and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be > grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module > needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new > card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure > that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and > modules under each group. > > What will you get in return? > The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the > vtiger About page. :-) > > What will we do with this data? > With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module > grouping and implement in the GA release. > > vtiger Modules > Activities > FAQ > Contacts > Potentials > Quotes > Calendar > Email > Purchase Order > Leads > Accounts > Helpdesk > Sales Order > Pricebooks > Notes > Dashboard > Products > Reports > Invoice > Vendors > If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and > sort. :-) > > Have a great Weekend! > > - Saint > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The easiest way to achieve this of course, is to add all modules to all tabs and have an admin console that allows for modules to be turned off within a specific tab.... but that's for further debate. One of the problems with any solution, is that different markets, different types of companies and (even) different countries, mean that our clients have a very mixed set of requirements and one of the benefits of having all of the modules as Tabs, gives a level of flexibility that can work for most people.... therefore any loss of this flexibility is going to be a backwards step. We have over 150 CRM installs of different systems, some of these vTiger specific, most of these our legacy CRM solutions, and one thing that stands out is that 80% of the solution is the same as the next guy, and 20% is 'configured/bespoke/customised'. The problem is the 20% can often be different. My example is simple : Some of our clients are not big enough to understand the difference between Marketing and Sales, particularly if there are only two sales people and they handle all of the lead generation themselves (therefore they are Marketing and Sales). In this scenario they would want to be able have a single tab - Sales - that has Leads, Opportunities and their sales orders (plus the obvious other modules).. rather than these modules appearing in different places..... What this means is that we need the ability to configure the tabs, to show whatever modules are required... but if I was pushed, I would want the option to be able to display (or NOT) any of the following, under their tabs... By the way ... The idea of making changes to the Activity screens, as Brian suggested is a great idea and probably should not be overlooked, as it will bring added functionality to the application. We feel that an add on module similar to My Home is a must have and have developed a desktop tool bar that offers this functionality which has been commercially available for a while, although on our legacy systems. It is called ViewPoint and we have been using this self authored .NET application on all of our systems, to help productivity... so we agree that something along the My Home idea may be very useful.. Anyway.. here goes... One fundamental difference in what we have seen and what we would like (utopia here we come) is the addition of a TAB for Admin or Tracking.... this is because we (and other clients) as a company, need an administrative function to track our sales orders, Purchase orders, quotes, Invoices, Global Activities, Vendor activity and others... so we feel there should be some suitable named TAB that allows for this sort of information to be tracked. This is quite important for us, as our clients will have a sales cycle that is inclusive of the sales personnel and then the tracking or processing will be handled by someone in ADMIN, especially if sales people are 'on the road' a lot. Just a thought. Sales : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Sales Orders, Price Books, Dashboard, Notes, Products. Support : Accounts, Contacts, Helpdesk, **contracts**, FAQ, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard (support focus) and Notes. Marketing : Leads, Accounts, Contacts, Opportunities, Quotes, Activities, Calendar, Dashboard, Notes Tracking : Sales Orders, Purchase orders, Quotes, Opportunities, **documentation**, Activities, Vendors, Invoices. Other tabs... agree in principle as they stand. So in summary... what is different in this proposal.... 1. Allow all modules to be available from all tabs and give a console to turn on and off 2. Add new TAB that allows for the Non sales or Non Support personnel - tracking from an admin person, who is responsible for just doing this work. 3. Consider Contracts for support 4. Consider how we will handle documentation that may need tracking... terms and conditions (bespoke document) that has a deadline or dependency for other triggers and workflow in the system. 5. Agree with Brian's view that some form of Desktop menu/side bar/ toolbar is a good idea, especially if this is configurable.. Enough for now.. if you managed to digest and read this far.. I hope it makes some sense... because this is so important to us all, thank you for letting us comment. It probably goes without saying, that if any of these diatribes produce any work that we can assist with... please let me know... I am happy (as always) to dedicate whatever resources we can to our common goal. Regards Graham Graham Anderson Managing Director Software Add-ons t. +44 (0)8452 303083 e. grahama at add-ons.co.uk ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com [mailto:vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com] On Behalf Of saint Sent: 21 January 2006 12:56 To: Developers List Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping Team, We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few minutes for this. What you need to do? Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab a coke and do this sorting method. What is this Card sorting method? Refer this image, and read below. According to this method, the names of the modules are written on paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and modules under each group. What will you get in return? The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the vtiger About page. :-) What will we do with this data? With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module grouping and implement in the GA release. vtiger Modules Activities FAQ Contacts Potentials Quotes Calendar Email Purchase Order Leads Accounts Helpdesk Sales Order Pricebooks Notes Dashboard Products Reports Invoice Vendors If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) Have a great Weekend! - Saint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5e98f0d/attachment-0003.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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MikeF From saint at vtiger.com Mon Jan 23 01:22:48 2006 From: saint at vtiger.com (Saint) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:52:48 +0530 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Invitation : Tabs & Modules Grouping In-Reply-To: References: <43D22F6D.40806@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43D4A068.1030607@vtiger.com> Brian, Thanks for your time and effort. That's an excellent observation. Great work! Team, The results of one card-sort test is available now. Let's see what others think of an ideal CRM application's tab structure and suggestions. Send in the results of your card-sort test. Your inputs will definitely make v5 a great product to use. :-) cheers, Saint Brian Devendorf wrote: > I took this concept and decided to design my ideal CRM application. A > couple of ideas for existing modules first: > *Mail: *Currently, Webmail is personal mail, and Mail is CRM mail. CRM > mail should support two separate mail accounts: sales & support. These > accounts would be setup separately and viewed separately. Email should > be the current webmail with send functionality very similar to the > current implementation. > *Contacts:* There should be filtering support based on a few criteria. > Public contact (meaning public to the company), personal (to the > individual), and employee (to maintain an enterprise directory). > *Notes:* Should support categories including personal notes for each > individual on the system. > *Tabs: *Should be fully configurable as to which modules appear under > which tabs, though I have a default recommendation from my "card-sort". > *Home:* The items that appear on the default page should be > configurable by the individuals... this is likely a lot of extra work, > but should be a future feature. > *Overall GUI:* The system already is designed with two levels of > menus. This should be leveraged to provide every module necessary. Any > additional tabs or selectors should only be to change the data view, > or filter applied. The more items are buried, the harder they are to find. > > *Initial results from Card Sort: *My initial results had many items > under each tab (as they would be beneficial to everyone). After > thinking about it for a while, I came up with a new layout that I > thought better fit my ideas (mock-up below). It includes a new area > along the left column which is always visible with *My Home* items. As > these are likely the most frequently used by users. > > The *My Home* area contains: Dashboard, Email, Calendar, Meetings, > Calls, To Do, Contacts, and Notes. > The tabs across the top would be: Sales, Support, Marketing, Reports, > Inventory, and Settings (for admin). > *Sales: *Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Order, Purchase Order, > Invoice > *Support:* Help Desk, FAQ, Products, Accounts, Support Email > *Marketing:* Leads, Potentials, Accounts, Pricebooks, Quotes, Sales Email > *Reports: *Dashboard, Reports > *Inventory: *Products, Vendors, Accounts, Sales Order > > In the mock-up below, the Meetings, Calls, and To Do items could > easily be replaced with a single Activities item. Sometimes, though, > it is easier to have these items separated, as it is easier to > associate a phone call with Calls then it is as a Calls filter under > Activities. Also, Ideally there should be icons for the *My > Home* items to make them more easily identifiable. > > > > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:56 AM, saint wrote: > >> Team, >> >> We would like to understand better, the order of tabs/modules that >> you would like to see in vtiger. We are planning to use the >> Card-Sorting method to find out the groups/order of tabs that most >> users wishes to have. We request all in this list to spend a few >> minutes for this. >> >> *What you need to do? >> *Just spend a few minutes of your leisure time. Get a coffee or grab >> a coke and do this sorting method. >> >> >> *What is this Card sorting method?* >> Refer this image, and read below. >> >> >> >> >> According to this method, the names of the modules are written on >> paper cards and shuffled, collectively the "Unsorted cards" in the >> image. Then the users need to pick up the modules (cards) and >> group/sort them with some relation. Say for ex. Leads, Contact, >> Quotes and Potentials can be grouped under Sales. Helpdesk and FAQ >> can be grouped under Support. Sometimes, you may feel a particular >> module needs to appear on other groups too. No problem, just add a >> new card with the same module name in that group. Once you are sure >> that you have grouped all modules, send us the Group names and >> modules under each group. >> >> *What will you get in return?* >> The Names of those who give feedback, will be given credits in the >> vtiger About page. :-) >> >> *What will we do with this data? >> *With this help, we will identify the most common pattern of module >> grouping and implement in the GA release. >> >> *vtiger Modules >> * >> >> Activities >> FAQ >> Contacts >> Potentials >> Quotes >> Calendar >> Email >> Purchase Order >> Leads >> Accounts >> Helpdesk >> Sales Order >> Pricebooks >> Notes >> Dashboard >> Products >> Reports >> Invoice >> Vendors >> >> If i have left any module (!!) please add that to the list and sort. :-) >> >> Have a great Weekend! >> >> - Saint >> >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gforge appears to be a much more focused platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Sergio A. Kessler Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge mike, I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ for the vtigerforge... cheers, /sak _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f29515df/attachment-0003.html From kiange at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 13:05:04 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:05:04 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think gforge is much more stable than xoopsforge. I used to be a user for both system. But gforge needs lots of technical skills to implement. -- Finjon Kiang On 1/24/06, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 13:19:26 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Everybody's a critic... :-D gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much easier and quicker to set up. Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >for the vtigerforge... > >cheers, >/sak > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 23 13:46:23 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54EAF.4020601@zertis.net> I just switch to Subversion from cvs. WOW! I use TortoiseSVN on my windows box, just WOW! I will never again use cvs. Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 13:32:17 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D54B61.8090909@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From sergiokessler at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 13:49:03 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:49:03 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Message-ID: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, I know you have your reasons, your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) /sak On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > Everybody's a critic... :-D > > gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much > easier and quicker to set up. > > Mike > > Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > >mike, > > > >I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > >for the vtigerforge... > > > >cheers, > >/sak > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 14:30:08 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Why not gforge (for the record!) In-Reply-To: <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49216030601231242v84484d6qee884b28ecc0ebd3@mail.gmail.com> <43D5485E.7060204@mikeandkellycrowe.com> <49216030601231349k4dbcf1f3i524e9a6650699ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D558F0.5040908@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Sergio, I didn't take it wrong. I knew how you meant it! :D OK, I do want to address the "Why not gForge!" question. First off, as most of us are part-timers on this project, or the time we offer is. Second, being the geek I am, I install stuff like this just to learn how to do these things. My home server was a test bed, and it is Gentoo based. My laptop is Ubuntu, kids machines are Mepis, and I've done the Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva thing. Overall, emerge beats apt/yum/urpmi and all the other installation tools hands down. Not to start a flame war, but to explain: All I had to do was: emerge gforge and it was installed. Then I got into the setup, and here's some points: 1) gforge is not a cohesive program, as much as it is multiple (5-6) different programs loosly glued together. 2) Documentation is OK, but setup was extensive and very detailed. It was not a simple process at all. After a couple of days, I gave up. Folks, I don't give up easily. Let's rephrase that as a time/benefit analysis was done (in my head) and I decided to punt. Surprisingly, there are not many "forges" out there. However, you may be seeing more and more of Novell forge, which is based on myXoopsForge. It had all the elements I was looking for: MySQL compatible, relatively easy to install, etc. FWIW! Mike Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >mike, do not take this as a critic, just a curiosity, >I know you have your reasons, >your work in vtiger is invaluable and we all know this... ;-) > >/sak > >On 1/23/06, Mike Crowe wrote: > > >>Everybody's a critic... :-D >> >>gforge based on postgres. Absolute beast to set up. This was much >>easier and quicker to set up. >> >>Mike >> >>Sergio A. Kessler wrote: >> >> >> >>>mike, >>> >>>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>>for the vtigerforge... >>> >>>cheers, >>>/sak >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com Mon Jan 23 15:19:27 2006 From: Joel.Rydbeck at nubrek.com (Joel Rydbeck) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: Mike, I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. Best Regards, - Joel ________________________________ From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Joel, I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I absolutely want you playing with the system. Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: > Mike, > > I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused > platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into > new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). > > In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an > account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. > > Regards, > > - Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of > Sergio A. Kessler > *Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM > *To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > *Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > mike, > > I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ > for the vtigerforge... > > cheers, > /sak > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/c5bce46a/attachment-0003.html From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 15:43:38 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:43:38 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D56A2A.5060509@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Joel, I really didn't take it as "coming down on me". Since the Panthers got creamed by Seattle last night, it's easy to be an arm-chair quarterback. I really wanted to nip the Why not gForge in the bud. Further, this forge is far from perfect. I've already invested a boat-load of time, and can see investing even more to get it solid. What I really need is volunteers willing to share this burden. I'm seeing in every project I do: The first 90% takes 10% of the time. That last 10% is what kills you, and that's the part that I'm asking for help on now. I'll give you a for-instance: I created a project called vtigerforge where we can enter bugs with the site and put in feature requests. The damn trackers aren't working. I'm in a ssh shell now trying to figure out why the SQL statements don't work. Those are the types of things I wish I had backup on. :-[ No worries, though. No hurt feelings on my side. Mike Joel Rydbeck wrote: >Mike, > >I'm sorry it ended up looking like the group came down on you there. Feel free to open discussions on this up to the group --we do have varying skills and I think its helpful for the difficulties to be exposed to the group as a whole rather than just an individual. Directionally, it might not be a bad idea as it will force the group discuss what we're looking for in a forge tool. > >Attached is the error I receive a lot on the vtigerforge.org site. Additionally, it says my user is created and all, but when I go to login it doesn't recognize me. I tried the 'Forgot Password' route, but it doesn't seem to know me there either. > >Best Regards, > >- Joel > >________________________________ > >From: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of Mike Crowe >Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 4:00 PM >To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge > > > >Joel, > >I need people using the system to find these issues, so yes, I >absolutely want you playing with the system. > >Please provide details of your errors. Initially, the sendmail wasn't >configured correctly, but I fixed that this morning. > >Mike > > >Joel Rydbeck wrote: > > > >>Mike, >> >>I'm curious as well. Gforge appears to be a much more focused >>platform for opensource environments and would allow us to expand into >>new technologies (i.e. Subversion, etc). >> >>In the background, I'm getting errors when I try to create an >>account...not sure if you're ready for us to start playing. >> >>Regards, >> >>- Joel >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>*From:* vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com on behalf of >>Sergio A. Kessler >>*Sent:* Mon 1/23/2006 3:01 PM >>*To:* vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>*Subject:* [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge >> >>mike, >> >>I was wondering why you used xoops instead of http://gforge.org/ >>for the vtigerforge... >> >>cheers, >>/sak >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>vtigercrm-developers mailing list >>vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >>http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Mon Jan 23 16:32:49 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Site features/bugs section Message-ID: <43D575B1.2060106@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, I've started a Features request section of vtigerforge. URL is: Enhancement Requests It is now on the left menu below the main menu. Please add, *or volunteer* to help with these items. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060123/f77f8d5a/attachment-0005.html From dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com Tue Jan 24 07:56:26 2006 From: dgrant at accuratetechnologies.com (Dennis Grant) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Where does the date entry field on Quotes live? Message-ID: <3E26E7A199CABA49822B3E6B741434F97D08F7@exch.accuratetechnologies.com> One of those things that *should* be easy, but is proving to be a serious PITA... I have an open ticket that the Expiration Date on a New Quote be set to "current date + 30 days", instead of "current date" as it is now. This should just be a case of finding the assignment of the default value to the current date, and doing a dateAdd of +30days to it. 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URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060124/aab22588/attachment-0003.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 01:52:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Message-ID: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> hi all, i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >question. > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >switch to svn. > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > and probably some guidelines. thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go back definitively from novell forge choice ? cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 04:07:30 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:07:30 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> hi fathi, vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare time) so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a solid help proposal... are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger ? just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > > > > a bit history (feel free to correct me) > > > > myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > > it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > > > > novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > > also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > > > > beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > > > > i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >question. > > > > clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > > > > i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > > i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > > for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >switch to svn. > > > > we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > > and probably some guidelines. > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 06:17:47 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > time) like all of us. > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want a constructive discussion. we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we go, communicate. > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > solid help proposal... > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > ? i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", you have it. > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... you probably misunderstand my message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) so here is the consensus : first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the amount of projects to be hosted. waiting for your answers :) another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. second, a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop novellforge like this. the roadmap : 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge 2) setup gforge on local test platform 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. cheers, Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 12:23:06 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:23:06 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) I also agree with the subversion idea... > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? interesting question... ;-) I don't know if the current status of the system (vtiger) warrant a forge, but some people wanted it... /sak On 1/26/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > first of all, my mail isn't a flame war. > > > vtigerforge was installed by mike crowe, > > mike is a volunteer member of vtiger (ie. he does things in *their* spare > > time) > > like all of us. > > > so we cannot tell him what to do or what not to do, we can have > > different opinions on what is better (I also would have prefered > > gforge), but whoever finally does the job is who pick the choices... > > i understand what mike have done and want to give my advice as anyone. i want > a constructive discussion. > > we cannot tell what to do or what not to do ? i don't really understand why. > ATM, it's like anarchy, each person works in his corner, it's a problem. > We need someone (richie, gopal, ...) to tell us what we are doing, where we > go, communicate. > > > so maybe (and just maybe, it depends on mike) we have time to consider > > gforge, but for the consideration to be valid you have to offer a > > solid help proposal... > > > > are you willing to install, setup and *mantain* a gforge system for vtiger > > ? > > i didn't come to say, throw away current solution. i just say : is there a > possibillity for discussion about vtigerforge ? > > if there's a place for discussion, i'll do a solid proposal. > if you wait for a "i can install, setup and maintain a gforge system", > you have it. > > > just telling mike "use gforge!", IMO, will not work ... > > you probably misunderstand my message. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > while i'm writing this mail, mike connected :) > so here is the consensus : > > first, do you really want a vtigerforge ? and if the answer is yes, do we need > a system like gforge or just a system like novellforge, sufficient for the > amount of projects to be hosted. > > waiting for your answers :) > > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. > > second, > > a) we (mike and me) want to push for subversion as our version control system. > b) mike is ok for an investigation on gforge issue, but we can't drop > novellforge like this. > > the roadmap : > 1) implement subversion for vtigerforge > 2) setup gforge on local test platform > 3) when ready try to push on vtiger hosting > > if we are fast enough, we drop first issue. > > cheers, > > Fathi > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 12:31:00 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:31:00 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi From sergiokessler at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 12:51:10 2006 From: sergiokessler at gmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:51:10 -0300 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > From richie at vtiger.com Thu Jan 26 22:38:24 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:38:24 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Hello Team! Good to know that we have an active discussion on here. Mike and myself had discussed using gforge and it is a beast to work with. As we are all working on this together, Mike has volunteered to get the forge running. The easiest to get to work was the current one he is using. Having said that, we had also asked for earlier suggestions for forge but we did not get many easy to use systems. Mike, on his own initiative found out the current solution and has done admirably till now. I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why not proceed with it? Fahi, I do understand your point and Sak was just pointing out the facts that had occured before you joined the list. We are in this together and there is no sole ownership. We just chip in whatever we can, whenever we can. Mike has high regards for everyone over here and we actively look forward to help Mike out with the cvs/svn. Mike has a free hand there. Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to keep us guys updated. So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! In Mike +! Richie ----sergiokessler at gmail.com wrote ---- does it require ldap ?? it can't be used without it ? /sak On 1/26/06, Joe Stewart wrote: > Fathi Boudra wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > > > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell > >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. > >> > >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) > >> > >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. > >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his > >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. > >> > >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). > >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to > >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. > >> > >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative > >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. > >> > >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this > >>question. > >> > >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. > >> > >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, > >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was > >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. > >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to > >>switch to svn. > >> > >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, > >>and probably some guidelines. > > > > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > > > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > > > later, > > Joe > > > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > > > cheers, > > > > Fathi > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060126/33043567/attachment-0005.html From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 13:33:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601260407x557a3095sea88436e62dba6ef@mail.gmail.com> <200601261517.47171.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261223p2d91ad62ndb1817f3a3a5358a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D9401B.8090400@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > I can help with postgres (if that make any difference...) > not for the moment, but it's noted :) thanks From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 13:47:35 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:35 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <43D94377.6010007@free.fr> Joe Stewart a ?crit : > > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard > to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The > maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. > > But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it > scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the > past. > > I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. > > Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This > may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the > same. > i'm a debian user/maintainer, my local test platform are sarge and sid. christian bayle have pre packaged current gforge. i have contact with roland mas, the current maintainer and already installed gforge in the past. i'm totally agree with you about "gforge scales for future needs". we are all convinced that gforge is a more powerfull solution than novell forge From fboudra at free.fr Thu Jan 26 13:51:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D94461.1030607@free.fr> Sergio A. Kessler a ?crit : > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > no, ldap isn't an absolute requirement. we can use gforge without it. in 3.x series, authentification was in ldap. but now, in 4.x series, authentification can be in postgresql. From joestewart at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 26 16:31:14 2006 From: joestewart at users.sourceforge.net (Joe Stewart) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <43D93184.7010403@users.sourceforge.net> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > does it require ldap ?? > it can't be used without it ? > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built to use ldap. the setup asks the questions to setup slapd. You shouldn't have to mess with it. Joe > /sak > From mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com Thu Jan 26 14:18:06 2006 From: mike at mikeandkellycrowe.com (Mike Crowe) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] [Re: vtigerforge] Message-ID: <43D94A9E.4070109@mikeandkellycrowe.com> Folks, You're killing me! Everybody's missing the point on this. Gforge installed easily. I thought I could emerge it and set it up quick. Configuring for what we need was difficult for someone with no gforge experience. I'm sure the debian package installs easily. Gentoo installs gforge easy. As I said before, I'm not a n00n at this. Fathi says he will need 1-2 weeks to set gforge up. That's how it always is. Matching themes, making the instruction pages reference the correct project pages, etc. Nobody here is thinking about that last 5% which takes the most time. I set up owl to try and get the community started. I created VIP as a way we could distribute mods. Fathi did the right thing. He has offered his time to set up gforge. I welcome it, despite my time invested in the current product. Gforge is better. Please, help is make vtiger better. Donate time. Donate software. Open source will only survive is we all pitch in. I'm not upset with wanting a better forge. But please, don't spent time like this wishing I'd given my 2-3 weeks of free evening time to something nobody else has stepped up to do. My blogs are trying to teach things I have learned. Contribute! Community! That's who we need to be. Joe, just cause you were the straw, I'm not directing this at you. I'm not mad. I want more of these great ideas implemented. I've learned that I had to step up for results here. Let's all do that. :D Flame on! :) Mike ( boy have I had a pissy day ) Crowe ------Original Message------ From: Joe Stewart Sender: vtigercrm-developers-bounces at lists.vtigercrm.com To: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com ReplyTo: vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com Sent: Jan 26, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge Fathi Boudra wrote: > hi all, > > i've done a post on the forum as i didn't see this previous thread : > >>i searched the forums to find how/why we have chosen myxoopsforge/novell >>forge for vtiger forge and didn't find a clear answer to my question. >> >>a bit history (feel free to correct me) >> >>myxoopsforge is built on top of xoops a CMS. >>it's a young project, relatively not widespread, based on a project that his >>primary goal isn't to be a collaborative development environment. >> >>novell forge is based on xoopsforge (built also on top of xoops). >>also, it's a young project, relatively not widespread, hacked by novell to >>support novell feature like ichain and edirectory. >> >>beside these solutions, we have well known widespread project collaborative >>development environment like gforge or savannah/gna. >> >>i don't really understant this choice. thanks, if someone can answer to this >>question. >> >>clearly, i would like to use a professional environment like gforge. >> >>i saw many question about version control system to use and for this, >>i would like to support subversion. From my point of view, cvs was >>deprecated. We have more and more projects switching from cvs to svn. >>for new projects, nobody use cvs, and for people using it, it's easy to >>switch to svn. >> >>we need a clear choice for these tools from vtiger core team, >>and probably some guidelines. > > > thanks to sergio to point me here. after reading the "Why not gforge (for the > record!)" thread, i found other peoples feeling like me. > > to resume, we didn't use gforge because it's difficult to setup. > Only to chime in on this point. The debian gforge packages are not hard to install. The hardest part is answering the ldap questions. The maintainers have been packaging sourceforge for a long time and it shows. But it does take more support than a more simple solution. And it scales for future needs. I have installed and maintained gforge in the past. I know Mike said he was using Gentoo but just wanted to clarify this point. Does xoopsforge provide for vhosts per project? Or shell access? This may be something to consider. I know it has a wiki, but that isn't the same. later, Joe > is it possible to discuss at this progress state of vtigerforge or we can't go > back definitively from novell forge choice ? > > cheers, > > Fathi _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Mike Crowe Sr. Field Sales Engineer ELCOM 3030 Naomi Dr. Clover, SC 29710 Phone: (803) 831-9050 Fax: (704) 973-7910 mike.crowe at elcomsales.com http://www.elcomsales.com/ ( note new email address ) From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 00:13:15 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:13:15 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <43D969D2.30505@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <200601270913.16232.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 01:31, Joe Stewart a ?crit : > I have run it without it, but ldap really ties it all together. There > were some limitations, but I disabled it after using ldap at install > time. ldap or not is a config item, but the debian packages were built > to use ldap. not in 4.5.3 last unofficial debian release. cheers, fathi From fboudra at free.fr Fri Jan 27 00:35:21 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi Boudra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:35:21 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always > move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. > > I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their > hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. > > Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make > do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a > different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed > a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why > not proceed with it? > > Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to > keep us guys updated. > > So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! hi, you seems to have missed this thread : http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html and what i don't have is : > another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have > postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this > issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this (mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your feelings ? In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue with current forge. cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 00:41:17 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From richie at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 00:53:14 2006 From: richie at vtiger.com (Richie) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:53:14 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtigerforge In-Reply-To: <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601261052.29246.fboudra@free.fr> <49216030601261251u147481adna044f65cf8316d38@mail.gmail.com> <1090a9584fe.-6128093920483770395.3931239901556749588@@vtiger.com> <200601270935.21513.fboudra@free.fr> <43D9DCAD.5020004@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090b10f4ff.5697312263588696717.-5855809778261626224@@vtiger.com> Hi Team! Whatever is convenient is ok. Mike just pmed me and said he was okay with working with Fathi on the gforge. I did go through the thread Fathi, thank you though.Fathi, I just feel that we should always consider the person who has put in his heart out on something and it is not right to just brush it off without having a good fight on it. But, as I said, if Mike is okay, then all is fine. If the only drawback is lack of postgres on the forge machine, go ahead and install it. If that is an issue, let me know and I will try and have it installed from here itself. I agree Fathi we have more options now. If Mike and team feel it is good to have gforge with cvs/svn after dropping the current setup, then please do feel free. Mike, Fathi if there be any more queries, you can reach me by phone. Richie ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- Hi all, i think it's not a shame to discuss novell/gforge solutions. Nobody attack mike personnaly, and all of us know mike good job. At this point, you need to take the best decision, for longtimes. When fathi or others are spectic for novell forge, mike isn't in cause, like said, all of us know mike nice job. Mike make what he can, and give lot of time for the project. Let's have a discussion for the best solution, nobody is in cause. this is my 2 cents, and apologizes for my english (all of us know my nice english ;-) ) A?ssa Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >Le Vendredi 27 Janvier 2006 07:38, Richie a ?crit : > > >>I would suggest that we get the forge up and running and then we can always >>move to svn or some better system that comes along in due course of time. >> >>I would request whoever can help Mike to please stand up and raise their >>hands so that it takes off some load off Mike. >> >>Please note, it is a question of convenience right now and we have to make >>do with what we have. On hindsight, it always seem better to have a >>different solution but that is 'after' things have happened. When we needed >>a solution, we did not get any and Mike happened to make one work. So why >>not proceed with it? >> >>Mike can appoint whoever he wants to appoint to help him. He just needs to >>keep us guys updated. >> >>So, looking forward to Mike's forge getting GA! >> >> > >hi, > >you seems to have missed this thread : >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/2006-January/000067.html > >and what i don't have is : > > >>another issue, the most important, is vtiger hosting platform didn't have >>postgresql. Without postgresql we can drop gforge idea. To resolve this >>issue, we need the agreement from the interested ones. >> >> > >mike is agree for gforge and we seems to have people who want help for this >(mike, sergio, joe, and me). We can have it fast. > >But without postgresql on vtiger hosting platform, we don't need to talk for >nothing or start working on my gforge test platform. > >As i understand, you recommend to work on novell forge/vtigerforge to >implement subversion and after, you're not very clear, can you precise your >feelings ? > >In the past, we don't have different solution, but things have changed. >At this point, we don't have vtigerforge fully operational. >We can take a decision, go back or not, and we need to do it now or continue >with current forge. > >cheers, > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there still significant activity on this project ? so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? the questions were already asked : cycle release ? naming scheme ? cheers, Fathi From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 06:11:22 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:11:22 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > From gopals at vtiger.com Fri Jan 27 06:54:46 2006 From: gopals at vtiger.com (Gopal) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:54:46 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> Message-ID: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Hello, I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by tomorrow. Thanks, Gopal ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- I agree, lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also roadmap to know the future.... Fathi Boudra a ?crit : >hi all, > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks nice, but my >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only ran to July >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? >> >> > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > >the questions were already asked : >cycle release ? >naming scheme ? > >cheers, > >Fathi >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060127/a4bb3f78/attachment-0005.html From webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org Fri Jan 27 06:59:43 2006 From: webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org (Webmaster) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] roadmap not updated In-Reply-To: <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> References: <200601271458.53645.fboudra@free.fr> <43DA2A0A.9080409@vtigercrmfrance.org> <1090c5bf355.-5546369443281423831.-9006138970387399527@@vtiger.com> Message-ID: <43DA355F.1080606@vtigercrmfrance.org> This is a very good news gopal. Gopal a ?crit : > Hello, > > I am preparing the update roadmap document. Will update in Site by > tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Gopal > > > > > ----webmaster at vtigercrmfrance.org wrote ---- > > I agree, > lot of users on french forum ask for roadmap, customers look also > roadmap to know the future.... > > Fathi Boudra a ?crit : > > >hi all, > > > >an ubuntu user send me an email right now : > > > > > >>I have been looking at vtiger for a few hours now. It looks > nice, but my > >>biggest concern is that when I looked at the Road Map it only > ran to July > >>last year. Is there still significant activity on this project ? > >> > >> > > > >so it could be a good idea to update the roadmap. > >also clarify what's 4.5 and 5.x development version ? > > > >the questions were already asked : > >cycle release ? > >naming scheme ? > > > >cheers, > > > >Fathi > >_______________________________________________ > >vtigercrm-developers mailing list > >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vtigercrm-developers mailing list > vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com > http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Fri Jan 27 13:24:54 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:24:54 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] Plans for future stable 4.2.x releases? Message-ID: <43DA8FA6.9070805@mikefedyk.com> Hi, For the last few days I have been going through the forums looking for fixes to little problems that look interesting and several qualify for integration into the stable release IMO. The "single quote in description removes lead during conversion" bug is also a show stopper. I know most of the resources are being put into the next major release right now, but I think the 4.2.x tree needs a few more bug fix releases. Is there anyone willing to work with me on maintaining the 4.2.x tree or at least review the bug fixes that I gather together so a new bug fix release can be made? Mike (There always has to be at least one Mike) Fedyk From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Fri Jan 27 18:49:23 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <1138416563.20472.25.camel@ubuntu> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 11:14:37 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> This email is sent from the new webmail interface... Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. Matt In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails interface. Done: Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. List view, detail view, attachments download script webmails.php class for easier code re-use Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / threads) Todo: Finish thread views Entity relationship logic Search functions Later todos (after initial check-in) Filters POP?? the post with screen shots is @ http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. Matt _______________________________________________ vtigercrm-developers mailing list vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/0fa1489f/attachment-0003.html From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Mon Jan 30 13:29:53 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE8551.7060502@mikefedyk.com> There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap?  Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Mon Jan 30 13:43:26 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input Message-ID: The only HTML I saw was nbsp; so I took that and a few of the other similar ones out. Let me know if that helps. Matt In reply to the message sent by Mike Fedyk < mfedyk at mikefedyk.com > on Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:53 -0800: There is a bit of html in the plain text portion: Look like crap? Should support HTML and Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.vtigercrm.com/pipermail/vtigercrm-developers/attachments/20060130/93a626fc/attachment-0005.html From jlee at zertis.net Mon Jan 30 14:24:53 2006 From: jlee at zertis.net (Josh Lee) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] new webmail input In-Reply-To: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> References: <43874d4fe8233ebc6592aae7bf4306b1@64.92.214.34> Message-ID: <43DE9235.7070907@zertis.net> Looks Great to me in Thunderbird. Matthew Brichacek wrote: > This email is sent from the new webmail interface... > > Look like crap? Should support HTML and Plain, let me know if you > find any wierd behaviour in your viewer. > > Matt > > > > *In reply to the message sent by Matthew Brichacek < > mmbrich at fosslabs.com > on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:23 -0700: * > >> I posted this to the forums already for user input but of course I'd >> like to hear what the developers think/want added to the new webmails >> interface. >> >> Done: >> Ajax for mail delete/un-delete/flag/mbox refresh. >> List view, detail view, attachments download script >> webmails.php class for easier code re-use >> Quick info view (opens div layer to show attachments / relationships / >> threads) >> >> Todo: >> Finish thread views >> Entity relationship logic >> Search functions >> >> Later todos (after initial check-in) >> Filters >> POP?? >> >> the post with screen shots is @ >> http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?p=19138 >> >> >> Let me know what you think and if there are any obvious features >> missing. I am going to try and get the above things done this weekend >> so it can be checked-in and you can all dive in and start tweaking if >> you want. I've only tested this on courier imap so I suspect there will >> be some work to get this working with all IMAP servers. >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vtigercrm-developers mailing list >> vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >> http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >vtigercrm-developers mailing list >vtigercrm-developers at lists.vtigercrm.com >http://lists.vtigercrm.com/mailman/listinfo/vtigercrm-developers > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As already said in this post : http://forums.vtiger.com/viewtopic.php?t=4607 there's some changes to do : - rename vtiger_crm directory in vtiger-crm - replace "_" by "-" - keep source directory with version (vtiger-crm-4.2.3) - provide tarball archive - provide default parameters in configuration file config.php - hostname auto detectection doesn't work with ipv6 - remove executable flag from files - merge LICENSE and LICENSE_AGGREEMENT to single copyright file Don't know if it's done but for the last point, who's in charge of legal stuff ? ATM the debian copyright file is : -BEGIN---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was downloaded from http://www.vtiger.com Copyright Holder: (c) 2003-2005 vtiger.com License: * Mozilla Public License version 1.1 The MPL can be found at http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ * GNU Public license (GPL) On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' vtiger crm consists of the following components: * Apache software (Apache License) * MySQL server (GPL) * PHP (PHP License 3.0) * SugarCRM (SPL 1.1.2) * phpBB (GPL) * TUTOS (GPL) * phpSysinfo (GPL) * PHPMailer (LGPL) * lastRSS (GPL) * gdwin32 (GPL) * nusoap (LGPL) * ADOdb (BSD license) * FCKeditor (LGPL) * Squirrel Mail (GPL) * Mailfeed (GPL) each one copyrighted under their respective licenses. The complete text concerning the licenses can be found within the package : * Copyright.txt * LICENSE_AGREEMENT.txt * LICENSE.txt -END---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're looking vtiger crm story. cheers, Fathi PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a first use. From kiange at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 12:21:46 2006 From: kiange at gmail.com (Finjon Kiang) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:21:46 +0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > looking vtiger crm story. > > cheers, > > Fathi I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think vtiger crm must be released under GPL. MPL allows you to modify the license as you wish, LGPL allows you to use the software which released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should release your software under GPL. > > PS: a bit on gforge, i've got it installed, need to finish to setup it for a > first use. Great news. :) -- Finjon Kiang From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 13:29:59 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:29:59 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Fathi Boudra wrote: >taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >looking vtiger crm story. > > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but not in the source archive. From mfedyk at mikefedyk.com Tue Jan 31 13:42:23 2006 From: mfedyk at mikefedyk.com (Mike Fedyk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:23 -0800 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> Message-ID: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Finjon Kiang wrote: >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're >>looking vtiger crm story. >> >>cheers, >> >>Fathi >> >> > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php source files. >MPL allows you to modify the >license as you wish, > No. The MPL defines the distinction between license boundaries at the file level. If you want to introduce another license into a MPL licensed project it needs to be in a separate file. >LGPL allows you to use the software which >released under LGPL as a library and choose another license you like. >But under GPL, once your software includes any GPL product, you should >release your software under GPL. > That is not a black and white requirement of the GPL. There are many ways GPL code can be brought into a non-GPL project if the interactions with the GPL code are done in certain ways. I am not claiming that his has been done with vtiger though. I'm not familiar with the code base enough yet. Mike From mmbrich at fosslabs.com Tue Jan 31 15:07:07 2006 From: mmbrich at fosslabs.com (Matthew Brichacek) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD9BF.1020008@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <1138748827.20220.89.camel@ubuntu> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 13:42 -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Finjon Kiang wrote: > > >On 2/1/06, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > > > > >>taken partly from Copyright.txt. It seems (for me) a bit incomprehensible. > >>Some informations are false (feel free to correct me), which part of apache or > >>mysql are in vtiger crm ? I'm not a lawyer but lawyer point of view is > >>needed. Some clarity is requested on this subject, especially when you're > >>looking vtiger crm story. > >> > >>cheers, > >> > >>Fathi > >> > >> > > > >I got the same feeling with you. I'm not a lawyer, too. But I think > >vtiger crm must be released under GPL. > > > This is a real gray area with the GPL and interpreted languages. The > GPL talks about making the source source available for a binary > distribution and it talks about compiling and linking. Where does the > compilation take place? At each location. The PHP bytecode is not > being distributed. Even the binary vtiger dist includes the .php > source files. > Taken from the FSF License FAQ "Licenses NOT Compatible with the GPL" section: Mozilla Public License (MPL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; unlike the X11 license, it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. That is, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the MPL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the MPL for this reason. However, MPL 1.1 has a provision (section 13) that allows a program (or parts of it) to offer a choice of another license as well. If part of a program allows the GNU GPL as an alternate choice, or any other GPL-compatible license as an alternate choice, that part of the program has a GPL-compatible license. Section 13 of the VPL: 13. MULTIPLE-LICENSED CODE. Initial Developer may designate portions of the Covered Code as "Multiple-Licensed". "Multiple-Licensed" means that the Initial Developer permits you to utilize portions of the Covered Code under Your choice of the SPL or the alternative licenses, if any, specified by the Initial Developer in the file described in Exhibit A.This software is Copyright vtiger and Contributors. All rights reserved. This license has been certified as open source. We couldn't put the whole project under GPL even if all the current developers agreed because we don't have any copyrights on the original SPL code it was born from. Rather, we would have to rip out any GPL code since we don't have rights to change the underlying license. Anyways, the version of the MPL that the SPL/VPL are based off of should be fully compatible and allow mixing of code with different licenses. IANAL and such :). Matt From fboudra at free.fr Tue Jan 31 18:26:29 2006 From: fboudra at free.fr (Fathi BOUDRA) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 02:26:29 +0000 Subject: [Vtigercrm-developers] vtiger crm licence and debian package In-Reply-To: <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> References: <200601311849.20299.fboudra@free.fr> <43DFD6D7.2030302@mikefedyk.com> Message-ID: <200602010226.29293.fboudra@free.fr> Talking about vtiger crm 5.x licence, as i understand, it will be released under a LGPL license. > Apache and Mysql are included in the binary distribution of vtiger but > not in the source archive. which binary version of vtiger ? vtiger isn't a binary apps (as you said no comipilation, no linking), it's sources only. when you distribute an open source software, you provide a copyright file that talk about his licensing. There's no direct link between your software and how you package/bundle it. legaly, you need to provide respective licenses of software that you use. In all cases, apache or mysql aren't components of vtiger crm, just components of the easy setup for windows that we provide. Finally, what we need to know about current vtiger crm (and probably next), is what portion of code aren't contribution. who is original author and what license was used in his code. vtiger code and contributions from people to vtiger seems dual-licensed. is it legal ? is MPL compatible with some GPL portion ? i know, this is just an interpretation, but this is the lawyers way, and they play wiith words. cheers, Fathi PS: just a small note about MPL, according to some debian legal people MPL is a non-free license, so SPL and VPL as well.